Yes, Obama is now a white guy named Max Baucus.

GOP: I can't believe it's not true!

Blues_X: Yes, Obama is now a white guy named Max Baucus.

Baucus... that sounds like a mooslim name, a secret mooslim name.

Can't fool me, I smart consurvative !!!!

Unfortunately this and the tax for medium/large businesses that don't offer health plans are the only correlated revenue streams I can think of. It's a shame, because even if you are covered it's still quite expensive if there's anything wrong with you at all.

It's a tough decision, but the right one. I think he was wrong to condemn the tax before, though right in condemning the health care credit. I hope he's man enough to swallow his words and make a difficult but correct choice. I'm pretty sure he is.

headline is inaccurate, fascist, and completely idiotic.


So of course it got greenlit.

I can't wait!

Uh, this isn't Obama's idea at all. But yeah, sure, let's go with the trolly headline that has no connection to the article because, well, why the hell not? We haven't had a good flame war for no reason in oh about 12 minutes now. I wonder how many people are going to come in here attacking/defending Obama for something he hasn't done?

GAT_00: I wonder how many people are going to come in here attacking/defending Obama for something he hasn't done?

Um, all of them ?

GAT_00: I wonder how many people are going to come in here attacking/defending Obama for something he hasn't done?

TFA: Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself.


How convenient.

Boring article? Check.
Trolling, misleading headline? Check.
Green light? You betcha!

B. HUSSEIN 0bama, worst president ever. He can't do anything right.

Palin/Jindal 2012

Psychotropic: Palin/Jindal 2012

One can only hope. It's clearly the only way to get America back on track so that the people who were blissful and had no complaints a year ago can once again be happy.

This headline:



Reality:



/hotter than her or hell

Psychotropic: B. HUSSEIN 0bama, worst president ever. He can't do anything right.

Palin/Jindal 2012

somebody who's performed an exorcism and somebody who's undergone an exorcism on youtube...

oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please! oh please!

Who would pay the tax on the benefits -- the individual worker or the company?

KaponoFor3: Who would pay the tax on the benefits -- the individual worker or the company?

The company will either pass it off to the customers or its employers... Companies themselves hardly ever let taxes eat into their profits.

Ryan2065: The company will either pass it off to the customers or its employers... Companies themselves hardly ever let taxes eat into their profits.

Heh, employees... I need caffeine.

Subby failed, this article is talking about Sen. Max Baucus not the President.

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: I wonder how many people are going to come in here attacking/defending Obama for something he hasn't done?

TFA: Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself.


How convenient.

More Obama doubletalk.

A surprise only to the ignorant who never bothered looking into his history.

...and that farking PITA thing defiantly remains in the center.

SilentStrider 2009-03-15 11:47:20 AM
headline is inaccurate, fascist, and completely idiotic.


So of course it got greenlit.

Care to explain how the headline is "fascist?" Inaccurate and thus idiodic yes. "Fascist?" I don't think that word means what you think it does..

Yay, I've started a meme.

Headline is a bit inaccurate though. Obama isn't directly calling for it. Instead "...some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself.

NYZooMan: A surprise only to the ignorant who never bothered looking into his history.

What about the ignorant who didn't RTFA?

SeismicJizzer: Subby failed, this article is talking about Sen. Max Baucus not the President.



WAKE UP...and smell the coffee. Then RTFA

"So far, administration officials have been careful not to endorse the idea, which Obama blasted as a major tax increase last year after Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) made it the centerpiece of his presidential campaign's health plan. But the president hasn't slammed the door on it, either.

This week, White House budget director Peter Orszag said taxing employer benefits was among several ideas that "most firmly should remain on the table." White House economic adviser Jason Furman called for an end to the so-called "employer exclusion" before he joined the administration. Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself.



/OBAMA=Whitehouse...duh
//obama=more tax....duh

Why not just wait the 4 months until a plan for universal healthcare coverage is passed through the legislature and biatch when he signs it then? It seems silly to knock him for something that has been proposed by someone else when the White House has said nothing about the plan one way or the other.

If it ends up being part of a plan that gets widespread congressional support...then Obama will more than likely sign it.

Just makes people seem like tards biatching about it before anything happens.

SilentStrider: headline is inaccurate, fascist, and completely idiotic.


So of course it got greenlit.

Give them time SilentStrider, the slow ones don't catch on as fast.

NYZooMan


Good lord, you're dumb as a bag of hammers.

bulldg4life: when the White House has said nothing about the plan one way or the other.

Once more, with feeling.

"Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself."

Do they want people to drop their coverage?

helix400: Once more, with feeling.

"Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself."

Wow, with rock solid proof like that...I don't see how anyone can deny it.

Netcentric

"Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say". Really? Whom? Ohhhh. they don't say, huh? Well, "Meanwhile, some congressional republicans say they will start to eat babies". OH my god, they are going to start eating babies!!! It says so right here.

Aren't you supposed to be masturbating to Rush Limbaugh excerpts right now?

What the f*ck. I wanted to read an article about how Barack Obama wants to tax my health care. Rickrolled again. F*ck this sh*t.

NYZooMan: More Obama doubletalk.

A surprise only to the ignorant who never bothered looking into his history.

Could be worse, Obama could tax Chinese food

Dancin_In_Anson: TFA: Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself.

So something that someone has said that someone else might do if they do it first is the same as saying "I will do it?" Your view of reality is so twisted, it is actually sprained. You will bend over backwards as long as you can even get close to making a Democrat look bad and will work just as hard to put anything a Repub does in a good light. Try doing something useful for a change instead of throwing bricks from your glass house.

More people should have read the disclaimer on the campaign: "All statements are expedient and subject to change."

So, if I am reading this right:

Your employer provides health care - the company or more likely, the employee will be taxed on the "Value" of this health care - so the government can take the money and give health care to someone else.

Seriously, did I miss something?

So in effect, if your job HAS health care you lose some income, if your job doesnt have health care you will gain health care, supposedly funded by taxing the health care of non-gov't provided health care.

I may be wrong but if I wanted to essentially force companies to stop offering health care and force everyone onto gov't health care this would be a the way to do it. A company not offering benefits like health care could offer a high hourly salary - and its employees would still be covered - being now at an economic disadvantage the company which originally offered health care says "fark it" raises its hourly and drops health care. Very soon few companies offer private health care insurance and the tax dries up, forcing the gov't to go fishing elsewhere for the money. Of course private health care is all but gone now - so we are all together, under the gov't umbrella. Nice.

One thing i really like about Obama is that he keeps his mind open and never believes he has the all knowing answer. there is always a healthy amount of doubt. i wish bush had had the same. bush, for a while, had all the answers and was unwilling to budge/change his mind. i guess because God told him.

OK...you caught me in another flip flop. One I am trying to hide from. But I have to tax more. I spent us into a huge debt with my pen...

Why don't they just take my whole pay check? Book it. done.

PATS0707: Why don't they just take my whole pay check? Book it. done.

Thats pretty much the idea - don't worry the gov't will provide you with everything you need.

helix400: bulldg4life: when the White House has said nothing about the plan one way or the other.

Once more, with feeling.

"Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself."

And your point is...?

Politics necessarily involves compromise, and the structure of American government dictates that the President doesn't always get his way and Congress sometimes plays a role in setting policy (to Dick Cheney's eternal torment). To say that the White House would accept the plan if it were passed by Congress is not at all the same thing as saying that Obama personally supports the plan, or even thinks it's an especially good idea - just that it's not important enough to justify spending political capital fighting against it.

Fizpez: I may be wrong but if I wanted to essentially force companies to stop offering health care and force everyone onto gov't health care this would be a the way to do it.

I'm a fan of taxing it for two reasons:

1) I want people to realize they are getting raises, but that their raises are getting eaten by massive health care costs. Take health care off pre-tax benefits that nobody reads, and put it into their paycheck, then ask the employee to hand back a certain amount for health care. Perhaps this outrage over their money disappearing will help force change sooner.

2) Employer based plans are almost as bad as government sponsored plans. It removes the consumer from the product, and encourages an entitlement society where personal responsibility suffers. If you have a nice employer sponsored health care plan, you go get procedures done not caring how much it actually costs. There's no incentive for the consumer to shop around and no incentive for the provider to offer cheap prices. Get people off employer plans and start forcing them to make their own decisions.

It seems Congressional Democrats (and Obama behind the scenes), want a different reason

3) Tax those making money and getting employer health care, and give it to those who aren't.

netcentric: SeismicJizzer: Subby failed, this article is talking about Sen. Max Baucus not the President.



WAKE UP...and smell the coffee. Then RTFA

"So far, administration officials have been careful not to endorse the idea, which Obama blasted as a major tax increase last year after Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) made it the centerpiece of his presidential campaign's health plan. But the president hasn't slammed the door on it, either.

This week, White House budget director Peter Orszag said taxing employer benefits was among several ideas that "most firmly should remain on the table." White House economic adviser Jason Furman called for an end to the so-called "employer exclusion" before he joined the administration. Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself.



/OBAMA=Whitehouse...duh
//obama=more tax....duh

from TFA you failed to mention.

"Everybody's got to share together in the solution. And this might be one component to sharing," Baucus said in an interview. But "it's early," he said. All the tax proposals will be analyzed before his committee tackles the funding question in May.

Pure speculation rather than a definitive answer.

helix400: "Meanwhile, some congressional Democrats say the White House has signaled that Obama would accept a tax on employer benefits as long as he didn't have to propose it himself."

The White House has, up to now, offered no denials regarding Farker Helix400'S plans to slaughter orphans with a cheese grater.

It is a farking miscarriage of justice that Helix is allowed to walk the streets. When we're all up to our knees in orphan shreds, I will hold Obama personally responsible.

/what? It makes every bit as much sense as the rest of the thread.

BMulligan: And your point is...?

Someone said Obama hadn't taken a stance on it. I replied that we've repeatedly said he probably did.

That was my point.

helix400: Someone said Obama hadn't taken a stance on it. I replied that we've repeatedly said he probably did.

That was my point.

He probably did. Well, that clears things up.

members of the whitehouse have been reported speaking on matters of hamster rape.
one member was quoted as saying "we aren't say we will rape hamsters, we're saying that every 4/15 we will cram a hamster up every tax payers ass"
obama in a move that all but confirms this proposal, has refused to comment.

Well, once more someone left the cage door open and the Liberal Mongoloids escaped and have knuckle-walked themselves into this thread. It's amazing how much shiat lefties will eat for no reason other than it's coming out of a congressional Democrat's ass. If some Republican in congress had dared suggest this, the liberals on Fark would be pounding on their chests, foaming at the mouth and flinging poop at anything that moved.

I know this call for taxing health benefits is all speculation right now, but what if a bill does make it through and Obama signs it? How are Obama supporters gonna spin it to make it sound like it's a good idea?

Stupid Obamamorans are stupid.


/move along

GAT_00: You will bend over backwards as long as you can even get close to making a Democrat look bad and will work just as hard to put anything a Repub does in a good light.

B-b-b-but, Independent !!!