Her "teaching is strictly out of the Bible"

I don't remember the times-table in the Bible. I'm sure it's not in the King James edition. Something in this story doesn't add up.

. They have tested two years above their grade levels, she said.

Yeah, we believe her-let them test outside of her test/grading and let's see

The comments are pretty awesome:

1.lesbians kissing in the halls, 2.constant profanity, 3.strong sexual content, 4.deviant sexual content, 5.hostility to a Christian world view, 6.leftest political agenda, 7.bad science to support left wing religious environmentalism, 8. teachers seducing students, 9. poor test scores, racial hatred expressed.--Just a few reasons why I home schooled my six.

FTA...In an affidavit filed Friday in the divorce case, Thomas Mills stated that he "objected to the children being removed from public school." He said Venessa Mills decided to home school after getting involved with Sound Doctrine church "where all children are home schooled."

Thomas Mills also said he was "concerned about the children's religious-based science curriculum" and that he wants "the children to be exposed to mainstream science, even if they eventually choose to believe creationism over evolution."



It sounds as though the judge based his decision of the legitimate concerns of the children's father.

FTFA:

A judge in Wake County said three Raleigh children need to switch from home school to public school. Judge Ned Mangum is presiding over divorce proceeding of the children's parents, Thomas and Venessa Mills.

So, it's not like the judge decided just to take random homescooled kids out. She wanted them homeschooled to her religious beliefs, he wants them exposed to non-religious ideas.

I think this is a "Yeah Judge" reaction on Fark.

/if the judge had ruled the kids had to be religiously homeschooled, the Asinine and Stupid Tags would have had a jello pool fight

OtherLittleGuy: I think this is a "Yeah Judge" reaction on Fark.

Yay! judge?

Bathia_Mapes: FTA...In an affidavit filed Friday in the divorce case, Thomas Mills stated that he "objected to the children being removed from public school." He said Venessa Mills decided to home school after getting involved with Sound Doctrine church "where all children are home schooled."

Thomas Mills also said he was "concerned about the children's religious-based science curriculum" and that he wants "the children to be exposed to mainstream science, even if they eventually choose to believe creationism over evolution."

It sounds as though the judge based his decision of the legitimate concerns of the children's father.

I bet her adoption of this stuff had something to do with their divorce, too.

OtherLittleGuy: FTFA:

A judge in Wake County said three Raleigh children need to switch from home school to public school. Judge Ned Mangum is presiding over divorce proceeding of the children's parents, Thomas and Venessa Mills.

So, it's not like the judge decided just to take random homescooled kids out. She wanted them homeschooled to her religious beliefs, he wants them exposed to non-religious ideas.

I think this is a "Yeah Judge" reaction on Fark.

/if the judge had ruled the kids had to be religiously homeschooled, the Asinine and Stupid Tags would have had a jello pool fight

I have 5 homeschooled kids. I'm an atheist, my husband is a non-practicing Lutheran.

What does it take to make people see that forcing parents to mainstream their kids is as bad as forcing them to NOT mainstream them?

Familial rights...which in this case are mixed up with the divorce, should be paramount. My children are my responsibility. So is their education my responsibility, and if I choose to HS them as atheists who have a working understanding of evolution, should the religious fundie nutjobs who massively populate the homeschooling community tell me otherwise?

No yay judge. Boo parents.

What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate. (Mark 10:9).

That's strictly out of the Bible too, isn't it?

I hate fundy Godbotherers as much as the next rational person, but I can't help but be bothered by this ruling. IF the kids are tested, in a neutral testing environment, using a state-approved metric, and they test on/above grade level in the mandated areas, then frankly I could care less if her geometry worksheets involve the volume of the Ark and her history lessons only go back to 4004 BC.

We ask schools to enable kids to read, write, do math, and know some basic facts about their world. If someone succeeds in doing that, and in the process continues the Sunday brainwashing through the rest of the week, that's their problem and their kids' problem. We can't be saving everyone from their own stupidity.



Dallymo: What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate. (Mark 10:9).

That's strictly out of the Bible too, isn't it?

Hey, you know what they say: Four out of five divorced Baptists agree -- Gay Marriage degrades the institution of marriage.

dahmers love zombie: I hate fundy Godbotherers as much as the next rational person, but I can't help but be bothered by this ruling. IF the kids are tested, in a neutral testing environment, using a state-approved metric, and they test on/above grade level in the mandated areas, then frankly I could care less if her geometry worksheets involve the volume of the Ark and her history lessons only go back to 4004 BC.

We ask schools to enable kids to read, write, do math, and know some basic facts about their world. If someone succeeds in doing that, and in the process continues the Sunday brainwashing through the rest of the week, that's their problem and their kids' problem. We can't be saving everyone from their own stupidity.



I don't think it's the government's job to "save" everyone. Not from farked up religious thoughts, nor from what some people consider "farked up non-religous" thoughts.

To me, that's the bottom line.

My kids excel at all standardised testing, and all of them (aside from the pre-schoolers) take the standardised tests every year. I'm proud of that. Plus, I'm proud they know SO MUCH MORE than what's on those tests. It's incredible what low standards we have for our children, religious or not.

/yes, I do know I spell "standardise" in the British way

dahmers love zombie: IF the kids are tested, in a neutral testing environment, using a state-approved metric, and they test on/above grade level in the mandated areas, then frankly I could care less if her geometry worksheets involve the volume of the Ark and her history lessons only go back to 4004 BC.

I agree with this.

I have my kids test every year for just this reason, but not because I think it proves anything. State and national tests are a joke.

So she's brainwashing them and they test well?

granolasteak: My kids excel at all standardised testing, and all of them (aside from the pre-schoolers) take the standardised tests every year. I'm proud of that.

granolasteak: I have my kids test every year for just this reason, but not because I think it proves anything.

so you're proud it doesn't prove anything?

I call bullshiat on kids testing above grade level when they've been taught strictly from the Bible. It's probably a miracle the kids aren't borderline retarded being taught straight from that piece of shiat.

If her teaching is strictly biblical there's no way they could score above any grade level ... especially in history or math. I've read various forms of the christian bible and I don't recall seeing a math chapter or a chapter discussing American history.

Two years above grade level is not what I would consider a good return on investment over public schooling.

granolasteak: What does it take to make people see that forcing parents to mainstream their kids is as bad as forcing them to NOT mainstream them?

Shouldn't the father have a say in how his children are educated?

Ryan2065: Shouldn't the father have a say in how his children are educated?

Why should he? They're divorced, the kids live with their mother.

As long as he's up to date with his child support, he gets to see the kids. Now he wants to dictate how they're raised?

I was interested in looking up what kind of books this Church recommended, and man do they have a good system for making some cash.

According to TFA, Sound Doctrine church is a place "where all children are home schooled". To that end, the people who run Sound Doctrine also "operate a Christian bookstore here in town".

So if you want to know what education these kids are probably getting, here you go.

You get wonderful material such as:

Adam's Chart of History
A vintage reproduction of this famous illustrated timeline of earth history first published in 1871. The foldout chart features detailed, full-color drawings of various stages of history, from Adam and Eve to the late 19th century, with handwritten commentary throughout.

Ancient History From Primary Sources
This is a reference book which guides the student on a selective timeline tour through ancient history, outlining the major events and personalities, and noting the primary literary sources from which these things are known. Covers creation to the fall of Rome and the civilizations of the near east and west.

Biology: A Search For Order In Complexity
A classic text originally developed by the Creation Research Society, now updated and available for your student in a full-color edition, beautifully photographed and illustrated. This hardbound text contains a thorough presentation of biological concepts and is scientifically accurate and true to six-day/young earth creationism. Grades 10-12

Eat_At_Milliways: Ryan2065: Shouldn't the father have a say in how his children are educated?

Why should he? They're divorced, the kids live with their mother.

As long as he's up to date with his child support, he gets to see the kids. Now he wants to dictate how they're raised?

If the parent wants to have a say in some of the most important decisions of their child's lives then I say let them. He isn't dictating how they are raised, he just doesn't want them to be educated by the mom and be worse off in the long run from it.

ninjakirby: Biology: A Search For Order In Complexity

yikes

1-1 What is Science?
Science is the study of God's creation. Consequently, the facts of creation can be properly understood only in the light of God's Word.

Megain: ninjakirby: Biology: A Search For Order In Complexity

yikes

Yikes indeed. The last sentence on that page references how we, in the present tense, stand in awe at the Great Pyramids of Egypt (still around), the Taj Mahal (still around), and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon (not around anymore).

I like their idea of science. Of the first six choices listed there is a cookbook and a gardening book. WTF?

Is the Scary tag out practicing Duck and Cover under a school desk somewhere?

Teach kids both religion and science and let them judge which to care most about or whether to (gasp) care about both at the same time. No one has the right to deprive someone of either. Imo.

If this woman wants to fark up her children, she should be allowed to. Religious brainwashing is no worse than child neglect, single parent families, abusive homes, or any other risk that kids face.

My only hope is that, when her kids are totally unprepared for adult life, they are denied government support. Because, as a Good Christian, I'm sure this woman hates welfare moms, shiftless blacks, drug addicts, the disabled, and anyone else who takes advantage of social services. God bless her, but let her spawn starve if their education proves inadequate.

Good. Give those poor kids a chance at a normal life.

Well, if that were true, the women should be in the kitchen, not teaching the children. The bible clearly states that God wants the men to show the Way.

At least that's how I remember it correctly.

/Been 10 years since I cracked open the Babble.

dameron: Two years above grade level is not what I would consider a good return on investment over public schooling.

Especially given the general social skills retardation involved.

Mom? Mom?!? Heh, Mom....Mom! Mommy!

I went to a religious jr. high and high school. I'm now 45, returning to college.

I have an embarrassing level of ignorance in the following topics because of their absence in my education and/or culture, and am doing my best to learn about them to make up for lost time:

Evolution, dinosaurs and fossils
World religions (just finished my philosophy/religion minor)
Athiesm, agnosticism
Humanitarian issues, equality
Teh gheys
Transgendered, intersexed, etc. folks
Reproductive issues
Sex in general
Shakespeare
'70s and '80s music
Any movies before 1982
Left-leaning politics
Any culture outside the US
How the rest of the world sees fundamentalist/evangelicals

This list could go on for a long time.

Test the kids.

If they do truly test at or above grade level, let the mom homeschool them.

If not, send them to public school. Problem solved.

Methinks this wouldn't be an issue if a divorce wasn't involved. People get flat out nasty in order to get what they want in a divorce proceeding.

Judges shouldn't be involved with deciding whether religion is good or bad in the first place. Just test the kids and go from there.

Addendum: I'm no longer a fundamentalist/evangelist. I did the normal "run as far away as possible from that crazy shiat" for 10-15 years, then slowly made my way to a faith that works pretty well for me.

/made the mistake of visiting dad a while back
//never, ever go back to the cult
///for reals

southaustin: Shakespeare

Please discuss moral ambiguities in Julius Caesar.

southaustin: ///for reals

Props.

Right off the bat, I say that the judge is in the wrong. She may say the Bible is her sole curriculum, but that sounds more like rhetoric if she is in fact teaching her kids math and, you know, academic subjects.

/now I'll read the thread
//pro-"judicial activism"

http://www.sdoctrine.org/default.asp?id=7350

Check out Joshua Williams, asst. pastor of sound doctrine. He married his wife without ever having met her before the wedding. And wrote a book about it.

FTA: [The children's father said] that he wants "the children to be exposed to mainstream science, even if they eventually choose to believe creationism over evolution." [...] "I cannot sit back and allow this to happen to other home schoolers. I don't want it happening to my children," [their mother] said.

Life imitates satire.

I had a larger rant typed out, but then a particularly sophisticated pop-up closed all the windows but itself and told me my computer was infected with viruses. (Killed at the process level; I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.) Admins, double-check the adware you allow to load on your site, please. :b

In short:

1) Students subjected to public education in the great state of North Carolina should be home-schooled, because the sheer difference in the amount of attention each student can get from a teacher makes enough difference that every home-schooled child in the state should outperform the public school system in that state by at least one full grade's worth in test scores.

2) The Bible has nothing to do with this; as has been stated above, basic mathematics are not among the Bible's teachings, and those test scores indicate they have learned their basics on that topic. I'm ignoring religious overtones as a straw man propped up by the angry husband, an opportunity siezed by an unscrupulous judge.

3) Judges are limited to ruling on the issues before them. Demanding conditions like this before ruling on which parent gets custody of the children, when the judge's personal beliefs are this blatantly obvious, amounts to soliciting a bribe.

2 years above their grade level
well seeing as "grade level" is low grade moran, 2 years above is pretty nice

how this does NOT violate sep of church and state is beyond me and a waste of taxpayer $
this is a bullshiat divorce case, dragging the kids in of course

I HATE that the kids are getting brain washed, but no diff than any other religious school ...

so as long as they are at or above grade level, who cares?

I don't get why people think Science and Religion are completely incapatable. I know a bunch of Doctors and Biology teachers that are Christian. People get way too huffed up over this stuff.

Megain: granolasteak: My kids excel at all standardised testing, and all of them (aside from the pre-schoolers) take the standardised tests every year. I'm proud of that.

granolasteak: I have my kids test every year for just this reason, but not because I think it proves anything.

so you're proud it doesn't prove anything?

I think the expression goes "Oh SNAP!!" no?

Eat_At_Milliways: Ryan2065: Shouldn't the father have a say in how his children are educated?

Why should he? They're divorced, the kids live with their mother.

As long as he's up to date with his child support, he gets to see the kids. Now he wants to dictate how they're raised?

So the Father has no say at all because they are divorced?

Niali: I had a larger rant typed out, but then a particularly sophisticated pop-up closed all the windows but itself and told me my computer was infected with viruses. (Killed at the process level; I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.) Admins, double-check the adware you allow to load on your site, please. :b

In short:

1) Students subjected to public education in the great state of North Carolina should be home-schooled, because the sheer difference in the amount of attention each student can get from a teacher makes enough difference that every home-schooled child in the state should outperform the public school system in that state by at least one full grade's worth in test scores.

2) The Bible has nothing to do with this; as has been stated above, basic mathematics are not among the Bible's teachings, and those test scores indicate they have learned their basics on that topic. I'm ignoring religious overtones as a straw man propped up by the angry husband, an opportunity siezed by an unscrupulous judge.

3) Judges are limited to ruling on the issues before them. Demanding conditions like this before ruling on which parent gets custody of the children, when the judge's personal beliefs are this blatantly obvious, amounts to soliciting a bribe.



So, then, my judge went like all beep beep boop boop.
I mean really, that's not what my mom said the judge
would say...

Niali: I had a larger rant typed out, but then a particularly sophisticated pop-up closed all the windows but itself and told me my computer was infected with viruses. (Killed at the process level; I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.) Admins, double-check the adware you allow to load on your site, please. :b

In short:

1) Students subjected to public education in the great state of North Carolina should be home-schooled, because the sheer difference in the amount of attention each student can get from a teacher makes enough difference that every home-schooled child in the state should outperform the public school system in that state by at least one full grade's worth in test scores.

2) The Bible has nothing to do with this; as has been stated above, basic mathematics are not among the Bible's teachings, and those test scores indicate they have learned their basics on that topic. I'm ignoring religious overtones as a straw man propped up by the angry husband, an opportunity siezed by an unscrupulous judge.

3) Judges are limited to ruling on the issues before them. Demanding conditions like this before ruling on which parent gets custody of the children, when the judge's personal beliefs are this blatantly obvious, amounts to soliciting a bribe.

yeah.. you should quit looking at porn so much. You won't get those virii ;)

Niali: I had a larger rant typed out, but then a particularly sophisticated pop-up closed all the windows but itself and told me my computer was infected with viruses. (Killed at the process level; I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.) Admins, double-check the adware you allow to load on your site, please. :b

It is the admins of this site who are at fault? LOL.

Hey dumbass, why don't you accept responsibility for what happens on your LAN?

Much ado about nothing.

Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

Ward, weren't you a little hard on the Beaver last night?


/KMG 365

//I gotta get to bed.

///splits...Troll out.

Religious persecution is alive and well. Atheists would rather have children dumbed down in public school and bound for hell. As long as they get their way, huh? The religion of nothingness loves to force itself on others. Hypocrites.

Mija: Religious persecution is alive and well. Atheists would rather have children dumbed down in public school and bound for hell. As long as they get their way, huh? The religion of nothingness loves to force itself on others. Hypocrites.

Wow!

Mija: Religious persecution is alive and well. Atheists would rather have children dumbed down in public school and bound for hell. As long as they get their way, huh? The religion of nothingness loves to force itself on others. Hypocrites.



Some people don't enjoy their time in the public sphere.

Mija: Religious persecution is alive and well. Atheists would rather have children dumbed down in public school and bound for hell. As long as they get their way, huh? The religion of nothingness loves to force itself on others. Hypocrites.

So your position is that the judge is an atheist, and atheism is a religion?

Got any support for that?