even in a full courtroom he's the baldest dude around


/keep fighting the good fight billy

Good luck squeezing milk out of a dying tit, there, Billy.

*cough*ASCAP*cough*

93 Lollapalooza.

Pumpkins are scheduled for 3 in the afternoon.

Corgan keeps changing the times, they do not hit stage until midnight.

IT is June in New Orleans.

After Rage Against the Machine, The Beastie Boys, Cypress Hill, Trible Called Quest, and George Clinton, we all were ready to go home. Did I mention 105 degree weather all day?

Corgan starts screaming that the crowd has no energy, and if we have no energy neither will he.

He sat in a chair and starting singing.

A single beer bottle sailed up from the crowd and hit him in the chest. Then 90% of the crowd left.

Corgan sucks.

I miss the good Smashing Pumpkins.

He's the one that's not Adam Duritz, right?

/smashing and counting is no way to go through life, son.

Asa Phelps: *cough*ASCAP*cough*

I thought the same thing at first, but apparently, this is a move to secure royalties for the performers. ASCAP secures royalties for the songwriters (or whomever owns those rights).

Asa Phelps: *cough*ASCAP*cough*

ASCAP and BMI compensate authors/composers, not the performers (unless they also wrote the material, obviously), and are flat license fees rather than pay-per-play. He wants royalties, which I think everybody has to pay except terrestrial radio.

Excellent timing, Billy. Next I'd demand a larger cut of 8-track sales.

Aww, sounds like somebody's sad that his cover of Landslide is the Smashing Pumpkins song that gets the most airplay these days.

Don't lump me in with you, Subby. Billy Corgan is as disposable as Miley Cyrus.

Also, that song in the new Hyundai Genesis coupe commercial SUCKS.

Is this the band that has the lead singer who always sounds like he has a head cold? Fark, what a whiny voice that asshat has.. he sounds like an emo biatch when he sings.

Brad_Will: He wants royalties, which I think everybody has to pay except terrestrial radio.

There are no performance royalties for artists or performers in the USA the way there are for writers and composers.

In much of the rest of the world a royalty called a "neighbouring right".

exists.

/words left off the post that i made first

Brad_Will: terrestrial radio.

Ground waves?

Um, i liked the new album.

I LOVED Zwan. Hell, i even liked his solo album.

Even so, he is a cockbag.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are no performance royalties for artists or performers in the USA the way there are for writers and composers.

I know for a fact that satellite radio has to pay performance royalties to the RIAA. And certain types of commercial enterprises do as well.

true Subby, you can't always get what you want.
However, I've heard if you try sometime, you find you get what you need.

Brad_Will: Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are no performance royalties for artists or performers in the USA the way there are for writers and composers.

I know for a fact that satellite radio has to pay performance royalties to the RIAA. And certain types of commercial enterprises do as well.

Isn't part of that because some satellite radio devices allow you to store music, and they're afraid of piracy from that avenue? (Silly, but it's possible)

UNC_Samurai: Isn't part of that because some satellite radio devices allow you to store music, and they're afraid of piracy from that avenue? (Silly, but it's possible)

No, it's been the case since SDARS started. It was a contentious part of the initial negotiations, as I recall.

Brad_Will: I know for a fact that satellite radio has to pay performance royalties to the RIAA

I've always assumed that was because the satellite transmissions know no national boundries so that the neighbouring right (or equivalent royalty scheme) is being charged because of the international nature of the broadcast.

dillenger69: you can't always get what you want.
However, I've heard if you try sometime, you find you get what you need.

Oh yeah!

adamgreeney: Um, i liked the new album.

I LOVED Zwan.

I thought I was the only one. The solo album, not so much- but Zwan kicked ass... I never understood all the hate. It wasn't SUPPOSED TO sound like the Smashing Pumpkins, that's why it didn't.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: I've always assumed that was because the satellite transmissions know no national boundries so that the neighbouring right (or equivalent royalty scheme) is being charged because of the international nature of the broadcast.

No, it's mostly because it's a subscription service, so the RIAA treats it the same way as a bar or club that charges an admission fee. And I wouldn't be surprised if the NAB put pressure on the RIAA to place an additional financial burden on XM and Sirius.

Brad_Will: No, it's mostly because it's a subscription service

Interesting.

My world is film and TV (and other audio-visual devices). What I know about radio, live performance, neighbouring rights and other sound-only royalties comes mostly from sitting on the crapper skimming the magazine that SOCAN sends me. :)

Doesn't radio bring in a lot of money by exposing artists and songs to the masses? And wouldn't forcing the stations to pay the artists kind of tear that apart?

Plus, Billy Corgan is a Cubs fan.

I don't think that greedy doofus thought his cunning plan all the way through.

There was a time (still is) where the artists paid the stations to play their music.
Why does he think that stations are provided with (deluged really) CDs to play free of charge?

I'm sure it's no skin off the stations' asses if they don't play the Pumpkins.

It will however, hurt the Pumpkins badly.
They'll just kind of fade into oblivion.

And what of college stations? They wouldn't even be able to consider paying.
Most would be forced out of existance.

Bite the hand that feeds you much?

FM radio is dead enough as it is.

This would really finish it off. It's a dumb idea.

If you want money from the area, play a show in the area. Get off your lazy ass.

So radio stations would have to pay the artists that the labels bribe them to play?

Generally, FM radio sucks, so it's not even worth talking about. What I don't get is the demand for increased royalties for things like Pandora (which absolutely does not suck). I've bought a ton of stuff that I've only been exposed to because of Pandora. It's effective advertising, you retards.

I would have settled for a good SP album in the '90s, but the band didn't bother to release one after Gish.

He is confused. If you want the great promotion that getting your song played on the radio brings, you pay. It is called payola.

carmody: I would have settled for a good SP album in the '90s, but the band didn't bother to release one after Gish.

I like Siamese Dream and Pisces Iscariot but I only like about half of Mellon Collie. After that the band went completely into the toilet. I gave Adore away after two listens. It's only the third album I've done that with in my life and I've bought a lot of music over the years.

Simple solution: Don't play his shiatty music on the radio.
Pay him a lump sum of $0.00.
There ya' go Billy. Enjoy.

Every Pumpkin album rocks, and Zeitgeist is especially awesome. Billy is a god.

/Suck it, haters.

TheLopper: Every Pumpkin album rocks, and Zeitgeist is especially awesome. Billy is a god.

/Suck it, haters.

Do songwriters get a cut of concert profits when he sings their songs? Honest question, I really don't know.

Not a fan, fwiw. Probably not much.

I used to spend a lot of time making fun of Billy Corgan and not playing his band's songs on a college radio station, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.



/awesome guitarist, insufferable ego
//although Zeitgeist, Adore and Machina I have exactly two farking awesome songs apiece on them.

Smashing Pumpkins were the worst concert of last year for me...

Yeah, don't sell your publishing douchebag.

/loved Siamese Dream, about 50% of Mellon Collie, Adore, and Machina

//Zeitgeist was ridiculously bad

Watch for a lot of stations to flip to FM talk if this goes through.

doshus: Smashing Pumpkins were the worst concert of last year for me...

Amen to that. When I saw them back in 96 it was literally one of the best concerts I ever went to. I saw them a few times after that and they were still a really good live act. I'm not one to criticize a band for changing or anything but wow, Billy and Jimmy (the guitarist and bassist aren't original) have gone downhill fast. I used to happily drive hours to go to their concerts. When I saw them last year I was upset at having to drive downtown which takes me about 15 minutes.

why don't you actually read what he has to say and stop being a whiny biatch yourself? once again, you dorks tear down Billy and the Pumpkins, bur NEVER say who your so farking keen on.

"Dear Chairmen Kohl & Leahy and Ranking Members Hatch & Specter:

The merger as proposed before you on the surface may seem to be too much power in the hands of the few, and I can understand the need for Congress to review this matter. Here I would hope that my 20 years in the recording and touring business will allow me some candid authority on these issues, and would help shed some light for you on some of the nuances that perhaps could easily get missed.

The 'system' that was once the modern record business, essentially ushered in with the meteoric rise of the Beatles, is now helplessly broken. And by almost every account available cannot be repaired. Personally I would add to that a healthy 'good riddance,' as the old system far too often took advantage of the artists as pawns while the power brokers colluded behind the scenes to control the existing markets. This control often saw the sacrificing of great careers to maintain that control. Look no further than the major record labels' intense fight to slow down the progress of Internet technologies that more readily brought music and video to the consumer because they couldn't completely control it. This disastrous decision on their part has destroyed the economic base of the recording industry. It is now a shadow of its former self.

Artists now find a heavy shift of emphasis to the live performance side, and this is where this merger finds its merit. The combination of these companies creates powerful tools for an independent artist to reach their fans in new and unprecedented ways, all the while restoring the power where it belongs. In today's ever changing world, the ability for artists to connect to their fans and stay connected is critical for the health of our industry. Without sustainable, consistent economic models upon which to make key decisions, it is both the music and the fans that suffer.

In short, we have a broken system. This is a new model that puts power into the hands of the artist, creating a dynamic synergy that will inspire great works and attract healthy competition. The proposed merger you have before you helps create those opportunities by boldly addressing the complexity of the existing musical and economic landscapes.

Billy Corgan

The Smashing Pumpkins

2/20/09"

I wish he'd go after the Federal Reserve, which is, ultimately, the source of his melancholy, and seemingly endless sadness. It's like a bad dream, only in two parts, but still attached.

fark his uncle Fester looking ass.

We didn't get a good smashing pumpkins album last decade, either.

Billy's statement doesn't jibe with what he's asking for.

There's two kinds of royalties: songwriting and performance.

Over-the-air radio pays songwriting royalties, but not performance royalties. That's because the performance is for sale (it's called a record/tape/CD) and the performer is expected to get money as a result of the sale of the record.

When digital delivery (web radio and XM/Sirius) came out, the record companies argued...*successfully*...that when something's digital, it's perfect, and any recording made from a digital broadcast was itself perfect. They conveniently skipped the part where they had to explain "lossy compression". The money they've successfully lobbied for here is supposed to be compensation for lost sales due to XM/Sirius/Web radio distributing perfect copies of their recordings.

Which, if you've listened to Sirius, XM, or web radio, you know to be a lie.

Now they're circling back to radio, saying "well, Congress made *them* pay, now it's your turn."

They can DIAF.