Didn't the supreme court already rule on this?

It's time to let this go, because it's gone.

PFC? I'd say, if this is the truth, reduction to E-1, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, 10 years of hard labor at Leavenworth, and a Big Chicken Dinner*.

Refusing to comply with orders in a war zone is a big deal. If this guy's serious, he should be charged with a variety of crimes, including Articles 88, 92, 94, and 133. Article 94 states: (1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;

...

(b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court- martial may direct.

Like I said, this is a big deal.

*Bad Conduct Discharge

as I said in the other military "He ain't the prezidunt" thread. this is exactly the kind of idiocy as the people who fled to Canada to avoid tours in Iraq.

If he didn't want to be in the military anymore, why didn't he just come out of the closet?

I was going to try to come up with an O-2 figures out how to get promoted to E-3 headline, but I thought that might be too obscure for much of Fark.

/Smitty.
//Yes, I know nothing's obscure on Fark.

Do prisoners in Leavenworth even have a pay grade?

I've asked these questions in another thread on this that went red, but isn't this treason, and do we still execute people for that?

Oh, and how come Obama is the first presidential candidate ever to have to "prove" he is a US citizen?

Court marshal.

I have no problem with a military officer refusing to serve under a superior who he feels is illegit. So long as he's willing to accept the consequences if he is wrong, good on him. I personally think he's wrong, but a key part of our military is that you have to obey your moral compass. Typically we view that as having your morals ensure you don't shoot up your own citizens, but sometimes the crazies will misuse it. Let him take his stand and rule accordingly.



/You guys are slipping.
//Link is hot

GAT_00: Oh, and how come Obama is the first presidential candidate ever to have to "prove" he is a US citizen?

AIN'T YOU SEEN HIS MIDDEL NAME?

GAT_00: Oh, and how come Obama is the first presidential candidate ever to have to "prove" he is a US citizen?

Because he's the first Muslin president?

GAT_00: I've asked these questions in another thread on this that went red, but isn't this treason, and do we still execute people for that?

Oh, and how come Obama is the first presidential candidate ever to have to "prove" he is a US citizen?

zymosan: Didn't the supreme court already rule on this?

It's time to let this go, because it's gone.

No, they threw the cases out because the birth certificate truthers lacked standing.

An officer making such a state during a war is providing aid and comfort to the enemy. DEATH is only rational response.

A Dark Evil Omen

A picture is worth 1000 words.

Edsel: Because he's the first Muslin president?

It's not nice to make cotton jokes.

LOL @ the Army guy who thinks his opinion matters. You're a soldier, not a lawyer. Go shoot something.

Captain Darling: zymosan: Didn't the supreme court already rule on this?

It's time to let this go, because it's gone.

No, they threw the cases out because the birth certificate truthers lacked standing.

Thank you, Darling.

MisterBill: I was going to try to come up with an O-2 figures out how to get promoted to E-3 headline, but I thought that might be too obscure for much of Fark.

/Smitty.
//Yes, I know nothing's obscure on Fark.

You could have thrown in a "butterbar" reference. For when he's in jail.

Dude, bad call. Not a good way to end your carreer.

I'm in the military and here's the oath I took. As an LT, tell me where this guy is swearing to Obama?

Officers oath of office:

I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.

Who cares what this jackass thinks? The fact that he's an officer in no way legitimizes his ridiculous demand.

nosferatublue: Thank you, Darling.

You're welcome, sir.

He sounds concerned.

GAT_00: Oh, and how come Obama is the first presidential candidate ever to have to "prove" he is a US citizen?

Patriotic Drunk Rednecks - Youtube (new window)

when we're at war with the ay-rabs, we do not need an ay-rab presnit.

GAT_00: I've asked these questions in another thread on this that went red, but isn't this treason, and do we still execute people for that?

It is not. It's dereliction, conduct unbecoming, maybe desertion depending on how he goes about it and probably a couple of other things. Definitely asshattery and dumbassery in the first degree. But by the plain text of the Constitution, treason requires actively aiding an enemy, not merely failing to fulfill a sworn duty.

"It's not a lie if you believe it."

--George Costanza

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

--Adolf Hitler

CPT Ethanolic: I'm in the military and here's the oath I took. As an LT, tell me where this guy is swearing to Obama?

Officers oath of office:

I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.

In accordance with the Constitution, Barack Obama was Elected YOUR Commander-in-Chief. You are dangerously close to committing treason during a war. Watch yourself, CPT Drunk, or it will be you facing a firing squad.

gustakooka: If he didn't want to be in the military anymore, why didn't he just come out of the closet?

I see what you did there.

Why don't the Obama lawyers put this issue to bed.

CPT Ethanolic: I'm in the military and here's the oath I took. As an LT, tell me where this guy is swearing to Obama?

Officers oath of office:

I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.

I'm guessing that includes all of Article 2. As long as Obama is serving in the office of president you would be required to follow his orders.

Is this the thread where we mock those that think Obama is illegible?

/ I know
// That Taitz is a piece of work
/// ex-commie, too like B *** no carrier***

yep.

TheShavingofOccam123: "It's not a lie if you believe it."

--George Costanza

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

--Adolf Hitler

"It takes two people to lie-one to lie and one to listen"

--Homer Simpson

So he's going to disobey orders because they come down from an illegal CINC? Yeah, right. You're full of shiat, Lt. Dumbass.

Tyee: Why don't the Obama lawyers put this issue to bed.

It already has been "put to bed" except to the very stupid -- the same kind of stupid that believes the moon landing is a hoax, 9/11 was an inside job, and evolution is a lie. They bring no new evidence to the table, just keep trying to poke holes in (their faulty understanding of) existing evidence.

brainiac-dumdum: Who cares what this jackass thinks? The fact that he's an officer in no way legitimizes his ridiculous demand.

The military is infested with Christian Dominionists who despise the Constitution and our secular government and want the US to be run as a religious dictatorship.

I would not be surprised if A) there is a coup attempt in the near future or B) Obama gets the Indira Gandhi treatment by his own military guards or by the Secret Service.

Tyee: Why don't the Obama lawyers put this issue to bed.

How many times will it take to make you happy. There is a copy of the certificate on the internet for all to see. Are you expecting the lawyers to go door to door to every republican to show them the document? what will it take you make you f-tards shut the f- up???

/and get back to work!

Know that the difference between a PFC and a 1LT is?

The PFC has been promoted twice.

Chabash: Edsel: Because he's the first Muslin president?

It's not nice to make cotton-picking jokes.

/that's racist!

RandomExcess: Tyee: Why don't the Obama lawyers put this issue to bed.

How many times will it take to make you happy. There is a copy of the certificate on the internet for all to see. Are you expecting the lawyers to go door to door to every republican to show them the document? what will it take you make you f-tards shut the f- up???

/and get back to work!

"The birth certificate is a forgery."

See how easy it is for them to be willfully ignorant?

What's up with fark today?

I can tell you, just from reading the Army's response to this, they are handling this idiot with kid gloves, because if someone had said this about GWB, they would have immediately relieved him from his duties and had a BOI (Board of Inquiry) faster than you can think.

All said, this guy needs to be removed. His comments set a bad command climate and are poisonous to his troops. It's also obvious to me that if the Army still lets this guy lead soldiers, then the Army's officers and leadership aren't worth a damn. The Corps would have ground this guy's nuts into dust already for saying such crap that it would undermine the command of this 1LT's superiors.

And BTW, he should be charged with direspect/making contemptuous comments toward superior officers/the President.

/Marine
//take care of this issue, Army, or be seen as being as inept as you were during Abu Ghraib.

BorgiaGinz: I would not be surprised if A) there is a coup attempt in the near future or B) Obama gets the Indira Gandhi treatment by his own military guards or by the Secret Service.

I'd like to think the psych evaluation and background check filters out the Freepers from the Secret Service.

CPT Ethanolic: I'm in the military and here's the oath I took. As an LT, tell me where this guy is swearing to Obama?

Officers oath of office:

I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.

That part about supporting and defending the Constitution. Article II, to be exact. You should read it sometime.

Tor_Eckman: TheShavingofOccam123: "It's not a lie if you believe it."

--George Costanza

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

--Adolf Hitler

"It takes two people to lie-one to lie and one to listen"

--Homer Simpson

"But I poop from there"

--Aspen Brock

BorgiaGinz: The military is infested with Christian Dominionists who despise the Constitution and our secular government and want the US to be run as a religious dictatorship.

[citation needed]

The thing about the military is this: you don't say anything bad about the government. If you don't like the government, don't join the military. If the government changes in a way you don't like, try to get a discharge and get out of the military. The military is NOT for people who disagree with the government.

DADT is still in effect I believe, so if you hate Obama, just tell your superior that you've caught teh ghey.

BorgiaGinz: brainiac-dumdum: Who cares what this jackass thinks? The fact that he's an officer in no way legitimizes his ridiculous demand.

The military is infested with Christian Dominionists who despise the Constitution and our secular government and want the US to be run as a religious dictatorship.

I would not be surprised if A) there is a coup attempt in the near future or B) Obama gets the Indira Gandhi treatment by his own military guards or by the Secret Service.

10/10

CPT Ethanolic: I'm in the military and here's the oath I took. As an LT, tell me where this guy is swearing to Obama?

Officers oath of office:

I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.

Are you kidding me? Are you a real officer or you play one on the internet? Seriously, you need to look at your duties and obligations and you oath again, Jackass.

I seem to remember a part in my oath about "following the orders and directions of the President of the United States and all officers above me"....or something like that? Do you remember that part? Maybe your BC would like to reset your brain regarding your oath of office.