I dunno, HPS is only optimal for the flowering phase, the veg phase requires bluer MH light. Flowering fems are gonna put out signals through vapors that will beg vegetating plants to turn male and mature, so they have to be isolated. Depends on the price of real estate in the area as well.

This is a point rarely discussed in the legalization debate. DEA estimates that every block in the US contains a house with a grow. Because electricity is quite dirty to produce, tons of greenhouse gasses and mercury are being discharged into the environment in order to produce a crop that could readily be produced outdoors.

It's a UFO.

-Troll on duty-


I can see it's going to be another long day...

This is not what a streetlight may look like.

signaljammer: DEA estimates that every block in the US contains a house with a grow

Yeah, the DEA never exaggerates about anything. If that's true, why are drug cartels making billions crossing the border with truckloads of it? There can't be that many potheads in the country.

The Montana DOT says the lights will be put to "good use." I call BS, unless someone in Montana considers filling a landfill "good use".

So much waste in the War on (some) Drugs. From paying the Brownshirts to building the prisons to spraying coca fields to keep the price up. It's called the broken window fallacy for a reason.

It's my right as a sentient being to do whatever I want with my body whether it be smoking a doob or mainling Drano. The Statist farktards don't get that.

moral of the story - many bridge and signage lights that the montana DOT haven't replaced yet are HPS ballasts.

depending on how flexible you are with the term 'donation', this could have a happy ending.

I used to listen to this as a kid before I even knew what weed was.

I agree with you, Maxwell Edison . Freedom means the right to do things that other people might disapprove of, so long as non-volunteers aren't significantly harmed.
DEA estimates that at least 5% of US adults are regular cannabis smokers. I can only use the estimates that the relevant agency provides, I have no means to conduct my own investigation. There are plenty of pot-growing-supply stores where I live, and they seem to be well-patronized.

Mugato:

Because the cops come crashing into homes that regularly consume more than 2KW/bedroom. This means that the individual grows are necessarily small-scale.

As an undercover narcotics officer who finds grow houses by the incriminating comments people post online... I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

halB: As an undercover narcotics officer who finds grow houses by the incriminating comments people post online... I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Ha. If you try to "bust" any of them they'll just throw syringes at you. Be warned: they have an unlimited supply underneath their brown trenchcoats. Better off using the rocket launcher from long range.

eqtworld: No way

This (new window) plus nutrients and random stuff = under $250 for a constant grow yielding more than you could ever smoke is easy..


400w lamps are for pussies and newbies. 1kw lights are far more efficient.

signaljammer: I dunno, HPS is only optimal for the flowering phase, the veg phase requires bluer MH light. Flowering fems are gonna put out signals through vapors that will beg vegetating plants to turn male and mature, so they have to be isolated. Depends on the price of real estate in the area as well.

Hahaha wtf. vapors? make males?! how do you make a sensimilla garden then?? HPS makes plants stretch. Full spectrum MH are far superior. The more light in the UV spectrum off a MH bulb also encourages trichrome growth.

/Lives in the Shuswap (BC)
//Unfathomable amount of grows (indoor and out) around here

thereadlines: halB: As an undercover narcotics officer who finds grow houses by the incriminating comments people post online... I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Ha. If you try to "bust" any of them they'll just throw syringes at you. Be warned: they have an unlimited supply underneath their brown trenchcoats. Better off using the rocket launcher from long range.

Better yet, run them down with your cruiser.

Maxwell Edison: spraying coca fields

I hate to go off on a rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine. You think we have coca eradication programs in Colombia because we're trying to save poor Billy and Sally from the horrors of some white powder going up their nose? If that was the goal we would have invaded and slaughtered Colombians the way we did Iraqis.

The government doesn't fear cocaine, it fears cheap cocaine. You think if the powers that be weren't profiting off of it it would still be illegal? They only officially legalize and tax substances when they see a greater profit and societal control value than they'll get from keeping substances illegal.

The truth nearly bubbled to the surface during the Iran-Contra affair but thankfully, for those in charge, people lack the ability to question and think critically.

Very carefully. Some plants are completely female, and no stresor could turn them male. Some plants are all male, and no stressor will turn them male. Most plants are in between. Some plants are capable of hermaphrodism. These self-pollinating plants are where feminized seeds come from. Its just a fact that attempting to grow veging plants in the vicinity of all-fem sexualized plants isn't going to work very well, as the vegs will produce some male flowers in an attempt to service the mature females. Plants communicate through vapor signals. This is a well-documented botanical fact.
I have been to BC many times, Mr. Appeal-to-Authority. With the possible exception of UBC, I haven't found it to be exactly a hot-bed of science and technology.

//Oh, and, its been proven that
//cannabis doesn't benefit from UV

Maxwell Edison

So, what, you suppose the CIA should be funded by tax money? How are they going to subvert the will of congress that way, zhzeeeeh!

--correction to prior post;--

Some plants are all male, and no stressor will turn them female.

heap: moral of the story - many bridge and signage lights that the montana DOT haven't replaced yet are HPS ballasts.

depending on how flexible you are with the term 'donation', this could have a happy ending.

As long as you have 277/480VAC at your house.......

signaljammer: Very carefully. Some plants are completely female, and no stresor could turn them male. Some plants are all male, and no stressor will turn them male. Most plants are in between. Some plants are capable of hermaphrodism. These self-pollinating plants are where feminized seeds come from. Its just a fact that attempting to grow veging plants in the vicinity of all-fem sexualized plants isn't going to work very well, as the vegs will produce some male flowers in an attempt to service the mature females. Plants communicate through vapor signals. This is a well-documented botanical fact.
I have been to BC many times, Mr. Appeal-to-Authority. With the possible exception of UBC, I haven't found it to be exactly a hot-bed of science and technology.

Well, mostly true. Hermaphrodite plants' seeds will either be feminized or hermaphroditic - IMHO If you're indoors you're better off just taking your chances with normal seeds and dumping the ugly males, keep the best looking boy for pollinating a seed plant, rinse, repeat. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

signaljammer: Very carefully. Some plants are completely female, and no stresor could turn them male. Some plants are all male, and no stressor will turn them male. Most plants are in between. Some plants are capable of hermaphrodism. These self-pollinating plants are where feminized seeds come from. Its just a fact that attempting to grow veging plants in the vicinity of all-fem sexualized plants isn't going to work very well, as the vegs will produce some male flowers in an attempt to service the mature females. Plants communicate through vapor signals. This is a well-documented botanical fact.
I have been to BC many times, Mr. Appeal-to-Authority. With the possible exception of UBC, I haven't found it to be exactly a hot-bed of science and technology.

//Oh, and, its been proven that
//cannabis doesn't benefit from UV

Now here is something you don't see everyday.
POTHEAD FIGHT!
My money is on the long haired one.

signaljammer: Mugato:

Because the cops come crashing into homes that regularly consume more than 2KW/bedroom. This means that the individual grows are necessarily small-scale.


Still, every block? It just seems like hyperbole.

fluorescents from a household scrap yard will do the trick, change the bulbs to a different spectrum for better results if you wish.

Boy, LOGICAL_PSYCHO, I am really embarrassed at how easily I can be riled on this topic. Once I manage to de-couch, I am going to replace all of the magazines in my crappers. Right now, its EDN, High Times, and a variety of glossy travel and nature mags from the SO. From now on, I am going straight porn. I surely don't wanna turn into one of 'those guys.'

Mugato:

I dunno. It seems it would be hard to measure a clandestine activity. This estimate floored me when I first read it, I couldn't believe it. In the local paper, a few years back, it stated that a kid had broken into a home-owner's garage to rip off his grow, but the proprietor caught the fifteen-year-old and beat the crap out of him. The cops told the pair of them that the kid could be prosecuted for burglary, the guy for assault and growing weed. But, if they agreed to just shut up about it, they could both go on their merry way. This was on the block immediately north of mine. We are in an upscale suburban neighborhood. It would seem that we are doing our part!

//They never took the guy's weed or equipment

Montana: where the ruggedly independent raise their ruggedly independent floss on oppressive socialist government land at ruggedly independent discount rents.

/ruggedly independent zircon-encrusted tweezers

actualhuman

Seems feminized seeds are a good bet if one is going to clone. Certainly there is no need to ape macro-grow techniques in the context of a closet or bedroom-scaled garden. I certainly agree with you on that. Maintaining a pollinator is going to require a separate enclosure with its own little light. Some claim that pollen can be stored frozen. Reacquiring seeds for each crop, if one lived in a country that didn't allow OTC seed sales would also be a pain.

//They say that the pollinator you choose should be a squat one. Tall, robust ones can sire butchy plants, I'm told.

LOL @ the basement pharmacists. I've always been amazed by your type. Got massive drive to learn about how to blaze yourselves and not much after that. DUED LIKE HYDROPONICS AT 40 DEGREEZ SPRAY IT WIT URINE AND U GOT DOPEZ CROPZ! SO WUT I DONT HAVE A JOB?! BRAAAAAAAA

mudpants

I used to use that exact same model of lamp.

/used it for starting seedlings
//always expected a raid though, since i had it set up in front of a south-facing window for supplemental natural light
///our house is on a hill, so at night it looked like a beacon -- not exactly subtle

Mugato: Still, every block? It just seems like hyperbole.

I'm not sure why the DEA would go with hyperbole in that situation. Wouldn't the message be "we've been fighting this war for decades and have lost."? If there really were a grow house on every block, then that would clearly be a sign of abject failure.

RealAmericanHero

I know some employed people. Some of whom I am purported to beng related to. The (semi-)sane ones all seem to go on and on about how being a 'cubicle droid' in a cubicle farm is like death. Seems like a borderline OCD behavior to me. You can have it!

//They seem really tired
//most of the time

"BREW & GROW IS COMING
TO WILL COUNTY, IL
IN 2008"

Link (new window)

//recession
//whut?

//darn time-warpin' hippies!

RealAmericanHero: LOL @ the basement pharmacists. I've always been amazed by your type. Got massive drive to learn about how to blaze yourselves and not much after that. DUED LIKE HYDROPONICS AT 40 DEGREEZ SPRAY IT WIT URINE AND U GOT DOPEZ CROPZ! SO WUT I DONT HAVE A JOB?! BRAAAAAAAA

Botany is not pharmacological in nature. You seem to have a plant that grows naturally on our planet confused with chemicals which require complex synthesis. I guess in some places The War on Some Drugs is winning. ;)

God made cannabis. Man made beer. Who do you trust?

I knew a guy who worked at a hospital - Nobody goes to the roof, so he planted them there.

Why he never got busted by constant medical helicoptors passing by, I'll never know.

Oh, sorry, I wasn't looking for the Narc's convention... I thought this would be a thread about that dreaded marijuana plant.

/slowly backs out of thread.

//runs.

If I was to do it, I'd use a tubular skylight:




No higher electric bills, no thermal signature, no scent to be wafted outdoors, no outdoors farm subsceptible to flybys.

I like where this thread is growning

CrispFlows: I knew a guy who worked at a hospital - Nobody goes to the roof, so he planted them there.

Why he never got busted by constant medical helicoptors passing by, I'll never know.

I've worked in many hospitals and I have never seen one with a rooftop helipad (except on tv). Most helipads I've seen are specially painted and illuminated asphalt 100-300 yards from the er entrance

CrispFlows: If I was to do it, I'd use a tubular skylight:

No higher electric bills, no thermal signature, no scent to be wafted outdoors, no outdoors farm subsceptible to flybys.

Was thinking of getting one of these for the dark stairwell in my house anyway.

Came for the dental floss reference...

/Not disappointed...

CrispFlows: If I was to do it, I'd use a tubular skylight:

No higher electric bills, no thermal signature, no scent to be wafted outdoors, no outdoors farm subsceptible to flybys.

What in god's name are you smoking?... oh right.

I've got a couple of skylights in my old house. And they ain't tubular. And let me tell you, while they make a room more pleasant, you certainly could not grow anything in them. The thin sliver of light they give you is not enough. Besides, would you actually be moving your plants with the sun?

Bender The Offender:
I've worked in many hospitals and I have never seen one with a rooftop helipad (except on tv). Most helipads I've seen are specially painted and illuminated asphalt 100-300 yards from the er entrance

My understanding is that more large hospitals are moving the helipads to rooftops as they grow in size and are running out of land for expansion. For example: Duke moved theirs to a rooftop a few years ago.

signaljammer: I dunno, HPS is only optimal for the flowering phase, the veg phase requires bluer MH light. Flowering fems are gonna put out signals through vapors that will beg vegetating plants to turn male and mature, so they have to be isolated. Depends on the price of real estate in the area as well.

this

Also, how the heck can they get any coverage with a fluorescent street light?

thereadlines: halB: As an undercover narcotics officer who finds grow houses by the incriminating comments people post online... I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Ha. If you try to "bust" any of them they'll just throw syringes at you. Be warned: they have an unlimited supply underneath their brown trenchcoats. Better off using the rocket launcher from long range.

Bender The Offender: I've worked in many hospitals and I have never seen one with a rooftop helipad (except on tv). Most helipads I've seen are specially painted and illuminated asphalt 100-300 yards from the er entrance

St. Mary's in Rochester, MN has one on the roof.

@bender the offender. the big hospital in tallahassee has a roof-top pad. the smaller one doesn't have one as far as i know.

jshine: Mugato: Still, every block? It just seems like hyperbole.

I'm not sure why the DEA would go with hyperbole in that situation. Wouldn't the message be "we've been fighting this war for decades and have lost."? If there really were a grow house on every block, then that would clearly be a sign of abject failure.


...because the battle isn't over and you should support the DEA because every block your children walk by has at least one house with people who want to sell them drugs.

/fear

theunionmovie.com

1 in 100 houses in BC are industrial grow ops...

feminized seeds are expensive, just plant normal seeds and cull the males at the start of the flower cycle.

/not that I'd know

LOGICAL_PSYCHO: signaljammer: Very carefully. Some plants are completely female, and no stresor could turn them male. Some plants are all male, and no stressor will turn them male. Most plants are in between. Some plants are capable of hermaphrodism. These self-pollinating plants are where feminized seeds come from. Its just a fact that attempting to grow veging plants in the vicinity of all-fem sexualized plants isn't going to work very well, as the vegs will produce some male flowers in an attempt to service the mature females. Plants communicate through vapor signals. This is a well-documented botanical fact.
I have been to BC many times, Mr. Appeal-to-Authority. With the possible exception of UBC, I haven't found it to be exactly a hot-bed of science and technology.

//Oh, and, its been proven that
//cannabis doesn't benefit from UV

Now here is something you don't see everyday.
POTHEAD FIGHT!
My money is on the long haired one.

You're on! I'll take the one in the tie-dyed T-shirt.