You know who else elected a relatively charismatic but inexperienced leader renowned for his oratory skills?

bulldg4life: You know who else elected a relatively charismatic but inexperienced leader renowned for his oratory skills?

Ummmmm... every democratic nation in the world, at one time or another, starting with the Ancient Athenians?

And don't bother warning Poland. It didn't do any good the last time, anyway.

Isn't this about the fifth time some variation on this headline has been greened?

Benevolent Misanthrope: bulldg4life: You know who else elected a relatively charismatic but inexperienced leader renowned for his oratory skills?

Ummmmm... every democratic nation in the world, at one time or another, starting with the Ancient Athenians?

And don't bother warning Poland. It didn't do any good the last time, anyway.

Is this why we have polish jokes?

Out of all the European trips I have been on, I think the scariest was when I was caught between a group of Neo nazis and the German special forces police in Munich outside of the main Bier hall. It was in the early 90's.
/everyone was looking for a fight and I never experienced anything like that before

//I had to practically drag my wife out of the square before it went apeshiat

What's a little Lebensraum between friends?

It's a good thing the US is in a strong position to-- oh, wait.

DEAR GOD NOT AGAIN!

/um, I thought Neo Nazi dochebags weren't a new thing really

I wouldn't worry much. European protesters have a knack for beating the fark out of neo nazi scumbags.

So will they blame someone for the hall of records destruction?


/just planting the seeds here...

Time to stock up on Chopin Vodka.

7of7: I wouldn't worry much. European protesters have a knack for beating the fark out of neo nazi scumbags.

There were 15 different European nations that had thousands of people willingly join the Waffen SS. Europeans have a knack for being the Nazis.

PacManDreaming: Europeans have a knack for being the Nazis.

Maybe in the past, but the anti-Nazis are pretty adamant about kicking Nazi ass.

While political extremism incubates best in poor economic conditions, the rise of fascism in Germany seems fairly unique; I don't think we'll see something resembling it ever again.

CayceP: the rise of fascism in Germany seems fairly unique; I don't think we'll see something resembling it ever again.

Never underestimate the predictability and insecurity of stupidity.

NewportBarGuy: Never underestimate the predictability and insecurity of stupidity.

I don't. I'm suggesting the stupidity will take a different form.

Lets switch it up and run with the krauts this time, not like the French have been gratefull for the past 2 times.

If we have to invade again, I say we give Germany to the Jews this time.

Has France surrendered yet?

From an holistic evolutionary standpoint, I'm pretty sure I could make a good case for ethnic purity in non-"immigrant nations" (U.S., Canada, Australia, usw.), but I think even with the most reasoned argument, I'd still be branded a troll.

Are Chinese, Saudis and Nigerians allowed to seek favoritism in their respective countries, creating unique regional identities with people carrying traditional bloodlines of those regions? Then why not the white folk? If diversity makes us strong, then why is the world insisting everybody mix? I never understood why the French weren't allowed to demand the Arab girls take their burqas off. For that matter, why are the Americans telling the Afghanis how to behave?

7of7: PacManDreaming: Europeans have a knack for being the Nazis.

Maybe in the past, but the anti-Nazis are pretty adamant about kicking Nazi ass.

Only problem is the ones who were good at it are all 80 or 90 now. (joking...mostly)



Didn't bother reading the article yet, so this statement may be wrong, but I'm betting it misses the point.

Far-right policies, antisemitism and xenophobia is far, far, far more prevalent in Austria today. Hell, the far right is expected to win 30%+ of the general election vote.

As someone who has lived in the area of german/swiss/austrian convergence and who's parents lived here, we have a little saying about them:

Narrow valleys, narrow minds.

AlwaysRightBoy:

//I had to practically drag my wife out of the square before it went apeshiat

She wanted to stay for a little right-wing group action?

As long as Poland doesn't attack any radio towers in Germany there shouldn't be a problem.

/snark

Leave it to the Democrats to let the Spaniards back in the pantry!

bulldg4life: You know who else elected a relatively charismatic but inexperienced leader renowned for his oratory skills?

Why would you bag on President Washington like that? I know he had no prior experience in government, but I think history will eventually remember him as a fairly good leader.

My friend had his Mercedes in for a service recently.

When it came back, his GPS had stopped talking to him in a polite British voice, and were rather barking out commands in German, by default giving him driving instructions for Krakow.

Something sinister is afoot!

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude:
Didn't bother reading the article yet, so this statement may be wrong, but I'm betting it misses the point.

Far-right policies, antisemitism and xenophobia is far, far, far more prevalent in Austria today. Hell, the far right is expected to win 30%+ of the general election vote.

As someone who has lived in the area of german/swiss/austrian convergence and who's parents lived here, we have a little saying about them:

Narrow valleys, narrow minds.

yeah, your're right. it misses the point.

in italy, for example, the berlusconi government is fingerprinting children based on their ethnicity, but idiots like you scream about a dumbass like strache who basically says 'stop immigration'.

biased much?

come back to talk, when you're better informed.

jiaxiaobo: From an holistic evolutionary standpoint, I'm pretty sure I could make a good case for ethnic purity in non-"immigrant nations" (U.S., Canada, Australia, usw.), but I think even with the most reasoned argument, I'd still be branded a troll.

Are Chinese, Saudis and Nigerians allowed to seek favoritism in their respective countries, creating unique regional identities with people carrying traditional bloodlines of those regions? Then why not the white folk? If diversity makes us strong, then why is the world insisting everybody mix? I never understood why the French weren't allowed to demand the Arab girls take their burqas off. For that matter, why are the Americans telling the Afghanis how to behave?

In principle, I agree. However many W. European nations have started to take on the traits of the settler mentality prevalent in USA/Can/Aus/etc. In nations where the ethnicity is tied to the region typically the urban culture and the rural culture are just two points on a long continuum; in the USA for example, there may be no common culture between a farmer from Utah and an artist from NY. Even in countries like Aus/NZ where a large majority stick to their original British culture (in the sense of knowing what roasted meat is, common love of dairy products, Marmite etc.) , and where urbanites and rural folk will understand ... say meat pies or fish and chips in the same sense/meaning, the city is still "somewhere else" by default.

It may be "too late" (not in the Wharrgarbl sense) to preserve certain ways of doing things, but I agree that traditional cultures must be preserved.

Indian Nazi approves

Germany is in the midst of economic turmoil and job losses are mounting. That can only mean one thing: Nazism is experiencing a resurgence. Someone should warn Poland

This sounds like it could have been a quote from Glenn Beck.

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CayceP: While political extremism incubates best in poor economic conditions, the rise of fascism in Germany seems fairly unique; I don't think we'll see something resembling it ever again.

Pierre-André Taguieff on fascism:

Neither "fascism" nor "racism" will do us the favour of returning in such a way that we can recognise them easily. If vigilance was only a game of recognising something already well-known, then it would only be a question of remembering. Vigilance would be reduced to a social game using reminiscence and identification by recognition, a consoling illusion of an immobile history peopled with events which accord with our expectations or our fears.

Like a cancer where you can never seem to get that last bit of metastatic tumor - it keeps coming back in a new way.

Wasn't Fascism Italy and National Socialists Germany?

--and Garibaldi the Red Shirtts?

zee germans???

Benevolent Misanthrope: bulldg4life: You know who else elected a relatively charismatic but inexperienced leader renowned for his oratory skills?

Ummmmm... every democratic nation in the world, at one time or another, starting with the Ancient Athenians?

And don't bother warning Poland. It didn't do any good the last time, anyway.

Poland has more 'actionary' Neo-Nazis then Germany. FYI.

Many Poles are angry with rich foreigners buying up the land. But they seem to blame rich israelis the most.

Anyway, the Poles have the second highest IQ in Europe according to the London Times. The UK is somewhere around 13th.

/F... It. Polska rocks.

Did NO ONE RTFA? Am I REALLY the first to notice the comedy gold of an unshopped emo Hitler from the article?



/Complete with razor scars
//Hot like, I dunno, an oven of some sort

Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, but at least it's an ethos.

This whole story is a load of farking bullshiat. It comes from the same conservative think tank who wants to outlaw any computer game someone is killed in and generally curtail our freedom of speech wherever possible. And the same "concerned" interior minister fans the flames about "criminal immigrants" and "home-grown terrorism" whenever it suits him. They just need some lame bogeyman for things like censoring the web.
If there's really an increase in Neonazis, why haven't they got any more votes?

/needs irony tag

First like of TFA:

"Roughly one in twenty 15-year-old German males is a member of a neo-Nazi group, a higher proportion than are involved in mainstream politics, according to a newly released study."

Much later in TFA:

"Pfeiffer said fewer than 2 percent of young men were active in mainstream politics, compared to the 5 percent involved in far-right groups."

/Pfft!
//Nevertheless, we should keep an eye on this

They're basing it off a study of 15 year olds? Lemme know when those kids turn 20 or so and we'll see what they think. Until then, I think this could safely be chalked up to retarded teenage rebellion embracing something that's banned/taboo in their country. It's all shock value and attention; I don't think the economic downturn is really squeezing 15 year olds all that hard.

jiaxiaobo: From an holistic evolutionary standpoint, I'm pretty sure I could make a good case for ethnic purity in non-"immigrant nations" (U.S., Canada, Australia, usw.), but I think even with the most reasoned argument, I'd still be branded a troll.

Are Chinese, Saudis and Nigerians allowed to seek favoritism in their respective countries, creating unique regional identities with people carrying traditional bloodlines of those regions? Then why not the white folk? If diversity makes us strong, then why is the world insisting everybody mix? I never understood why the French weren't allowed to demand the Arab girls take their burqas off. For that matter, why are the Americans telling the Afghanis how to behave?

A modern, civilized nation shouldn't enforce favoritism towards any group, native or other. The burqa example would make sense if you were criticizing a country like Saudi Arabia for forcing foreign women to also stay covered up in public, which I think is a reasonable criticism but still ultimately falls under the "when in Rome" idea. However, what the hell does it matter to the french if a woman wants to wear a burqa? Forcing her to take it off would be no better than what Saudi Arabia does, except in the opposite direction.

apistat: However, what the hell does it matter to the french if a woman wants to wear a burqa?

They obviously need to know whether to hit on her or not. We're talking about the FRENCH, here.

Funny thing is that it's the 'German guilt' over having been the aggressors back in the WW2 that's one of the major causes for this rise in neo nazi numbers.

It's almost impossible to say anything critical about any race, religion or minority in Germany without being labeled as a nazi or extremist.
That just means people keep it on the inside - much the same way a pressure-cooker does.

Same thing is happening in Sweden, btw.

/Say what you want about the Muhammed-cartoons, in Denmark people seem less biased towards muslims than before - simply because that showed that muslims weren't untouchable or exempt from criticism.

Fireproof: First like of TFA:

"Roughly one in twenty 15-year-old German males is a member of a neo-Nazi group, a higher proportion than are involved in mainstream politics, according to a newly released study."

Much later in TFA:

"Pfeiffer said fewer than 2 percent of young men were active in mainstream politics, compared to the 5 percent involved in far-right groups."

/Pfft!
//Nevertheless, we should keep an eye on this

Uh, yes, 1 in 20 is 5%. Either you're missing something or I am.

erik-k:

Thanks for the link. I've just glanced through it a bit and it reminds me of Orwell's essay on the uselessness of the phrase. I'm still debating between a conclusion similar to the one you linked and Philip Bobbitt's account of fascism in The Shield of Achilles, where he suggests that the philosophy essentially died when the Axis lost that portion of the 'epochal war'.

Isildur: Fireproof: First like of TFA:

"Roughly one in twenty 15-year-old German males is a member of a neo-Nazi group, a higher proportion than are involved in mainstream politics, according to a newly released study."

Much later in TFA:

"Pfeiffer said fewer than 2 percent of young men were active in mainstream politics, compared to the 5 percent involved in far-right groups."

/Pfft!
//Nevertheless, we should keep an eye on this

Uh, yes, 1 in 20 is 5%. Either you're missing something or I am.

I believe you are. The second reference was intended as reinforcement, I think.

Typical german:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt2JhuXMRMk

I always love how neo-Nazis say that the purity of race and ideology makes them strong, when Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were defeated by the combined armies of a multi-ethnic, multi racial communist and democratic states.

What pisses me off though is when these idiots talk about protecting "white culture." I'm a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Aryan race poster boy, and I'll be farked if tattooing swastikas on my forehead and beating up brown people has anything to do with my heritage.

MacG: It's a good thing the US is in a strong position to-- oh, wait.

Lol.

US in a weak economic position, Fascism gaining strength in Germany, A dictator in Russia and the Japanese making noises about arming.

I swear I have read this script before.

social benthos: I always love how neo-Nazis say that the purity of race and ideology makes them strong, when Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were defeated by the combined armies of a multi-ethnic, multi racial communist and democratic states.

What pisses me off though is when these idiots talk about protecting "white culture." I'm a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Aryan race poster boy, and I'll be farked if tattooing swastikas on my forehead and beating up brown people has anything to do with my heritage.

To play the devils advocate, Germany needed to be ground down by the combined forces of Europe and the US.

And it still took 4 years.

That speaks of a country farking fortified with !

Swampthing in Korea: MacG: It's a good thing the US is in a strong position to-- oh, wait.

Lol.

US in a weak economic position, Fascism gaining strength in Germany, A dictator in Russia and the Japanese making noises about arming.

I swear I have read this script before.

social benthos: I always love how neo-Nazis say that the purity of race and ideology makes them strong, when Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were defeated by the combined armies of a multi-ethnic, multi racial communist and democratic states.

What pisses me off though is when these idiots talk about protecting "white culture." I'm a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Aryan race poster boy, and I'll be farked if tattooing swastikas on my forehead and beating up brown people has anything to do with my heritage.

To play the devils advocate, Germany needed to be ground down by the combined forces of Europe and the US.

And it still took 4 years.

That speaks of a country farking fortified with !

something I mean to say.

Swampthing in Korea: To play the devils advocate, Germany needed to be ground down by the combined forces of Europe and the US.

And it still took 4 years.

That speaks of a country farking fortified with something!

The Wehrmacht was the finest army of its time. Another reason why I cringe anytime I hear someone adoring the US military for its might.