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(Starpulse) Unlikely Jay-Z says hip-hop has improved race relations in America and that "white kids who idolize him and Snoop Dogg don't become racists". Fails to mention what they do become, which is fans of terrible "music"   (starpulse.com) divider line 54
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LyriCa1z [TotalFark] 2009-03-12 10:04:57 AM  
Yes, they do become racists, moran. I have been called a "white cracker" by these young brainwashed youths before. Just because they aren't racist against black people doesn't mean they don't become racists. They also become dumbass mysogonistic idiots whos chances at a meaningful future are nonexistant.

 
Jester Arm 2009-03-12 10:07:07 AM  
www.ninjadude.com


What white kids who love Jay-Z and Snoop Dogg may look like.

 
CrankMyBlueSax 2009-03-12 11:08:33 AM  
To keep black kids from becoming racist they should idolize .....

www.librarising.com

The asian kids shall idolize .....

www.tvscoop.tv

and we'll all have a Merry Farking Christmas.

/Idiots

 
BobtheFascist 2009-03-12 11:21:44 AM  
Uh, yeah. Hit the suburbs & trailer parks of middle America. You'll find plenty of white kids listening to gangsat rap & dropping N-bombs. And not in a term of endearment kind of way either.

 
Dr.Knockboots [TotalFark] 2009-03-12 11:51:55 AM  
I'd like to point out any "X Games" or Extreme Sports video/movie where in it, they play a ton of good rap and good rock. There are a lot of white kids into those sports, and music is something that brings people together.
My good friend has a 10year old son who is into X Games stuff. Due to that he listens to the soundtracks on the games he plays, and hears the music on the videos he watches. He has since made friends with some black kids at school over the music he had on his iPod.

Think of it as a Tony Hawk video game soundtrack:

Ramones - "Blitzkrieg Bop" *
Red Hot Chili Peppers - "Fight Like a Brave" *
KRS-One - "Hush"
Motörhead - "Ace of Spades"
Rollins Band - "What's the Matter Man"
House Of Pain - "I'm a Swing It" *
Xzibit - "Paparazzi" *
Ozomatli - "Cut Chemist Suite" *
Alien Ant Farm - "Wish" *
Redman - "Let's Get Dirty" *
Del Tha Funkee Homosapien - "If You Must" *
AFI - "The Boy Who Destroyed the World"
Reverend Horton Heat - "I Can't Surf"
The Adolescents - "Amoeba"
CKY - "96 Quite Bitter Beings"
Zebrahead - "Check" *
Guttermouth - "I'm Destroying the World" *
The Nextmen - "Amongst the Madness"
Bodyjar - "Not the Same"
Mad Capsule Markets - "Pulse"

I think it's more than just the biggest names is Rap that get and keep fans, it's a ton of cross promotion. Also, Hip-Hop as a community (rap being a part of the community) is the single biggest influence in entertainment and fashion today.

Look at the Sirius station 'Faction' for more proof on music.

 
Gunny Highway 2009-03-12 12:30:40 PM  
LyriCa1z: Yes, they do become racists, moran. I have been called a "white cracker" by these young brainwashed youths before. Just because they aren't racist against black people doesn't mean they don't become racists. They also become dumbass mysogonistic idiots whos chances at a meaningful future are nonexistant.

Way to lump everyone in to one big group.

Are you taking notes kids? If you listen to rap you will have a nonexistent future. So turn up that classic rock and embrace it.

 
wee beastie 2009-03-12 12:34:59 PM  
Gunny Highway: LyriCa1z: Yes, they do become racists, moran. I have been called a "white cracker" by these young brainwashed youths before. Just because they aren't racist against black people doesn't mean they don't become racists. They also become dumbass mysogonistic idiots whos chances at a meaningful future are nonexistant.

Way to lump everyone in to one big group.

Are you taking notes kids? If you listen to rap you will have a nonexistent future. So turn up that classic rock and embrace it.


Play some Skynyrd!!!!

 
Gunny Highway 2009-03-12 12:41:05 PM  
wee beastie: Play some Skynyrd!!!!

Ask and ye shall receive. Rock. (new window)

 
factoryconnection 2009-03-12 12:54:40 PM  
Good trolling headline... something to rile everyone. Maybe Jay is right in general, but I know plenty of people that hate other races while still being big fans of hip hop.

 
Hollywood Cole [TotalFark] 2009-03-12 01:07:47 PM  
Gunny Highway: Are you taking notes kids? If you listen to rap you will have a nonexistent future. So turn up that classic rock and embrace it.

Yeah but I have never heard of doing a a drive by because that is what JOURNEY would do and they "keeps it real."

 
Gunny Highway 2009-03-12 01:12:15 PM  
Hollywood Cole: Yeah but I have never heard of doing a a drive by because that is what JOURNEY would do and they "keeps it real."

Those kids dont shoot people because of rap. That is like saying all metal heads love fist fighting and worshiping Satan.

 
Necrosis 2009-03-12 01:17:16 PM  
Rap isn't music! What a clever headline!

 
bhcompy 2009-03-12 01:19:29 PM  
Gunny Highway: Hollywood Cole: Yeah but I have never heard of doing a a drive by because that is what JOURNEY would do and they "keeps it real."

Those kids dont shoot people because of rap. That is like saying all metal heads love fist fighting and worshiping Satan.


The problem is that some of the rap condones or romanticizes that activity. Which is the same with some kind of metal. But driveby shooting and sacrificing a goat are two different things.

 
bhcompy 2009-03-12 01:20:55 PM  
bhcompy: Gunny Highway: Hollywood Cole: Yeah but I have never heard of doing a a drive by because that is what JOURNEY would do and they "keeps it real."

Those kids dont shoot people because of rap. That is like saying all metal heads love fist fighting and worshiping Satan.

The problem is that some of the rap condones or romanticizes that activity. Which is the same with some kind of metal. But driveby shooting and sacrificing a goat are two different things.


To clarify, I have no problem with rap. I'll listen to old school all day long, but I don't think you can compare some of the things said in the different genres you mentioned because some things being discussed are inherently worse than others.

 
carmody 2009-03-12 01:21:16 PM  
Jay-Z kicks ass.

 
Gunny Highway 2009-03-12 01:27:13 PM  
bhcompy: To clarify, I have no problem with rap. I'll listen to old school all day long, but I don't think you can compare some of the things said in the different genres you mentioned because some things being discussed are inherently worse than others.

Ok sure. Im just saying those people arent shooting each other over rap music. They are shooting each other because of gang related stuff, stupid arguments, or stupidity. They just happen to listen to rap.

I also like rap. Dont listen to it all that often but I can tolerate most stuff for a while.

/De La Soul inspired nothing but good times.

 
LewDux 2009-03-12 01:38:27 PM  
Dr.Knockboots: I'd like to point out any "X Games" or Extreme Sports video/movie where in it, they play a ton of good rap and good rock. There are a lot of white kids into those sports, and music is something that brings people together.
My good friend has a 10year old son who is into X Games stuff. Due to that he listens to the soundtracks on the games he plays, and hears the music on the videos he watches. He has since made friends with some black kids at school over the music he had on his iPod.

Think of it as a Tony Hawk video game soundtrack:

Ramones - "Blitzkrieg Bop" *
Red Hot Chili Peppers - "Fight Like a Brave" *
KRS-One - "Hush"
Motörhead - "Ace of Spades"
Rollins Band - "What's the Matter Man"
House Of Pain - "I'm a Swing It" *
Xzibit - "Paparazzi" *
Ozomatli - "Cut Chemist Suite" *
Alien Ant Farm - "Wish" *
Redman - "Let's Get Dirty" *
Del Tha Funkee Homosapien - "If You Must" *
AFI - "The Boy Who Destroyed the World"
Reverend Horton Heat - "I Can't Surf"
The Adolescents - "Amoeba"
CKY - "96 Quite Bitter Beings"
Zebrahead - "Check" *
Guttermouth - "I'm Destroying the World" *
The Nextmen - "Amongst the Madness"
Bodyjar - "Not the Same"
Mad Capsule Markets - "Pulse"

I think it's more than just the biggest names is Rap that get and keep fans, it's a ton of cross promotion. Also, Hip-Hop as a community (rap being a part of the community) is the single biggest influence in entertainment and fashion today.

Look at the Sirius station 'Faction' for more proof on music.


RAP IS CRAP LOL!!!!!11

 
Jonathan Hohensee 2009-03-12 01:40:37 PM  
I'm glad to see so many old people in this thread have found away to speak out against those scary urban youths who hang out around their 7-11s without fearing retribution.

Necrosis: Rap isn't music! What a clever headline!

Hey, I think that "Rap" is missing a "c" for "crap!" Get it? LOL!

 
Jksim2008 2009-03-12 01:41:37 PM  
Jay is an idiot. White people steal and appropiate black music because we are the best at it. It has nothing to do with being tolerant.

 
Marshmallow Jones 2009-03-12 01:43:46 PM  
They don't become racists, they become wiggers, which is a travesty far worse.

/likes pointing and laughing at wiggers

 
Bhasayate [TotalFark] 2009-03-12 01:46:09 PM  
carmody: Jay-Z kickssucks ass.

fixed

Jay Z fails to note that white racists are, quite often, subject to cognitive dissonance. That is, they can, somehow "think all blacks are stupid (or whatever)" and then also make exceptions for certain of them.

For instance, many will be willing to have sex with Naomi Campbell or Tyra Banks but will still say "all black people are stoopid." OR, they'll say, "Yeah, I hate blacks, but Jimi Hendrix RAWKS!!!"

So, yeah, white racists can like your music and still hate the black people.


/Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say
But nothin comes out when they move they lips
Just a buncha gibberish
And muthafarkas act like they forgot about Dre

 
sadchild 2009-03-12 01:47:58 PM  
Another winner of BET's Best Male Hip-Hop Artist award, Jay-Z, is up next to bless the microphone, literally. He claims to be God, referring to himself as "Hova," short for "J-Hova," which is an amalgamation of "Jay-Z" and "Jehovah." "Hova" shares that "He" is "dipping different rovers" (having sex with multiple partners) and "whipping with the soda" (making crack cocaine). Although these are not the activities one would normally expect of a deity, who are we to question "His" plan?

Link (new window)

 
SmokeyMcCrackPipe 2009-03-12 01:54:10 PM  
Bah, we even have a black president now. The new black is Muslim!

 
ScreamingInDigital 2009-03-12 02:18:52 PM  
Gunny Highway: Are you taking notes kids? If you listen to rap you will have a nonexistent future. So turn up that classic rock and embrace it.

Is that "Freedom Rock"? Turn it up man!

 
CrankMyBlueSax 2009-03-12 02:32:35 PM  
Marshmallow Jones: They don't become racists, they become wiggers, which is a travesty far worse.

/likes pointing and laughing at wiggers


www.stltoday.com

What chu lookin' at?

 
Rapmaster2000 2009-03-12 02:43:43 PM  
I don't listen to that CRAP music what with their jungle boogie woogie and their pants hanging down all low up there on the MVT singing that "grab jab baby... WANNA STICK IT IN YA."

 
Marla Singer's Laundry [TotalFark] 2009-03-12 02:57:40 PM  
Jksim2008: Jay is an idiot. White people steal and appropiate black music because we are the best at it.

Uh, yeah, sure. 'Cause, Bach was black.

 
vonster 2009-03-12 03:08:06 PM  
"white kids who idolize him and Snoop Dogg don't become racists"

But black kids who idolize him and Snoop Dogg do.

 
FreeLoveFreeway 2009-03-12 03:23:06 PM  
When people say "wigger" they mean "Race traitor".

 
MikoSquiz 2009-03-12 03:34:15 PM  
Oh, shush. Snoop Dogg is great. Willie Nelson's a fan.

Jay-Z not so much.

 
Jonathan Hohensee 2009-03-12 03:37:09 PM  
FreeLoveFreeway: When people say "wigger" they mean "Race traitor".

THIS.
God forbid racial cultures mix! White kids can't find an ethnic identity to relate with different from their own!

 
Gunny Highway 2009-03-12 03:40:50 PM  
MikoSquiz: Oh, shush. Snoop Dogg is great. Willie Nelson's a fan.

Jay-Z not so much.


Big L and Jay Z (NSFW)

Great shiat. If you dont enjoy it, then you dont like rap, and thats okay.

 
MetalSwanson 2009-03-12 03:41:42 PM  
Subby realizes there is such a thing as GOOD rap/hip-hop, right?

 
mandingueiro 2009-03-12 04:18:51 PM  
LyriCa1z: Yes, they do become racists, moran. I have been called a "white cracker" by these young brainwashed youths before. Just because they aren't racist against black people doesn't mean they don't become racists. They also become dumbass mysogonistic idiots whos chances at a meaningful future are nonexistant.

they become bigots. Racism involves denying access to institutional benefits that the dominant group enjoys. Reverse racism is a misnomer.

 
devilskware 2009-03-12 04:33:19 PM  
Jonathan Hohensee: FreeLoveFreeway: When people say "wigger" they mean "Race traitor".

THIS.
God forbid racial cultures mix! White kids can't find an ethnic identity to relate with different from their own!


That's fine, but when suburban crackers who have never even seen a black person talk in their fake geto accent, I do a facepalm.

 
SubBass49 2009-03-12 04:57:05 PM  
How about people stop worrying about what is "White" and what is "Black," and start being just plain PEOPLE? I know plenty of White kids that talk "Black" and plenty of Black people that talk "White." The whole idea of designating music or speech patterns as belonging to one group or another is bordderline full-retard to begin with.

Get over it.

We've got bigger things to worry about in this life.

 
Kareeshus 2009-03-12 04:58:32 PM  
He might have a point. As a whitey who went to a predominantly black high school, a fondness for rap and hip hop were one of the few things I had in common with a lot of my peers. I probably wouldn't have had nearly so many black friends otherwise.

/If you don't like rap, that's OK. It's not FOR you.

 
satanicsantoku 2009-03-12 05:23:59 PM  
Jonathan Hohensee: I'm glad to see so many old people in this thread have found away to speak out against those scary urban youths who hang out around their 7-11s without fearing retribution.

Necrosis: Rap isn't music! What a clever headline!

Hey, I think that "Rap" is missing a "c" for "crap!" Get it? LOL!


THIS and

FreeLoveFreeway: When people say "wigger" they mean "Race traitor".

THIS.

everybody else in this thread sounds old and bitter. it's really sad that i have cause to drop a stereotype like that. 90% of white people are a little scared and angry all the time.
ps - i am white. you ignorant cracker assholes.
/if you think being called "cracker" is racism, your skin is too thin.
//getting called cracker is usually filed under "blanket hostility." for everyone. regardless of color.
///big L
////139, atlantic ave, there's a big park
//if you're soft don't walk through it when it gets dark

 
il Dottore 2009-03-12 05:33:38 PM  
FreeLoveFreeway: When people say "wigger" they mean "Race traitor".

No, what they mean is "Look at the idiot".

 
devilskware 2009-03-12 05:41:59 PM  
for the record I said nig .............. pause .... ger up there. Fark you you racist filter!!!

 
T.rex 2009-03-12 05:47:42 PM  
i remember back in '93, hearing THE CHRONIC album, it opened my eyes that black people get down with the herb, too. It surprised me, for some reason... like i naively thought that only white boys in the suburbs smoked weed.

 
mandingueiro 2009-03-12 05:58:49 PM  
T.rex: i remember back in '93, hearing THE CHRONIC album, it opened my eyes that black people get down with the herb, too. It surprised me, for some reason... like i naively thought that only white boys in the suburbs smoked weed.

if that is true...then wow. just wow.

 
Whatthefark 2009-03-12 06:01:14 PM  
Gunny Highway
Hollywood Cole: Yeah but I have never heard of doing a a drive by because that is what JOURNEY would do and they "keeps it real."

Those kids dont shoot people because of rap. That is like saying all metal heads love fist fighting and worshiping Satan.


So does this mean no more fight club in the basement of LaVey's House of Satan?

Where am I supposed to play my GWAR CDs now?

 
AgentOrangeDrink 2009-03-12 06:18:51 PM  
bhcompy: Gunny Highway: Hollywood Cole: Yeah but I have never heard of doing a a drive by because that is what JOURNEY would do and they "keeps it real."

Those kids dont shoot people because of rap. That is like saying all metal heads love fist fighting and worshiping Satan.

The problem is that some of the rap Goodfellas/The Godfather/Scarface/Heat/gangster movies in general condones or romanticizes that activity. Which is the same with some kind of metal. But driveby shooting and sacrificing a goat are two different things.


"Man, I loved that movie! Did you see those guys? So bad ass! When they just shot that guy right in the face?! Oh, don't look now, but there's some n*ggers listening to their ghetto music. What wastes of space."

Probably sums up most of the dickbags in this thread.

 
T.rex 2009-03-12 06:35:02 PM  
mandingueiro

if that is true...then wow. just wow.


Tis true... like i associated weed with people of either a hippy mentality or people with disposable income. It didn't occur to me that getting high could 'work' in an urban setting, too.

Today, we have Method Man, Cypress Hill, the FRIDAY movies, Dre, Snoop.... but before THE CHRONIC came out, i was not exposed to any knowledge of black people down with the herb (not including Marley). In fact, even today, i'm not aware of any references in pop culture preceeding THE CHRONIC with black people smoking weed.

 
SubBass49 2009-03-12 10:15:22 PM  
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lilplatinum [TotalFark] 2009-03-13 06:31:13 AM  
Jonathan Hohensee: THIS.
God forbid racial cultures mix! White kids can't find an ethnic identity to relate with different from their own!


Dressing up like a retard is not an ethnic identity.

 
Onkel Buck 2009-03-13 07:06:33 AM  
factoryconnection: Good trolling headline... something to rile everyone. Maybe Jay is right in general, but I know plenty of people that hate other races while still being big fans of hip hop.

THIS!

The manager at my first job would come into work biatching about *insert favorite derogatory name for an African-American here*(he knew a million different names) all while popping N.W.A's zaggin4efiL into the tape deck and cranking it up to an obscene volume and then going into his office. That was a strange summer

 
FreeLoveFreeway 2009-03-13 08:19:04 AM  
Bhasayate: So, yeah, white racists can like your music and still hate the black people.

I believe he's quoted as using the word "idolize", which has much different implications than "Hendrix rawks!" Jay-Z does have a point though. Phil Anselmo of Pantera, for example experienced the very cognitive dissonance to which you refer as he got older because he realized most of his idols weren't white people from Texas.

Yes, Jay-Z's assertion isn't 100% correct... and congratulations for sniffing out a blanket statement. And even though hip-hop has the luxury of emerging as America becomes less racist, remember that hip hop is an artistic culture by itself. It's more than "rap music". I'm sure everybody here knows all about that and they're bored by my point about hip hop but if you did need to google "what is hip hop?", perhaps you should control+F my original comment and come to terms with your own cognitive dissonance.

 
lilplatinum [TotalFark] 2009-03-13 09:12:47 AM  
FreeLoveFreeway: And even though hip-hop has the luxury of emerging as America becomes less racist, remember that hip hop is an artistic culture by itself.

15 year old suburban kids wearing sean johns does not make them part of an artistic culture, its a bad fashion fad for that vast majority of little wiggers.

 
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