You and your Liberal "facts" have no place in his reality!

Ahhhhh... Senator DeMoron...

DC has a school voucher program too.

Whoda thunk it?

Dancin_In_Anson: DC has a school voucher program too.

Whoda thunk it?

DC has a voucher program that doesn't work. They also have high cross-district enrollment in public charter schools. This actually does work. And it doesn't violate the constitution. Imagine that!

flavor of the month: DC has a voucher program that doesn't work.

Funny. Some think it does.

flavor of the month: And it doesn't violate the constitution

He meant the "colored" students.

Dancin_In_Anson: Funny. Some think it does.

They would be wrong. (new window)

He might be right... regardless of SC's graduation rate....

DC's graduation rate is 14 points higher than South Carolina's.

Ouch.

/ didn't see that one coming

Great gravy, DeMint makes me wanna gouge my eyes out with a spoon. He doesn't even pretend to be a representative civil servant to the residents and taxpayers of South Carolina.

As his constituent, I signed up to his email list to find out what he is doing for the state and recently got this helpful nonpartisan email from him:

Friends

We all know that our economy needs help. But unfortunately, the Congressional Democrats' bill is not a stimulus. It is a spending spree gone bad and nothing short of fraud.

This massive spending bill will not rescue our economy: but it very well could strangle it.

Fortunately, there is another way. A better way. A way that will actually stimulate the economy, spur investment, and create jobs. A way that will permanently infuse billions of dollars -- immediately -- in the private sector, by keeping money in the hands of Americans who buy goods, provide services, start businesses, and hire employees.

Please click here and read about Senator Jim DeMint's "A Jobs Plan that Will Work."

After reading it, please get involved by signing up, writing letters to the editor, and forwarding this email to your friends and family to help spread his conservative message. Thanks!

Sincerely,

Team DeMint

Is it just me or is it getting stabby in here?

Zarkin, how do you maintain your sanity while living in such a blighted wasteland ruled by stupidity?

Zarkin Frood: Fortunately, there is another way. A better way. A way that will actually stimulate the economy, spur investment, and create jobs. A way that will permanently infuse billions of dollars -- immediately -- in the private sector, by keeping money in the hands of Americans who buy goods, provide services, start businesses, and hire employees.

Is it "Kill ze Jews?" Because that plan has been tried before.

/Settle down...

JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: They would be wrong. (new window)

* Students who attended non-SINI public schools prior to application to the Program (56 percent of the impact sample) scored an average of 5.7 scale score points higher in reading (ES = .15) if they were offered the scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship and 6.9 scale score points higher (ES = .18) if they used their scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship.
* Students who entered the Program in the higher two-thirds of the test-score performance distribution at baseline (66 percent of the impact sample) scored an average of 5.2 scale score points higher in reading (ES = .15) if they were offered a scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship and 6.3 scale score points higher (ES = .18) if they used their scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship.
* Students from the first cohort of applicants (21 percent of the impact sample) scored an average of 8.7 scale score points higher in reading (ES = .27) if they were offered a scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship and 12.2 scale score points higher (ES = .37) if they used their scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship.


Smells like failure to me.

The headline is funny, but gang statistics are needed to prove DeMint is an asshat.

Pretty much the only state or territory South Kacolacky can spit on when talking about ed-you-kay-SHUN is Missisip.

I'll need three paragraphs from each of you, explaining why this supports your position.

Zarkin Frood: Fortunately, there is another way. A better way. A way that will actually stimulate the economy, spur investment, and create jobs. A way that will permanently infuse billions of dollars -- immediately -- in the private sector, by keeping money in the hands of Americans who buy goods, provide services, start businesses, and hire employees.

Yes, we all know the "better way": Tax cuts for the rich.

Is all the Republicans have to offer? Is this their only idea? Didn't we already do this?

Dropping out to get a job to support your underaged baby mom != joining a gang.

Exodus2001: Yes, we all know the "better way": Tax cuts for the rich.

Is all the Republicans have to offer? Is this their only idea? Didn't we already do this?

Republicans used to want to cut taxes and cut spending. I think most Republicans still want this. The national Republicans have lost their way and are getting their electoral ass handed to them.

No voucher program has proved itself to work better than the public school program. Why?
Because choice -- what conservatives love in school programs but hate in uteri -- cuts both ways; dumb people choose bad schools.

School excellence has to be made a priority at home; if the kids aren't pressured like hell by their 'rents, the teachers certainly aren't going to have much to work with.

Dancin_In_Anson: JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: They would be wrong. (new window)

* Students who attended non-SINI public schools prior to application to the Program (56 percent of the impact sample) scored an average of 5.7 scale score points higher in reading (ES = .15) if they were offered the scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship and 6.9 scale score points higher (ES = .18) if they used their scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship.
* Students who entered the Program in the higher two-thirds of the test-score performance distribution at baseline (66 percent of the impact sample) scored an average of 5.2 scale score points higher in reading (ES = .15) if they were offered a scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship and 6.3 scale score points higher (ES = .18) if they used their scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship.
* Students from the first cohort of applicants (21 percent of the impact sample) scored an average of 8.7 scale score points higher in reading (ES = .27) if they were offered a scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship and 12.2 scale score points higher (ES = .37) if they used their scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship.


Smells like failure to me.

Take a bath.

There were no statistically significant reading (ES = -.00) or math (ES = .05) achievement impacts for the high-priority subgroup of students who had attended a SINI public school under No Child Left Behind (NCLB) before applying to the Program.

Zarkin Frood: Great gravy, DeMint makes me wanna gouge my eyes out with a spoon. He doesn't even pretend to be a representative civil servant to the residents and taxpayers of South Carolina.

As his constituent, I signed up to his email list to find out what he is doing for the state and recently got this helpful nonpartisan email from him:

...plan...

Is it just me or is it getting stabby in here?

Having just read his plan it is...

...keep the tax cuts.

/and that is it

Klingon Penis: Because choice -- what conservatives love in school programs but hate in uteri -- cuts both ways; dumb people choose bad schools.

But voucher schools, by virtue of not being government run, are automatically better than public schools! Failure simply doesn't exist in the private sector. (and if it does, it's the government's fault for allowing it.)

Dancin_In_Anson: DC has a school voucher program too.

So when will Texas implement a militia voucher?

There are already plenty of crazies there who would love to direct their tax money away from the US government.

Zarkin Frood: Great gravy, DeMint makes me wanna gouge my eyes out with a spoon. He doesn't even pretend to be a representative civil servant to the residents and taxpayers of South Carolina.

As his constituent, I signed up to his email list to find out what he is doing for the state and recently got this helpful nonpartisan email from him:



Friends

We all know that our economy needs help. But unfortunately, the Congressional Democrats' bill is not a stimulus. It is a spending spree gone bad and nothing short of fraud.

This massive spending bill will not rescue our economy: but it very well could strangle it.

Fortunately, there is another way. A better way. A way that will actually stimulate the economy, spur investment, and create jobs. A way that will permanently infuse billions of dollars -- immediately -- in the private sector, by keeping money in the hands of Americans who buy goods, provide services, start businesses, and hire employees.

Please click here and read about Senator Jim DeMint's "A Jobs Plan that Will Work."

After reading it, please get involved by signing up, writing letters to the editor, and forwarding this email to your friends and family to help spread his conservative message. Thanks!

Sincerely,

Team DeMint


Is it just me or is it getting stabby in here?

I see nothing wrong with that at all and I would very much like to subscribe to that newsletter.


/not really.
//stabby stabby
///slashy slashy

2wolves: You and your Liberal "facts" have no place in his reality!

Yeah, everyone knows numbers have a liberal bias!

satanorsanta:
Having just read his plan it is...

...keep the tax cuts.

/and that is it

True convservative values, never change a thing, even in the face of overwhelming counter-evidence

thenateman: Exodus2001: Yes, we all know the "better way": Tax cuts for the rich.

Is all the Republicans have to offer? Is this their only idea? Didn't we already do this?

Republicans used to want to cut taxes and cut spending. I think most Republicans still want this. The national Republicans have lost their way and are getting their electoral ass handed to them.

I don't believe Republicans have actually believed this in the past 30 years. I hear it a lot but I have never once seen it happen. Yeah, we've seen some tax cuts, but spending grew exponentially underneath Republican control. It has been this way ever since I've been alive.

Having visited South Carolina and DC I can honestly say I'd rather go back to DC.

Even in the "bad" areas I had no problems, perhaps because I'm polite when asking directions.

I dunno, I've never had problems in the US, pretty much everywhere I go people are really nice. And I've taken more than a few wrong turns in my life while driving.

/now with the GPS I fully expect one day to turn into a river.

Ah, Republicans.

Aexia: But voucher schools, by virtue of not being government run, are automatically better than public schools! Failure simply doesn't exist in the private sector. (and if it does, it's the government's fault for allowing it.)

A pretty good explanation of why right-wing ideology is on the skids.
All one has to do is read front page headlines to see what unfettered capitalism does to markets and lives.

ChaoticLimbs: Ah, Republicans.

Ah, Bach.

It doesn't matter if they graduate. They're probably dumb as dirt still.

A few years back there were parents howling about how a Valedictorian in New Orleans was being held back because she failed the LEAP test. A test so easy that anyone who doesn't have dyslexia should meet its minimum requirements. Also she scored an 11 on the ACT.

But she "graduated" eventually.

Yeah, vouchers are evil. How dare the government allow parents to control where their children go to school anyway? Who came up with that crazy idea? And if they do send them to private school, they damn sure better still pay into the DC public schools so little Laquesha can be a baby-momma three times over before she graduates high school not knowing how to read.

\DeMint's retarded
\\Just like the anti-voucher crowd.

EverWatcher: Zarkin, how do you maintain your sanity while living in such a blighted wasteland ruled by stupidity?

I drink.


JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: Zarkin Frood: Fortunately, there is another way. A better way. A way that will actually stimulate the economy, spur investment, and create jobs. A way that will permanently infuse billions of dollars -- immediately -- in the private sector, by keeping money in the hands of Americans who buy goods, provide services, start businesses, and hire employees.

Is it "Kill ze Jews?" Because that plan has been tried before.
/Settle down...

You know the conservatives had pieces of flair that they made their underage Thai male prostitutes wear. Wait...

CheetahOlivetti: ChaoticLimbs: Ah, Republicans.

Ah, Bach.

Is_What_It_Is: Yeah, vouchers are evil. How dare the government allow parents to control where their children go to school anyway? Who came up with that crazy idea? And if they do send them to private school, they damn sure better still pay into the DC public schools so little Laquesha can be a baby-momma three times over before she graduates high school not knowing how to read.

\DeMint's retarded
\\Just like the anti-voucher crowd.

DeMint is retarded, but you haven't been paying attention have you. Voucher programs generally don't work, plenty of data to show that. It is just another example of how the "privatization of everything model" has failed. The reason is it is still a private entity on the government teat. Short term players jump in and deliver a poor product.

A balance of government services and privatized entities has always worked the best for this country. Pure "socialism" certainly doesn't work, it can't sustain itself over the long haul. Pure "free markets" don't work either, it burns itself out by generating vaop-value and collapses even faster than socialism.

Mrbogey: It doesn't matter if they graduate. They're probably dumb as dirt still.

A few years back there were parents howling about how a Valedictorian in New Orleans was being held back because she failed the LEAP test. A test so easy that anyone who doesn't have dyslexia should meet its minimum requirements. Also she scored an 11 on the ACT.

But she "graduated" eventually.

And yet, I can show you examples of children from horrible conditions getting into very good colleges and scoring well on their SAT tests. Hmm, anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much in larger statistical analysis.

Yes, DC has a higher graduation rate then SC, but that's because the standards in DC are pathetically low. By comparison, in order to graduate in SC you have to slay the chess dragon.

iaazathot: And yet, I can show you examples of children from horrible conditions getting into very good colleges and scoring well on their SAT tests. Hmm, anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much in larger statistical analysis.

Saying inner-city public schools deliver substandard results isn't "anecdotal". The worst performing schools in Louisiana were New Orleans. And those results were really obvious.

Dear rest of the country,

Please disregard the use of "Carolina" in "South Carolina". Even we don't know what the hell their problem is. We just use them to buy fireworks at South of the Border and golf in Myrtle Beach.

Sincerely,

The recently-turned-progressive state of North Carolina.

JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: Is it "Kill ze Jews?" Because that plan has been tried before.

Subsidized
Living
Arrangements and
Vocational
Employment for
uRban
Youth

apparently some states don't realize that there is an average and half of the people are below that... and they are one of them, the problem is when they look at thier neighboring states they are the same... ya the south... florida looks down and says they are better than cuba

You guys are idiots. Hasn't anyone considered the possibility that more than 70% of DC students join gangs?

TheOther: JoJoTheIdiotMonkeyBoy: Is it "Kill ze Jews?" Because that plan has been tried before.

Subsidized
Living
Arrangements and
Vocational
Employment for
uRban
Youth

REally? the little cheat wit the "R"? No shyte, you're going with that?

I call shenanigans on those numbers.

States' Data Obscure How Few Finish High School (NY Times)

"One team of statisticians working at the state education headquarters here recently calculated the official graduation rate at a respectable 87 percent, which Mississippi reported to Washington. But in another office piled with computer printouts, a second team of number crunchers came up with a different rate: a more sobering 63 percent."

Which numbers are they using?

Mrbogey: iaazathot: And yet, I can show you examples of children from horrible conditions getting into very good colleges and scoring well on their SAT tests. Hmm, anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much in larger statistical analysis.

Saying inner-city public schools deliver substandard results isn't "anecdotal". The worst performing schools in Louisiana were New Orleans. And those results were really obvious.

Well, the School busses in NOLA obviously didn't work.

His wife has a 4" clit.*

_{* I can make shiat up too.}

Alien Robot: "One team of statisticians working at the state education headquarters here recently calculated the official graduation rate at a respectable 87 percent, which Mississippi reported to Washington. But in another office piled with computer printouts, a second team of number crunchers came up with a different rate: a more sobering 63 percent."

Which numbers are they using?

So according to your paragraph, the State tried to inflate and lie about its numbers. South Carolina probably claimed it graduated 105% of its students.

saintstryfe: REally? the little cheat wit the "R"? No shyte, you're going with that?

dammit