you people? That's racist!

FTA: Sen. Mike Crapo

I admit, I giggled.

conservative pundits last week: why is obama using doom and gloom politics of fear!?!? conservative pundits this week: why is obama not sticking to doom and gloom politics of fear?!?

Confronting misgivings, even in his own party, President Barack Obama mounted a stout defense of his blueprint to overhaul the economy Thursday, declaring the national crisis is "not as bad as we think" and his plans will speed recovery.

I can't really take him seriously when one week its the greatest economic crisis to hit us in 50+ years, and then next week it's "not as bad as we think."

President Obama, we thought it was a terrible crisis, one of the worst in our history... because YOU TOLD US THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

So do we believe you now, or do we believe you then? Which one is it?

Morons in the press last week:
"NOTHING IS WORKING IT'S ALL GOING DOWN WHARRRGARBL"

Morons in the press this week:
"NOTHING THE PRESIDENT IS DOING IS WORKING IT'S ALL GOING DOWN WHARRRGARBL"

Obama:
"WTF is wrong with you people?"

KaponoFor3: I can't really take him seriously when one week its the greatest economic crisis to hit us in 50+ years, and then next week it's "not as bad as we think."

President Obama, we thought it was a terrible crisis, one of the worst in our history... because YOU TOLD US THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

So do we believe you now, or do we believe you then? Which one is it?

"A smidgen of good news and suddenly everything is doing great. A little bit of bad news and ooohh , we're down on the dumps," Obama said. "And I am obviously an object of this constantly varying assessment. I am the object in chief of this varying assessment... And my long-term projections are highly optimistic, if we take care of some of these long-term structural problems."

the guy is trying to strike an optimistic tone in the face of all of the criticism that his pessimism is affecting the market. this change of tone has absolutely no effect on the merits of his proposals. it is window dressing - settle down.

KaponoFor3: I can't really take him seriously when one week its the greatest economic crisis to hit us in 50+ years, and then next week it's "not as bad as we think."

How is it those two statements can't be accurate?

thomps: the guy is trying to strike an optimistic tone in the face of all of the criticism that his pessimism is affecting the market.

I understand that, but I hope he realizes that the a substantial reason that there is so much pessimism affecting the market is because of his actions and his words.

Ryan2065: How is it those two statements can't be accurate?

One of them cannot be, unless you think that the nature of the crisis somehow changed drastically from last week to this week. If that's what you or he truly believes, then those two statements can be reconciled.

KaponoFor3: I understand that, but I hope he realizes that the a substantial reason that there is so much pessimism affecting the market is because of his actions and his words.

right, and you, for some reason, have a problem with him addressing that issue. i understand that changing strategies in response to legitimate criticism is not something we are used to seeing out of a president, but give it a chance.

Maybe he's just bipolar. Or tired.

KaponoFor3: One of them cannot be, unless you think that the nature of the crisis somehow changed drastically from last week to this week. If that's what you or he truly believes, then those two statements can be reconciled.

They can easily be reconciled by saying "it is the worst crisis in 50+ years but not as bad as you think" (ie "Nothing in the last 50 years compares to this, but it isn't the end of the world and we will recover, contrary to some peoples beliefs" or something similar).

The statements themselves do not contradict.

I need to find more news stories which could be construed as negative towards Obama and put an inflammatory headline when submitting them so I can get more greenlights.

KaponoFor3: One of them cannot be, unless you think that the nature of the crisis somehow changed drastically from last week to this week. If that's what you or he truly believes, then those two statements can be reconciled.

No, the statements can still be both true with nothing changing. There's nothing about them that contradict each other.

Though the statement "it's not as bad as we think" is self-contradictory, but the idiomatic meaning of it is clearly what we should focus on.

Rephrase them this way:

A) This is the biggest problem and crisis we've had in 50 years.
B) This crisis is solvable and if properly addressed will not go as far many fear.

Do you find those statements contradict each other?

thomps: right, and you, for some reason, have a problem with him addressing that issue.

No, I have no problem with him addressing the issue. I have a problem with inconsistency. He was either telling the truth then or he is telling the truth now, unless you believe the caveat I posted above.

thomps: i understand that changing strategies in response to legitimate criticism is not something we are used to seeing out of a president, but give it a chance.

This isn't "changing strategies". It's telling the American people X one week and not X the next week. Which one is the real story?

The stock market is up, good job Obama!

LibertyFirst: I need to find more news stories which could be construed as negative towards Obama and put an inflammatory headline when submitting them so I can get more greenlights.

only when the PITA is leaning slightly towards "commie," otherwise it's advisable to submit something about glenn beck.

how has he had time to say any of this with his constant bashing of rush limbaugh?

Perhaps he worked on his bedside manner.

KaponoFor3: So do we believe you now, or do we believe you then? Which one is it?

The one that will aid him in passing his budget that is based off of flowery numbers for the next few years. If we are not recovering now then the deficit caused by his budget is going to skyrocket over what he is projecting now. He already got his stim bill passed, now he needs to get his budget passed.

He had to tell the public things were bad so they would understand the need for the stimulus spending. Now it's done he has to get people feeling confident again so we can pull ourselves out of this mess. It is called leadership. I know it was a rare thing during the Bush administration but this is what it looks like.

Never underestimate the audacity of hope an opportunist.

skepticism of our political leaders is not only healthy, it's an essential part of the fabric of this country.

There is no problem in examining the nuances in Obama's words and showing skepticism about his motives and effectiveness.

Unless, of course, you spent the last 8 years making fuc&ing excuses for the most bumbling, error-prone, incompetent president in history. You are the guys who shouted down skepticism with "YOU'RE GIVING COMFORT TO THE ENEMY" and "YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS."

So, for those of you who still can't admit there were no WMDs, but suddenly think you're better able to discern meaning from Obama's use of language than Noam Chomsky, I cordially invite you to go fuc& yourself and to eat a big bag of glass. Fuc& all of you disingenuous turds

KaponoFor3: No, I have no problem with him addressing the issue. I have a problem with inconsistency. He was either telling the truth then or he is telling the truth now, unless you believe the caveat I posted above.

and as i said above, it is window-dressing. nothing in his substantive plans have changed; he's just trying to face the crisis with a smile. and i would agree with I Said that the positions aren't irreconcilable. yes it's a really bad situation, but that doesn't mean he should abandon confidence that it will get better.

I guess Obama doesn't have a massive spending stimulus plan to ram through Congress this week.

Obdicut: Do you find those statements contradict each other?

Fluffy --

No, I don't, but that's not what Obama said. He said, and I quote, that the crisis is "not as bad as we think". This after having heard from his administration and Democrats for the past month that the crisis was SO BAD that we needed IMMEDIATE action (fear fear fear!). Now all of a sudden it's "not as bad as we think?"

A majority of the Americans who thought it was really bad thought so because that's what they've heard from the Obama administration and the Democrats for the last month and a half!

It does seem a little strange that last week the world was coming to an end, but this week everything is just peachy. The stock market is happy, birds are singing and suddenly the disaster is over? Based on what? Based on the fact that the fatcats are getting nervous and they want us all to start consuming again?

LibertyFirst: I need to find more news stories which could be construed as negative towards Obama and put an inflammatory headline when submitting them so I can get more greenlights.

It's surprisingly difficult. I had to scour the net for hours, submit link after link after link, with brilliantly worded, creative, biting headlines, before this got the greenlight.

Haha, just kidding. I was reading this article, had Fark open in anther weindow fell asleep, and apparently my face rolling around on the keyboard managed to get a greenlight.

"Try not to think of her him in terms of right or wrong. Think of her him as a guide."

/not obscure in the least

as much as i respect O for the job he's doing, it's true. he's worse than my ex-gf w/ the horrible mood swings.

KaponoFor3: Fluffy --

No, I don't, but that's not what Obama said. He said, and I quote, that the crisis is "not as bad as we think". This after having heard from his administration and Democrats for the past month that the crisis was SO BAD that we needed IMMEDIATE action (fear fear fear!). Now all of a sudden it's "not as bad as we think?"

A majority of the Americans who thought it was really bad thought so because that's what they've heard from the Obama administration and the Democrats for the last month and a half!

Why are you calling me "Fluffy"?

KaponoFor3: No, I don't, but that's not what Obama said. He said, and I quote, that the crisis is "not as bad as we think".

That's not a whole sentence. Do you think context might be important at all?

Here is the full quote:

"I don't think things are ever as good as they say, or ever as bad as they say," Obama added. "Things two years ago were not as good as we thought because there were a lot of underlying weaknesses in the economy. They're not as bad as we think they are now."

Do you have any problem with that statement?

What a ridiculous bullshiatter he is. How could anyone vote for this ass-turd.


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That is simply what was on the teleprompter this week.

Why do people feel the need to parse the words of the guy they voted for.

If the words need to be parsed, then it's typical sleaze-ball politics as usual.

Well I'm glad we're spending a trillion dollars we don't even have to fix a problem that really isn't that bad.

"I don't think things are ever as good as they say, or ever as bad as they say," Obama added. "Things two years ago were not as good as we thought because there were a lot of underlying weaknesses in the economy. They're not as bad as we think they are now."

Can he just say something, this is nothing but fluff. WTF... It's not bad, but not good either, blah blah blah.

wolvernova: Well I'm glad we're spending a trillion dollars we don't even have to fix a problem that really isn't that bad.

Is the sentence "The problem really isn't that bad" equivalent to the sentence "Things are not as bad as we think they are"?

Lt. Cheese Weasel

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This Obamatron laughed.

wolvernova: Well I'm glad we're spending a trillion dollars we don't even have to fix a problem that really isn't that bad.

Trillion? Where did you get that tiny number from?

and the GOP is attacking the head of the RNC for a misstatement.
The press is all over their fawning of Limbaugh.
Stock market is showing some signs of stabilizing possibly.

No wonder the right wingers are freaking out.

I think the problem people are having is it seems the President may have played up the crisis when they were trying to achieve a political goal of passing a stimulus package as quickly as possible, and now upon realizing the gloomy talk was perhaps undermining market confidence, is now taking a gentler tone.

Obdicut: "I don't think things are ever as good as they say, or ever as bad as they say," Obama added. "Things two years ago were not as good as we thought because there were a lot of underlying weaknesses in the economy. They're not as bad as we think they are now."

Do you have any problem with that statement?


Not until you realize that "we" and "they" are the same person.

KaponoFor3: So do we believe you now, or do we believe you then? Which one is it?

It's BOTH. And do not question your betters, EVER.

Nabb1: I think the problem people are having is it seems the President may have played up the crisis when they were trying to achieve a political goal of passing a stimulus package as quickly as possible, and now upon realizing the gloomy talk was perhaps undermining market confidence, is now taking a gentler tone.


As I've said many times, whenever you hear politicians saying that we have to act NOW to advert crisis of any kind, you should know you're about to get it in the pooper.

Nabb1: I think the problem people are having is it seems the President may have played up the crisis when they were trying to achieve a political goal of passing a stimulus package as quickly as possible, and now upon realizing the gloomy talk was perhaps undermining market confidence, is now taking a gentler tone.

Could you possibly see that as "The president may have strongly asserted that he felt the crisis needed the stimulus package passed as quickly as possible to begin addressing it, and now that that has happened he thinks that we have the foundation to address the crisis?"

Or do you automatically need to assume that he wanted the stimulus package passed as a 'political goal'?

Are you of the opinion no stimulus was needed from the federal government?

Amateur hour continues.

Obdicut: Why are you calling me "Fluffy"?

I just think its a name that fits, do you not like it or something?

Do you have any problem with that statement?

Yes -- who is "they"? The people I hear screaming loudest about how the economy was in a "crisis" was his own administration. "They" are the ones that told the American people during the campaign and have continued to do so during his months of Presidency how horrible things are and how urgent we needed to act.

Nabb1: I think the problem people are having is it seems the President may have played up the crisis when they were trying to achieve a political goal of passing a stimulus package as quickly as possible, and now upon realizing the gloomy talk was perhaps undermining market confidence, is now taking a gentler tone.

It's a straight up manipulation of the American people. I'm not saying I don't understand it from a political strategy standpoint cause I do, I just think its a tad shady.

I mean, the last President got tons of shiat for misleading and manipulating the American public so that he could get them to do what he wanted, and it worked then and it will probably work now. Doesn't make it good in either situation.

Im just reminding you guys that the "fixes" are farking things up worse.