Kinda doesn't matter who the GOP runs next time.

/Not ONE dime!

That phrase does not convey how much I do not want him to run, or ever speak publicly again.

New Gingrich is an attention whore. He has no importance other than as a "potential GOP candidate". So every four years he teases the media and never does anything. He'll never run, but if he ever says that he has no reason to be listened to.

The only person who could save the GOP is RON PAUL!

DamnYankees: New Gingrich is an attention whore. He has no importance other than as a "potential GOP candidate". So every four years he teases the media and never does anything. He'll never run, but if he ever says that he has no reason to be listened to.

Newt's one of the few intelligent Republicans left in the party. I don't agree with most of what he believes, but at least he can articulate his argument. I was surprised to find out how much I agree with him on America's space policy.

I still wouldn't want him as President.

Mentat: Newt's one of the few intelligent Republicans left in the party. I don't agree with most of what he believes, but at least he can articulate his argument. I was surprised to find out how much I agree with him on America's space policy.

I still wouldn't want him as President.

Agreed, he can be a tad nutty at times but overall he is the type of person conservatives should be flocking to. Instead they try to push people like him out (he is the exception to that considering his legacy)

DamnYankees: New Gingrich is an attention whore. He has no importance other than as a "potential GOP candidate". So every four years he teases the media and never does anything. He'll never run, but if he ever says that he has no reason to be listened to.

Newt would never survive the media vetting process. Nevermind the stuff that's only been hinted at, if that story with him pressing his wife for divorce while she was in the bloody hospital recovering from cancer treatment hits the news cycle, he knows it's over.

Mentat: Newt's one of the few intelligent Republicans left in the party. I don't agree with most of what he believes, but at least he can articulate his argument. I was surprised to find out how much I agree with him on America's space policy.

Newt is not an intellectual. He's an idiot. He believes in the same things as Sarah Palin. He's just someone who likes to say "we're a party of ideas".

Well we don't particularly want you either.

tweekster: Agreed, he can be a tad nutty at times but overall he is the type of person conservatives should be flocking to.

Why? Newt's nothing but a hypocrite. I don't understand why anyone would think of him as some type of worthy adversary.

DamnYankees: New Gingrich is an attention whore. He has no importance other than as a "potential GOP candidate". So every four years he teases the media and never does anything. He'll never run, but if he ever says that he has no reason to be listened to.

Good point. I think I was wrong. He flutters his eyelashes and smiles coyly so I thought he was averring because he really was going to run. But you saw the reason behind the reason.

And he really does look like he's about to burst into a Cheshire Cat grin whenever he gets to talk. You should have seen him on Meet the Press today. He could barely conceal his delight. "They're listening to me! They're really listening to me!"

Mentat: DamnYankees: New Gingrich is an attention whore. He has no importance other than as a "potential GOP candidate". So every four years he teases the media and never does anything. He'll never run, but if he ever says that he has no reason to be listened to.

Newt's one of the few intelligent Republicans left in the party. I don't agree with most of what he believes, but at least he can articulate his argument. I was surprised to find out how much I agree with him on America's space policy.

I still wouldn't want him as President.

You got it. If anyone could engineer a comeback in 2010 and 2012, it would be Newt. But he's got so much baggage and so much residual hate that he's too damaged to be considered for the top position. But I'm glad to see him speaking up.

Also, Newt would be 69 in 2012. He's too old.

flannelled fool: You got it. If anyone could engineer a comeback in 2010 and 2012, it would be Newt. But he's got so much baggage and so much residual hate that he's too damaged to be considered for the top position. But I'm glad to see him speaking up.

I seriously don't understand. How could Newt engineer a comeback? Does anyone even like him? Dude was a Congressman - that's it. Even at the height of his power when he was battling Clinton, he was vastly less popular than Bill was. He had power as the Speaker of the House, but thats it.

He should stick to coming up with new and innovative ideas, like tax cuts for the rich or scapegoating gays.

Oh god, Newt's the epitome of Republican hypocrisy.

Donald_McRonald: He should stick to coming up with new and innovative ideas, like tax cuts for the rich or scapegoating gays.

Don't forget the evils of bjs.

I don't thing he'd be very successful as the electorate treats him like a turd that won't flush.

flannelled fool: But he's got so much baggage and so much residual hate that he's too damaged to be considered for the top position.

I agree completely.

Now, Palin on the other hand...

DamnYankees: I seriously don't understand. How could Newt engineer a comeback?

Of course, this topic would be hated by everyone other than a conservative, so I won't provide the name, just a link. Newt was one of the prime architects and spokesmen.

People underestimate that guy. Folks, Newt Gingrich is one of the smart ones. If you think that his questionable personal life is going to preclude him from running, consider this: Not so long ago, a sitting president with a questionable (to put it politely) service record successfully attacked the credibility of a man with a confirmed combat record. Now ask yourself if anyone is going to care how Gingrich treats his women, etc.

Pull away that 'Contract with America' crap, and you have a particularly smart guy there. If you're mortified by the GOP, it's him I would keep an eye on, not Jindal. I don't care what he says, right now.

flannelled fool: DamnYankees: I seriously don't understand. How could Newt engineer a comeback?

Of course, this topic would be hated by everyone other than a conservative, so I won't provide the name, just a link. Newt was one of the prime architects and spokesmen.

From that link: A November 13, 2000 article by Edward H. Crane, president of the libertarian Cato Institute, stated, "... the combined budgets of the 95 major programs that the Contract with America promised to eliminate have increased by 13%."

lol

flannelled fool: DamnYankees: I seriously don't understand. How could Newt engineer a comeback?

Of course, this topic would be hated by everyone other than a conservative, so I won't provide the name, just a link. Newt was one of the prime architects and spokesmen.

You might as well nominate Zombie Reagan, if that's your argument.

Stay Cool Babylon: People underestimate that guy. Folks, Newt Gingrich is one of the smart ones.

Sure he's smart, but he's an awful human being. The rest of your babble is irrelevant to that fact.

Stay Cool Babylon: Pull away that 'Contract with America' crap, and you have a particularly smart guy there.

And just how would you do that? He's the farking symbol for the Contract With America nonsense.

Newt's irrelevant and has been for some time.

Stay Cool Babylon: Not so long ago, a sitting president with a questionable (to put it politely) service record successfully attacked the credibility of a man with a confirmed combat record. Now ask yourself if anyone is going to care how Gingrich treats his women, etc.

I have to laugh at the idea that any independent will look at Barack Obama, then look at Newt Gingrich, and actually choose the latter. It's ridiculous.

DamnYankees: You might as well nominate Zombie Reagan, if that's your argument.

From the CwA link:

...the Contract detailed the actions the Republicans promised to take if they became the majority party in the United States House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years...

The argument is, that he engineered the unthinkable. Your original question was, "How could Newt engineer a comeback?"

Looks like he pulled one hell of a comeback once before. Discount him at your own risk.

flannelled fool: Looks like he pulled one hell of a comeback once before. Discount him at your own risk.

I will, thanks. He's a joke.

Soup4Bonnie: Stay Cool Babylon: Pull away that 'Contract with America' crap, and you have a particularly smart guy there.

And just how would you do that? He's the farking symbol for the Contract With America nonsense.

Newt's irrelevant and has been for some time.

I'm merely pointing to the man's intelligence and command of politics, history, etc. Contract with America was a ploy, not unlike one he might pull in 2012. I should have worded it that way.

It kind of depends on what the economy does under Obama.

If the Dow Jones is hovering around 5,000 and unemployment is at 12% in 2011, after he spent $3 Trillion trying to fix the problem, Obama will be kicked out on his butt as fast as you can say Jimmy Carter. You may cringe at the thought, but you know it is true. If after 3 years things are still trending downward, he can blame Bush all he wants but it's not going to help. We will have another Republican president. Hopefully one who can speak this time.

OTOH, if the Dow is above 10,000 and unemployment has ratcheted back some, the Republicans might as well not run anybody.

Personally, I want a Republican Congress and a Democratic President. The 6 years of this under Clinton were spectacular years.

I need to ask - if Gingrich is such a genius, why has he done nothing at all since leaving Congress in disgrace in 1998? People love to talk about his 'genius' in the election of 1994, but he failde so badly in the election of 1996 and the fights with Clinton that he had to leave Congress after only a few years as Speaker.

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"Newt Gingrich wants to run for President about as much as everyone else wants him to: "Not particularly"

Ummmmmm,

I guess you think you speak for "everyone else" - but probably only speak for about 30-40% of the country. I know about another 30-40% that would love for him to run. The other 20% (or so) drift with the wind and help elect crazies like this nut we are stuck with now.

flannelled fool: Discount [Gingrich] at your own risk.

Quite a bit has changed between 1994 and now. Newt had lucky timing - he rode the crest of a long Republican realignment. After 15 years, the public figured out the GOP is less than completely worthless at governing. Gingrich's sole talent, sloganeering, won't help the Republican party win any converts.

Stay Cool Babylon: Not so long ago, a sitting president with a questionable (to put it politely) service record successfully attacked the credibility of a man with a confirmed combat record. Now ask yourself if anyone is going to care how Gingrich treats his women, etc.

Not to mention that our current president is a ex-drug using young minority who grew up on food stamps who refused to wear a flag pin with almost zero national experience who beat out a lifelong patriot and military hero with over 30 years in the national political scene.

TheGreatGazoo: If the Dow Jones is hovering around 5,000 and unemployment is at 12% in 2011, after he spent $3 Trillion trying to fix the problem, Obama will be kicked out on his butt as fast as you can say Jimmy Carter. You may cringe at the thought, but you know it is true. If after 3 years things are still trending downward, he can blame Bush all he wants but it's not going to help. We will have another Republican president. Hopefully one who can speak this time.

I don't know if anyone can make this claim. If the economy is still that bad in 3 years, there will surely have been 'events' along the way which shape it. Collapses, overseas revolutions, corruption. Who knows.

You could have just as easily said in March 2001 that if we were involved in 2 overseas wars with a huge deficit and a recession, GWB would never win re-election. Well...

I would support him. He does have some good ideas and is able to communicate them fairly well. And if you look at his record on the economic agenda, we had some damn fine prosperous years when he was Speaker of the House. Much more so than the job Pelosi is doing.

The other thing is, the libs hate him so much it would be fun to see them go apoplectic. The wailing and gnashing of teeth on the left would be as amusing to me as the republicans freaking out over obama is to the democrats.

As far as the personal crap, I think we've determined that it's ok to have a president that is a womanizer, cheats on his spouse, or does drugs.

Newt/Palin '12

The thought of me frightens me.

BrotherMalcolm: Subby
"Newt Gingrich wants to run for President about as much as everyone else wants him to: "Not particularly"

Ummmmmm,

I guess you think you speak for "everyone else" - but probably only speak for about 30-40% of the country. I know about another 30-40% that would love for him to run. The other 20% (or so) drift with the wind and help elect crazies like this nut we are stuck with now.

Yeah and those same idiots think palin should run. Thankfully they are a minority, that can be marginalized. Because they are functionally retarded

Few things are better for the people than when The PoTUS and the Congress are of opposite parties.

The less they can actually do the better. the REALLY F'd up with the "Spend-for-us" bill. We would have been better served by them doing nothing and letting the market turn us. After thing collapse others swoop in, buy up, and runs things - often better than the previous group.

farkuufarkinfark: And if you look at his record on the economic agenda, we had some damn fine prosperous years when he was Speaker of the House.

Wait, now the Speaker of the House is responsible for the economy?

I thought people believed it was the President?

All Newt Gingrich really wants is oral sex from a married woman other than his wife.

tweekster: BrotherMalcolm: Subby
"Newt Gingrich wants to run for President about as much as everyone else wants him to: "Not particularly"

Ummmmmm,

I guess you think you speak for "everyone else" - but probably only speak for about 30-40% of the country. I know about another 30-40% that would love for him to run. The other 20% (or so) drift with the wind and help elect crazies like this nut we are stuck with now.

Yeah and those same idiots think palin should run. Thankfully they are a minority, that can be marginalized. Because they are functionally retarded

I do not know very many people in the political groups I speak with that actually want Palin to run. She is a joke.

She is not as bad as the lib-tards successfully made her out to be - but them the brakes in politics. She is too vulnerable.

Soup4Bonnie: farkuufarkinfark: And if you look at his record on the economic agenda, we had some damn fine prosperous years when he was Speaker of the House.

Wait, now the Speaker of the House is responsible for the economy?

I thought people believed it was the President?

Don't you understand?

If the Republicans control Congress and not the White House, if the economy is good, it's thanks to Congress.

If the Republicans control Congress and not the White House, if the economy is bad, it's the President's fault.

If the Republicans control the White House and not Congress, if the economy is good, it's thanks to the White House.

If the Republicans control the White House and not Congress, if the economy is bad, it's Congress' fault.

If the Republicans control the White House and Congress, if the economy is bad, it's somehow the Democrats' fault. Maybe the fault of the previous Democratic administration. Maybe the gay illegal immigrants and the activist judges. Anyone besides the Republicans.

DamnYankees: You could have just as easily said in March 2001 that if we were involved in 2 overseas wars with a huge deficit and a recession, GWB would never win re-election. Well...

9/11. It changed _everything_

/nevar forget!

BrotherMalcolm: I do not know very many people in the political groups I speak with that actually want Palin to run. She is a joke.

Polling...your personalo political groups...hmmm, which to go with?

If he has the balls to punt Palin out of the spotlight, then sure he should run. But mix things up a bit. Go with Jim Webb for VP.

Soup4Bonnie: farkuufarkinfark: And if you look at his record on the economic agenda, we had some damn fine prosperous years when he was Speaker of the House.

Wait, now the Speaker of the House is responsible for the economy?

I thought people believed it was the President?

Both - too various degree. Blame it on those who hold the purse string and either allow bills to be brought forward or sits on them.....then the PoTUS signs or veto's them. The PoTUS also can "talk up bills" helping (attemping to) build up momentum in the public opinion. So both have a roll.

BTW - both are currenty supper lib-tarded. Which is just as dangerous as when they are both too far right.

elchip: Soup4Bonnie: farkuufarkinfark: And if you look at his record on the economic agenda, we had some damn fine prosperous years when he was Speaker of the House.

Wait, now the Speaker of the House is responsible for the economy?

I thought people believed it was the President?

Don't you understand?

If the Republicans control Congress and not the White House, if the economy is good, it's thanks to Congress.

If the Republicans control Congress and not the White House, if the economy is bad, it's the President's fault.

If the Republicans control the White House and not Congress, if the economy is good, it's thanks to the White House.

If the Republicans control the White House and not Congress, if the economy is bad, it's Congress' fault.

If the Republicans control the White House and Congress, if the economy is bad, it's somehow the Democrats' fault. Maybe the fault of the previous Democratic administration. Maybe the gay illegal immigrants and the activist judges. Anyone besides the Republicans.

You sound (read) like a sniffling lil biatch-ass troll.

DamnYankees: Also, Newt would be 69 in 2012. He's too old.

Also, his IQ will be 69 in 2012, he is too stupid.