This is where China is ahead of us. No trials, no endless appeals, just a bullet to the head.

eddyatwork: This is where China is ahead of us. No trials, no endless appeals, just a bullet to the head.

Is that because $$$ means more than determining the innocence or guilt of an accused person?

eddyatwork: This is where China is ahead of us. No trials, no endless appeals, just a bullet to the head.

Yeah but the BANG is lip-synced.

The Death Penalty, like gun control, doesn't work to reduce crime.

While I agree that the Death penalty is not a crime deterrent it does do one thing, it insure that scumbag does not commit another crime! I believe that the death penalty does have a place in criminal punishment, there are some crimes that death is the only fit punishment. Like these animals.
http://www.yumasun.com/news/tison_5944___article.html/three_greenawalt.html

Another problem is that we are hearing about how 3 strikes laws are filling our prisons with geriatrics that are "no longer a menace to us" so what do wqe do with them. There is no simple answer.

It is expensive, because it's applied poorly.

I would support the death penalty if it weren't applied so poorly. I did support the death penalty for some time, but was brought around by the current incarnation. Not for the brutality, not for the incivility, but because our justice system simply allows far too many innocents to die, or to be threatened with it, than remove those who actually deserve it.

Until we can fix the system--and that means that states need to examine their prosecutors much more stringently, as well as judges--and we need to address chain of evidence more closely, we are going to have a behemoth of an appeals process.

That is what proponents of the death penalty fail to realize--that by opposition to reform of a system that is fair broke, that they hamstring the system further.

I don't support the death penalty, and I don't support abortion.

Give life a chance. People on death row have even done some good for society(see Tookie) in the long run.

/If you are pro-choice you should also support the death penalty. //If you are pro-life I don't see how you could support executions.

States are stating
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PC LOAD LETTER: he Death Penalty, like gun control, doesn't work to reduce crime.

It would, if applied vigorously enough.

If you've ever been robbed, you will support the death penalty.

So, we're going to keep people in prison until they die because keeping them in prison until we kill them is too expensive. No wonder California is so farked up.

Anyone who supports the death penalty needs to read The Innocent Man.

If you already oppose the death penalty, I recommend you listen to An Innocent Man.

Or both. But anyone, at this point, who supports the death penalty I feel has something seriously wrong in their head.

Trees are free and I'll donate some rope

PC LOAD LETTER: The Death Penalty, like gun control, doesn't work to reduce crime.

Jail, like the Death Penalty, doesn't work to rehab (in a significant amount of the cases) and seems to not be much of a deterrent either. In fact in some gangs it's seen as a badge of honor to have been in prison. Look at the rise of some gangs and it's tied directly to prisons. Should we get rid of that as well?

There needs to be some punishment even if it doesn't stop 100% of the people from doing it.

bubbaprog: Anyone who supports the death penalty needs to read The Innocent Man.

If you already oppose the death penalty, I recommend you listen to An Innocent Man.

Or both. But anyone, at this point, who supports the death penalty I feel has something seriously wrong in their head.

I'll just assume it's a book about an innocent man and go from there. My opinion happens to differ: even if I'm innocent, farking kill me already. I don't want to spend twelve years fighting for my innocence from the confines of a 5x10 cell, finally being released after the best years of my life have been stolen by a corrupt and uncaring government. Just kill me and get it over with.

On Saturday, typo = greenlight!

muck4doo: Give life a chance. People on death row have even done some good for society(see Tookie) in the long run.

Tookie was an actor. He preached reform but secretly was still part of gang with no actual change of feelings.

I never understood the "system is flawed" argument in opposition to the death penalty. Prisons aren't luxurious. They suck. So why support any system that will erroneously kill someone as it will commit them to a life of permanent misery.

muck4doo: I don't support the death penalty, and I don't support abortion.

Apples, meet oranges. Oranges, meet apples.

mrbogey
I never understood the "system is flawed" argument in opposition to the death penalty. Prisons aren't luxurious. They suck. So why support any system that will erroneously kill someone as it will commit them to a life of permanent misery.
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Because... if you put someone behind bars for life you can correct mistakes.

Of course, on the other hand, most of the overturning is because of DNA evidence of crimes done before DNA evidence was able to be done well... so I don't see how that's a problem anymore.

/This is why I'm in the middle on the issue.

muck4doo: I don't support the death penalty, and I don't support abortion.

Give life a chance. People on death row have even done some good for society(see Tookie) in the long run.

/If you are pro-choice you should also support the death penalty. //If you are pro-life I don't see how you could support executions.

The problem pro-life people have is with the killing of an innocent person. They would also argue that folks on death row aren't innocent, and they get what they deserve.

By "States" they don't mean my state. Texas kills a really bad person who had it coming about once every 2 weeks. Our appeal process is adequately thorough, but quick and cheap compared to its peers.

The devil who dragged an innocent man to death behind his truck and was the subject of lots of presidential election talk was executed within 6 months of the crime, iirc. Later, Kerry and Jesse JAckson were offended he was executed for murder instead of labeling it a hate crime. Later still, they wondered why even George "Fredo Corleone" Bush kicked their arse in the election.

Death row is expensive when you spend lots of money. It's cheap when you don't.

muck4doo: I don't support the death penalty, and I don't support abortion.

Give life a chance. People on death row have even done some good for society(see Tookie) in the long run.

/If you are pro-choice you should also support the death penalty. //If you are pro-life I don't see how you could support executions.

Yeah, just imagine it! Someday, some wonderful day, the world will be swarming with 50 billion people that can't go anywhere on the face of the planet and not see another human being, where you share an apartment with 15 people you can't stand, with wars for water and food resources, and the quality of life of a grain-fed cow is probably the only thing worse than the human situation. Oh, and there are no other animals on the planet besides humans, and what they grow to eat in delicious, nutritious paste! Sigh. Yeah, I can't wait. . .

They_no_kill_BakBak: States are stating
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What's a pirate's favorite letter?

Many who are living deserve death, many who are dead deserve life.
Can you give it to them?

No?

Then do not be so quick to deal death in judgment, Frodo, for even the very wise cannot see all ends.

/Considers the death penalty to be a last resort.

I have always been opposed to the death penalty.

Always will be.

I always get accused of being a "bleeding heart liberal pussy" for this. (despite the fact that I legally carry a Sig 9mm)

I am opposed to capital punishment for pure reasons of pragmatism.

I don't 100% trust the system.

Corrupt pigs.
Incompetent DAs.
Sloppy investigations and junk science coupled with poor defense lawyers and or malicious prosecuting attorneys puts innocent men on death row.

I don't even have space here to cite the many examples.

Thousands have been released after new evidence has been revealed.

You just can't UNKILL somebody though.

Reggie Dunlap: They_no_kill_BakBak: States are stating
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What's a pirate's favorite letter?

It's like nobody caes anymoe.

chef_riggy: BTW, a single .45 ACP costs just $1.564 including shipping if purchased here.

Holy crap, dude... go save some money.

I used to totally support the death penalty. But, now I'm not so sure. It seems like making a person sit in a cell with other mean azzholes the rest of his/her life...making him/her WANT to die, is a much better punishment. Could be the best torture. "You want to die? No, you have to suffer for the rest of your life"

Although, when I hear about monsters like the thing in Birmingham, Alabama who (in the past couple weeks) kidnapped & raped a 9 y/o girl in an abandoned apartment...filth like that need to die painfully & slowly. Make a scumbag like that beg to die, then endure the pain for another few hours. No mercy for monsters like that. The more a monster like that suffers, the better.
And maybe the best way to make him suffer is to put him in general population prison & announce what he did. Let the other prisoners have a field day with him. :->

I live in Texas, so that'll rap up my take on the whole thing.

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Anyone else look at the handy map included? Over 1100 people put to death since the death penalty was reinstated in 1972. Texas has 431 of them and the next closest state is Virginia at 98.

/Texan
//Loves this state
/proposes they bring back old sparky

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Green Scorpio: muck4doo: I don't support the death penalty, and I don't support abortion.

Give life a chance. People on death row have even done some good for society(see Tookie) in the long run.

/If you are pro-choice you should also support the death penalty. //If you are pro-life I don't see how you could support executions.

The problem pro-life people have is with the killing of an innocent person. They would also argue that folks on death row aren't innocent, and they get what they deserve.

The inverse of that I do agree with: How can someone who supports killing innocent babies actually be opposed to killing someone convicted of capital murder?

The legal system could be simplified to reduce costs.

I'll take a victory however we can get it. Heaven forbid we should stop killing people.

I am not the first to say this and won't be the last.

I have plenty of left over.44mag ammo from Y2K that I need to use up. I will be happy to donate it to the executioners.... just pay shipping costs.

millions my arse..... $.50

hell... use a rope. It can be used over and over if cost is an issue.

muck4doo: I don't support the death penalty, and I don't support abortion.

Give life a chance. People on death row have even done some good for society(see Tookie) in the long run.

/If you are pro-choice you should also support the death penalty. //If you are pro-life I don't see how you could support executions.

why does being pro-choice necessitate that you support the death penalty?

jake3988: mrbogey
I never understood the "system is flawed" argument in opposition to the death penalty. Prisons aren't luxurious. They suck. So why support any system that will erroneously kill someone as it will commit them to a life of permanent misery.
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Because... if you put someone behind bars for life you can correct mistakes.

Of course, on the other hand, most of the overturning is because of DNA evidence of crimes done before DNA evidence was able to be done well... so I don't see how that's a problem anymore.

/This is why I'm in the middle on the issue.

YOu can't turn around and give 20 years back to someone who spent the what should've been the best 20 years of his/her life behind bars. So, no, you cannot correct that mistake. You took a large part of that person's life away from them.

muck4doo: I don't support the death penalty, and I don't support abortion.

Give life a chance. People on death row have even done some good for society(see Tookie) in the long run.

/If you are pro-choice you should also support the death penalty. //If you are pro-life I don't see how you could support executions.

Very nice.
Now, what's your stance on improving the quality of life via medicine, education, etc.?

muck4doo: /If you are pro-choice you should also support the death penalty. //If you are pro-life I don't see how you could support executions.

Protecting an unborn innocent child has very little in common with the execution of a murderer.

Am I the only one here who would prefer execution?

Suppose I was convicted of some really bad crime, but was innocent. I would prefer to be killed within a year to spending the next 30 living like an animal, trying not to get raped in prison.

muck4doo: //If you are pro-life I don't see how you could support executions.

I'm fully in support of abortions when the fetus is threatening the life of the mother. Either one dies, or they both die.

I'm not a proponent of abortion as a form of birth control.

The death penalty may not stop crime, but it's a hell of an effective punishment.

chef_riggy: How can it be more expensive to juice up some killer than to house, clothe and feed them for 40~80 years?

BTW, a single .45 ACP costs just $1.564 including shipping if purchased here.

Because they sit forever in an expensive maximum security facility, and given every chance in the world to appeal all on the State's dime. If a state didn't give a prisoner the right to appeal his own death sentence, the ability to execute prisoners in that state would be swiftly taken away by the supreme court.

Paying lawyers, added guards, increased security detention centers, on and on costs a lot more then to put them in prison for life.

keloyd:
By "States" they don't mean my state. Texas kills a really bad person who had it coming about once every 2 weeks. Our appeal process is adequately thorough, but quick and cheap compared to its peers.

Thats all fine until we found out crime labs in a number of Texan cities were making up evidence to get people convicted of crimes and the punishment for these individuals who made up the evidence was a mild demotion to head of the crime lab.

eddyatwork:
This is where China is ahead of us. No trials, no endless appeals, just a bullet to the head.

They actually use lethal injection. They have a Winnebago type van they drive around to the various prisons to execute people in.

craigdamage: I have always been opposed to the death penalty.

Always will be.

I always get accused of being a "bleeding heart liberal pussy" for this. (despite the fact that I legally carry a Sig 9mm)

I am opposed to capital punishment for pure reasons of pragmatism.

I don't 100% trust the system.

Corrupt pigs.
Incompetent DAs.
Sloppy investigations and junk science coupled with poor defense lawyers and or malicious prosecuting attorneys puts innocent men on death row.

I don't even have space here to cite the many examples.

Thousands have been released after new evidence has been revealed.

You just can't UNKILL somebody though.

And you can't turn around & give someone back those 20 years either. If they had kids, you can't turn back time & let them be a part of their kids lives when they were little & growing up either.
Frankly, I think I'd rather die.

eddyatwork: This is where China is ahead of us. No trials, no endless appeals, just a bullet to the head.

Now, that's progess!

chef_riggy: wmoonfox: chef_riggy: BTW, a single .45 ACP costs just $1.564 including shipping if purchased here.

Holy crap, dude... go save some money.

That makes it $1.526/rd, shipping is high.

Well, more specifically, stop buying Gold Dot. You're just putting down a prisoner. Get some fifty round boxes of Federal ball ammo or something.

Green Scorpio:

The problem pro-life people have is with the killing of an innocent person. They would also argue that folks on death row aren't innocent, and they get what they deserve.

The problem is that you've made a sweeping (and inaccurate) generalization.

Of course it costs more, this has been well known for years. Of course it isn't a deterrent, no more than jail will rehabilitate anyone. Lets not forget that DNA evidence has found many guilty people to be innocent, so unless by some miracle you know, 100 percent, that someone did commit the crime, there will always be the question of whether they are innocent or not, and you can't dig up a dead convict and say sorry, new found DNA evidence has exonerated you. Justice does not mean punishment that imitates the crime, you don't rape a rapist of burn an arsonist. Despite all that, of course there are those that DESERVE it, but it doesn't make it right. Remember the boxer, the Hurricane.

keloyd: Suppose I was convicted of some really bad crime, but was innocent. I would prefer to be killed within a year to spending the next 30 living like an animal, trying not to get raped in prison.



I wish I could tell you that keloyd fought the good fight, and the Sisters let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but prison is no fairy-tale world. He never said who did it, but we all knew. Things went on like that for awhile - prison life consists of routine, and then more routine.

What part of "thou shalt not kill" doesn't the state understand?