Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

California: You can do it, Feds can help.

Maybe they need another referendum.

Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

Talking points don't need sources, silly!

Well my city is doing it's part the cops have set up a speed trap near my houe with revolving cops when one makes a bust another moves closer to the intersection waiting for the next perp. Somedays I wish I could flip them off but seeing how that's illegal I won't. Can someone explain why it is illegal.

houe=House

Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

Not sure about the number, but dealing with illegal immigration properly might save a few dollars here and there...

Ed Finnerty: please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

Talking points don't need sources, silly!


FAIL


please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

There are many sources, here's one from the dot gov.

Link (new window)

clusterfrak: Can someone explain why it is illegal.

maybe the finger is considered fighting words or a threat to the cops

Does state level immigration enforcement even exist, or is it all federal?

Ed Finnerty: please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

Talking points don't need sources, silly!

You are a partisan idiot who feels that your warped PC view of the world supersedes facts and how things really are.

EdNortonsTwin: FAIL


please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

There are many sources, here's one from the dot gov.

Link (new window)

Hmmmmmm. The author (^) of your "dot gov" essay.

EdNortonsTwin: Ed Finnerty: please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

Talking points don't need sources, silly!


FAIL


please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

There are many sources, here's one from the dot gov.

Link (new window)

Thanks. Interesting, having never looked up anything on it, I assumed that the sales tax illegal immigrants paid would offset the costs they take. The CBO report indicates otherwise.

That being said, that rep is calling for increased enforcement. Would the cost of that enforcement actually make up for what illegal immigrants are costing?

here are his solution, from that link:

1. We know that most illegal immigrants come to the United States to work. California should require every employer in the state, including state agencies and contractors, to use E-Verify to check the immigration status of employees.
2. California should prohibit sanctuary policies and require that all local and state law enforcement agencies cooperate with immigration authorities to remove criminal illegal immigrants, including screening for legal status at local jails.
3. California should end its policy of providing virtually free in-state college tuition for illegal immigrants. This is a matter of fairness as well as fiscal responsibility. Why should U.S. citizens or legal residents who have lived their whole lives in California be penalized for leaving the state for a year, when someone illegally in the country and in the state for a year gets a free ride?

I can see small business owners crying foul on #1.
How much would #2 cost?
As far as #3, can illegal immigrants actually get a free college ride? How the hell does that work? Sounds like hyperbole to me...

please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

Mexico, mostly.

Here's another:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

Costing California 10 billion a year because the Feds won't let us secure our own border.

Keep writing checks feds; about x4 more of those $2B every year should cover it.

Ed Finnerty: EdNortonsTwin: FAIL


please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

There are many sources, here's one from the dot gov.

Link (new window)

Hmmmmmm. The author (^) of your "dot gov" essay.

So, you can't show evidence to the contrary, so you'll give him crap for wearing a cowboy hat?

please: Does state level immigration enforcement even exist, or is it all federal?

Fed should do it, but the state still provides all sorts of services to illegals, such as healthcare and education.

EdNortonsTwin: Here's another:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

Costing California 10 billion a year because the Feds won't let us secure our own border.

Keep writing checks feds; about x4 more of those $2B every year should cover it.

Tyler Durden, would Cali really try to secure their own borders?

California does not have an illegal immigrant problem. It has a legal immigrant problem as they are now the minority or will be soon. We've already gotten rid of most of the businesses and jobs. As soon as we can get the rest of those legal immigrants out, we will be fine. Oh, and more money please, government. Thanks

pd771: So, you can't show evidence to the contrary, so you'll give him crap for wearing a cowboy hat?

I didn't say anything about his cowboy hat. I also didn't see any "evidence" in his essay. Where's the citations for the numbers in his essay? Or, is it just a "gut" feeling?

generaltimmy: EdNortonsTwin: Here's another:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

Costing California 10 billion a year because the Feds won't let us secure our own border.

Keep writing checks feds; about x4 more of those $2B every year should cover it.

Tyler Durden, would Cali really try to secure their own borders?

How the Latin Kings working out for Chicago?

Here's another from the Congressional Budget Office:

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf

California is $44B in debt. Illegals and their kids are costing CA aprox $10b a year.

Feds can secure our borders and deport illegals, or they, we, YOU can keep writing checks.

If the hispanic gangs haven't made it to your area yet.....wait awhile.

Let the state suck it up. We need to learn some personal responsibility over here.

/CA

subby, do the Mexicans parked in front of Home Depot accept gift cards to Home Depot?

Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

THIS.

Thread over.

On the 'Right America, Feeling Wronged' documentary, the Governator is caught saying during a campaign how he had to leave Austria due to socialism... and how Obama is going to turn America into a socialist country if McCain does not win.

So I'm assuming he is going to decline the offer then???

They need to elect a democratic governor to clean that mess up.

Maybe they could stop paying welfare to all of the red states that don't pay their share of federal taxes.

mrshowrules: They need to elect a democratic governor to clean that mess up.

AHAHAHAHA, WIN! WIN WIN WIN!

illusi0n: Maybe they could stop paying welfare to all of the red states that don't pay their share of federal taxes.

This.

mrshowrules: They need to elect a democratic governor to clean that mess up.

They need to elect a Mexican governor to clean that mess up.

Ed Finnerty: pd771: So, you can't show evidence to the contrary, so you'll give him crap for wearing a cowboy hat?

I didn't say anything about his cowboy hat. I also didn't see any "evidence" in his essay. Where's the citations for the numbers in his essay? Or, is it just a "gut" feeling?

FTL: "In 2004, the Federation for American Immigration Reform published the most recent comprehensive report..."

"...a December nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office report that looked at the entire United States reached a similar conclusion..."

Did you even bother to read it?

Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

The corporate mantra: Socialized losses, privatized profits.

They're illegal, so they're cut off from the legal system. Therefore corporations are free to pay them slave wages and force slave working conditions; since they're illegal they can't complain. They don't pay most taxes, but use all the same services (roads, hospitals, schools) everyone else does.

End result: You get sunk paying for their social costs, while the CEO of ConAgra hires another illegal to cut his lawn.

Build the goddamn wall and this problem will solve itself over time because everyone born here is a citizen (also, mandatory civics/"your rights" classes would help). But then you're a disgusting racist Gringo... can you live with that?

mrshowrules: They need to elect a democratic governor to clean that mess up.

We need another governor like Pete Wilson - who cleaned up the last budget mess.

illusi0n: Maybe they could stop paying welfare to all of the red states that don't pay their share of federal taxes.

Red states, pay some of their taxes in blood. (new window) Thanks, #42!

Snarfangel: please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

Mexico, mostly.

Nice.

mrshowrules: They need to elect a democratic governor to clean that mess up.

Worked for Michigan...

I hear South Carolina has ton of stimulus cash they don't want to spend on stimulus.

I haven't seen California farkers call for secession in a while.

/Just Sayin'

Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

And destroy the largest industry CA has (agriculture).

Brilliant!

Darwin's Prophet: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

And destroy the largest industry CA has (agriculture).

Brilliant!

Or employ LEGAL citizens.

Brilliant!

3_Butt_Cheeks: Darwin's Prophet: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

And destroy the largest industry CA has (agriculture).

Brilliant!

Or employ LEGAL citizens.

Brilliant!

And either double-triple the cost of food or, more likely, crash the industry when people start buying cheaper foreign produce, milk, eggs, etc. Half the dairies in this state are already about to collapse.

Brilliant!

Electriclectic: I haven't seen California farkers call for secession in a while.

/Just Sayin'

I would take it if it was offered. Despite the previously mentioned subsidizing of a lot of other states, we would probably have to rewrite our constitution if we were our own nation and could fix some of the systemic problems (2/3 vote for budget, ease of getting initiatives on the budget). But, alas, this is not likely to happen.

Darwin's Prophet: And either double-triple the cost of food or, more likely, crash the industry when people start buying cheaper foreign produce, milk, eggs, etc. Half the dairies in this state are already about to collapse.

Cost of labor is a fraction of the cost of produce. You could probably double the wage of field workers and only see a 10% increase in produce costs.

Darwin's Prophet: And either double-triple the cost of food or, more likely, crash the industry when people start buying cheaper foreign produce, milk, eggs, etc. Half the dairies in this state are already about to collapse.

"If a 40 percent farm worker wage increase were fully passed on to consumers, and if there were no farm productivity improvements, the $0.06 farm labor cost of a head of lettuce would rise to $0.08, and the retail price would rise from $1 to $1.02." - U.C. Davis (new window)

Ed Finnerty: please: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

source on that?

Talking points don't need sources, silly!

exactly. if all the illegal immigrants left, california would be in even more debt than it is now. this is a FACT and no source is needed.

Here's what illegals and their kids did with a mexican flag in Maywood California when they mobbed a US Post Office during immigration riots and protests.



...and there's this:

Darwin's Prophet: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Darwin's Prophet: Nemo's Brother: Or they could save over $11 billion a year by enforcing their illegal immigration laws.

And destroy the largest industry CA has (agriculture).

Brilliant!

Or employ LEGAL citizens.

Brilliant!

And either double-triple the cost of food or, more likely, crash the industry when people start buying cheaper foreign produce, milk, eggs, etc. Half the dairies in this state are already about to collapse.

Brilliant!

Yeah you are right, cheap food is much more important than not keeping people in abject slavery.

EdNortonsTwin: Here's what illegals and their kids did with a mexican flag in Maywood California when they mobbed a US Post Office during immigration riots and protests.



...and there's this:

Well then, they're obviously all 'Murika-hatin commies socialists, aren't they?