Told you so.

but, but, but...it was a conspiracy......

Scrushy sounds like a made-up name.

real shaman: but, but, but...it was a conspiracy......

Yes, involving career federal prosecutors, jurors and now three US federal judges. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Is there nothing Karl Rove can't do?

Good headline.

So this is the thread where all the 'conservatives' are hanging out, huh?

Looks like a nice, safe thread for you. You should be comfortable in here.

Yes, Rove wields sooooooo much power now.

Obdicut: Looks like a nice, safe thread for you. You should be comfortable in here.

We're having tea at 2:00. You're welcome back.

From the story just below:
Across the street from the home, several dozen people cheered as a sheet-covered stretcher was removed from the house.

more interesting

lunchinlewis: Yes, Rove wields sooooooo much power now.

Obdicut: Looks like a nice, safe thread for you. You should be comfortable in here.

We're having tea at 2:00. You're welcome back.

Tea? I take brainzzzzzz at 2, sir.

And for our resident lefties: allegiance to Karl Rove has elongated my shwantz 2 inches, and girthizeded it an inch further as well (for a grand total of 4 by 2). Truth.

Shryke: lunchinlewis: Yes, Rove wields sooooooo much power now.

Obdicut: Looks like a nice, safe thread for you. You should be comfortable in here.

We're having tea at 2:00. You're welcome back.

Tea? I take brainzzzzzz at 2, sir.

And for our resident lefties: allegiance to Karl Rove has elongated my shwantz 2 inches, and girthizeded it an inch further as well (for a grand total of 4 by 2). Truth.

I'm sorry, are you saying Karl Rove gives you a chubby?

Not judging, but you can probably do better.

Hang On Voltaire: real shaman: but, but, but...it was a conspiracy......

Yes, involving career federal prosecutors, jurors and now three US federal judges. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Hey farkhead maybe your partisan eyes were blinded to it but Gonzalez/Rove masterminded a real conspiracy to put only openly Republican (not just conservative) candidates into career DOJ positions.

I know your pathetic mind can't comprehend the immense failure and embarrassment of the GWB administration, but Siegelman's case was never more than an anecdote of the immense corruption of Karl Rove.

In conclusion, as usual, go fark yourself.

Miles D Davis Jr.:

Hey farkhead maybe your partisan eyes were blinded to it but Gonzalez/Rove masterminded a real conspiracy to put only openly Republican (not just conservative) candidates into career DOJ positions.

You mean the conspiracy masterminded by 25 year old Monica Goodling that she said did not exist?

I know your pathetic mind can't comprehend the immense failure and embarrassment of the GWB administration, but Siegelman's case was never more than an anecdote of the immense corruption of Karl Rove.

In conclusion, as usual, go fark yourself.

An anecdote that was rejected by the federal appeals court. You lose. Good Day sir.

tallguywithglasseson: Scrushy sounds like a made-up name.

May Richard Scrushy burn in hell for all eternity. I lost a metric assload of money on HRC stock thanks to his book cooking escapades.

Who's Karl Rove? Oh yeah, yesterdays Democrat Boogieman....feh

Hang On Voltaire: An anecdote that was rejected by the federal appeals court. You lose. Good Day sir.

Goddammit, V. Why would you end the fun so early? Couldn't you string him a long a bit?

Hang On Voltaire: real shaman: but, but, but...it was a conspiracy......

Yes, involving career federal prosecutors, jurors and now three US federal judges. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

"Wake up sheeple"? Come on, you're smarter than that.

So lets see the "logic" here. If the charges are made to stick, its prosecution wasn't politically motivated or orchestrated from the White House. Is that it?

Um, okay.

Tsunami Ditka:

"Wake up sheeple"? Come on, you're smarter than that.

It was sarcasm.

/I know it is hard to pick up in writing

bartink: So lets see the "logic" here. If the charges are made to stick, its prosecution wasn't politically motivated or orchestrated from the White House. Is that it?

Um, okay.

as opposed to the logic that Karl Rove directed the prosecution of Siegelman to career federal prosecutors, a federal judge, a jury and a federal appeals court all without leaving one single bit of evidence that he was involved.

How's that Permanent Republican Majority?

DoucheFail!

Hang On Voltaire: Tsunami Ditka:

"Wake up sheeple"? Come on, you're smarter than that.

It was sarcasm.

/I know it is hard to pick up in writing

Glad to hear. My mistake.

Hang On Voltaire: as opposed to the logic that Karl Rove directed the prosecution of Siegelman to career federal prosecutors, a federal judge, a jury and a federal appeals court all without leaving one single bit of evidence that he was involved.

Nicely done twofer: False choice straw man. Impressive.

You also jumped to conclusions, as I presented no argument, simply mocked your pathetic attempt at one.

You can order a political prosecution that finds that someone, in fact, broke the law. If you can't, what good does it do?

bartink:
Nicely done twofer: False choice straw man. Impressive.

You also jumped to conclusions, as I presented no argument, simply mocked your pathetic attempt at one.

You can order a political prosecution that finds that someone, in fact, broke the law. If you can't, what good does it do?

you can apparently also accuse someone of committing a political prosecution without any evidence

Unsurprisingly, the three judge panel comprised three Republican appointees (one by Reagan, two by Ford).

Siegelman's appeal for the full court to look over the case probably won't help him - Clinton's appointees are outnumbered 2:1 by Republican judges.

Hang On Voltaire: bartink:
Nicely done twofer: False choice straw man. Impressive.

You also jumped to conclusions, as I presented no argument, simply mocked your pathetic attempt at one.

You can order a political prosecution that finds that someone, in fact, broke the law. If you can't, what good does it do?

you can apparently also accuse someone of committing a political prosecution without any evidence

Actually, there was enough evidence that is being looked into. Soon enough we will know more.

I would like more details on what happened with this? What charges were dropped and kept?

Hang On Voltaire: you can apparently also accuse someone of committing a political prosecution without any evidence

You being terrifyingly ignorant is not synonymous with "no evidence."

I kind of miss the good ole days, when we had someone competent like Rove to run the country.

Cat Food Sandwiches: I kind of miss the good ole days, when we had someone competent like Rove to run the country.

I love where his leadership took us.

Cat Food Sandwiches: I kind of miss the good ole days, when we had someone competent like Rove to run the country.

At least we have what he left us to build on.

PascalsGhost:

Actually, there was enough evidence that is being looked into. Soon enough we will know more.

What evidence are you referring to....specifically?

I would like more details on what happened with this? What charges were dropped and kept?

Here is the opinion (new window)

Obdicut: So this is the thread where all the 'conservatives' are hanging out, huh?

Looks like a nice, safe thread for you. You should be comfortable in here.

Aww . . . lib butthurt.
See how that works?

Hang On Voltaire: PascalsGhost:

Actually, there was enough evidence that is being looked into. Soon enough we will know more.

What evidence are you referring to....specifically?

There is no need for us to get into this, as there is no way we will agree, but soon enough we can find out who said what and what was fact.

I would like more details on what happened with this? What charges were dropped and kept?

Here is the opinion (new window)

Thanks, but I was hoping ofr a quick what was dropped article. i've read the enitre thing before.


I have no doubt Siegleman is corrupt, but I also have very few doubts he was treated differently and attacked for politics. Not that that doesn't happen all the time.

PascalsGhost:

Thanks, but I was hoping ofr a quick what was dropped article. i've read the enitre thing before.

CNN says racketeering and extortion
(new window)

I have no doubt Siegleman is corrupt, but I also have very few doubts he was treated differently and attacked for politics. Not that that doesn't happen all the time.

Again, I ask what evidence you have....specifically

Hang On Voltaire: Here is the opinion (new window)

Basically the verdict says, "Who are we to overturn the decision of the jury?"

As far as "no evidence":

A longtime Republican lawyer in Alabama swears she heard a top G.O.P. operative in the state say that Rove "had spoken with the Department of Justice" about "pursuing" Siegelman, with help from two of Alabama's U.S. attorneys.
...

According to Simpson's statement, William Canary, a senior G.O.P. political operative and Riley adviser who was on the conference call, said "not to worry about Don Siegelman" because "'his girls' would take care of" the governor. Canary then made clear that "his girls" was a reference to his wife, Leura Canary, the U.S. attorney for the Middle District of Alabama, and Alice Martin, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Alabama.

Canary reassured others on the conference call - who also included Riley's son, Rob, and Terry Butts, another Riley lawyer and former justice of the Alabama supreme court - that he had the help of a powerful pal in Washington. Canary said "not to worry - that he had already gotten it worked out with Karl and Karl had spoken with the Department of Justice and the Department of Justice was already pursuing Don Siegelman," the Simpson affidavit says. Both U.S. attorney offices subsequently indicted Siegelman on a variety of charges, although Leura Canary recused herself from dealing with the case in May 2002. A federal judge dismissed the Northern District case before it could be tried, but Siegelman was convicted in the Middle District on bribery and conspiracy charges last June.

Now everyone supposedly on the call denies the allegations. But there are, in fact, allegations of someone who claims to have participated in the conference call and therefore is what is known as a "witness". The witness is a Republican whose career is clearly not advanced by these allegations. Quite plainly, she is ending her political career with these allegations.

This is not "no evidence" as you stated.

Hang On Voltaire: PascalsGhost: I have no doubt Siegleman is corrupt, but I also have very few doubts he was treated differently and attacked for politics. Not that that doesn't happen all the time.


HOV, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Siegleman an Auburn grad?

Hang On Voltaire: PascalsGhost:

Thanks, but I was hoping ofr a quick what was dropped article. i've read the enitre thing before.

CNN says racketeering and extortion
(new window)

HuH? I gotta go back and read the whole thing again, cause I can't for the life of me imagine how those could be dropped without the others. I'm not understanding something...

I have no doubt Siegleman is corrupt, but I also have very few doubts he was treated differently and attacked for politics. Not that that doesn't happen all the time.

Again, I ask what evidence you have....specifically

All the evidence that is out there for a year now that I believe and you don't. Why go into it to argue?

Except Dana Simpson. I don't buy half her shiat.

Cat Food Sandwiches: Hang On Voltaire: PascalsGhost: I have no doubt Siegleman is corrupt, but I also have very few doubts he was treated differently and attacked for politics. Not that that doesn't happen all the time.


HOV, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Siegleman an Auburn grad?

'bama and Oxford, IIRC

Kit Carson: Aww . . . lib butthurt.
See how that works?

What am I butthurt about, exactly?

PascalsGhost:
HuH? I gotta go back and read the whole thing again, cause I can't for the life of me imagine how those could be dropped without the others. I'm not understanding something...

Scratch that. I misread it. Those were the charges dismissed in 2006

All the evidence that is out there for a year now that I believe and you don't. Why go into it to argue?

(Sigh). That is why I said specifically. Don't be a coward.

Except Dana Simpson. I don't buy half her shiat.

Do you mean Jill Simpson?

PascalsGhost: HOV, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Siegleman an Auburn grad?

'bama and Oxford, IIRC

So it probably wasn't politically motivated.

PascalsGhost:

HOV, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Siegleman an Auburn grad?

'bama and Oxford, IIRC


Bama and Georgetown for Law. But he did attend Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. He was SGA President and a member of DKE at Bama (about as inside as you can get)

Cat Food Sandwiches:

So it probably wasn't politically motivated.

HA!! Well maybe. He was preceded by an Allbarn grad (Fob James)

Hang On Voltaire: PascalsGhost:
HuH? I gotta go back and read the whole thing again, cause I can't for the life of me imagine how those could be dropped without the others. I'm not understanding something...

Scratch that. I misread it. Those were the charges dismissed in 2006

All the evidence that is out there for a year now that I believe and you don't. Why go into it to argue?

(Sigh). That is why I said specifically. Don't be a coward.

LOL, not being a coward. Not in the mood today to argue something I know we will not agree on. I submit. We will find out soon enough.

Except Dana Simpson. I don't buy half her shiat.

Do you mean Jill Simpson?

I mean Dana jill Simpson.



Cat Food Sandwiches: PascalsGhost: HOV, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Siegleman an Auburn grad?

'bama and Oxford, IIRC

So it probably wasn't politically motivated.

I can't believe I'm getting drawn into this, but what the Hell does that have to do with it being politically motivated or not?

Lt. Cheese Weasel: tallguywithglasseson: Scrushy sounds like a made-up name.

May Richard Scrushy burn in hell for all eternity. I lost a metric assload of money on HRC stock thanks to his book cooking escapades.

I read that as "cook booking escapades", and for a moment was trying to figure out how the hell the guy swindled people out of money with cook books. Like, did the recipes not work?

Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I guess, what do you expect from a guy with a name like Scrushy? The least his parents could have done was to give him a funny first name to go along with it.

/sounds like he's getting what's coming to him though

I can't believe I'm getting drawn into this, but what the Hell does that have to do with it being politically motivated or not?

You've never lived in BAMA, have you?

I actually worked with Don Siegelman some in the mid nineties when he was Lt. Gov and I was working for Governor James. I knew his chief aid, Nick Bailey, fairly well and hung out at bars with him. Bailey was the one who testified against Siegelman. Nick's nickname was The Shadow since everywhere Don went Nick was with him. I think Nick even went on vacation with the Siegelman's. Don's reputation in Montgomery was very corrupt but, of course, around there that wasn't anything new.

PascalsGhost:

LOL, not being a coward. Not in the mood today to argue something I know we will not agree on. I submit. We will find out soon enough.

Yes you are being a coward. You know there is no evidence out there but you will not admit it. The only thing is rumor and Jill Simpson's statements. I love that Karl Rove would trust such a sensitive mission to a woman who's experience in the Bush campaign was putting up yard signs.

I can't believe I'm getting drawn into this, but what the Hell does that have to do with it being politically motivated or not?

Alabama vs. Auburn

Cat Food Sandwiches: I can't believe I'm getting drawn into this, but what the Hell does that have to do with it being politically motivated or not?

You've never lived in BAMA, have you?

Sweet Jesus no. I understand the loyalty and rivalry those who went to Alabama and Auburn have. Outside, of 'bama, we tend to think its funny, since they are both just Universities in 'bama.

PascalsGhost: Cat Food Sandwiches: I can't believe I'm getting drawn into this, but what the Hell does that have to do with it being politically motivated or not?

You've never lived in BAMA, have you?

Sweet Jesus no. I understand the loyalty and rivalry those who went to Alabama and Auburn have. Outside, of 'bama, we tend to think its funny, since they are both just Universities in 'bama.

Just to clarify, my tongue was planted firmly in my cheek.