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(Politico) Strange It's nice to have a President that can read and speak, often at the same time, but is Obama that concerned about sounding like Biden that he won't ditch the teleprompter?   (politico.com) divider line 258
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Rain-Monkey [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 09:45:52 PM  
Dude, you get up in front of the National Press Corps on your second month on the job.

Have fun with that.

 
Mordant [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 09:54:02 PM  
I bet he even talks to his wife at dinner with a teleprompter.

 
burndtdan 2009-03-05 10:27:09 PM  
public speakers prepare their remarks? what you say?

 
Pocket Ninja [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 10:41:16 PM  
Mordant: I bet he even talks to his wife at dinner with a teleprompter.

I heard that he had teleprompters positioned over each of his wife's legs during both of his children's birth.

 
stolibro [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 10:43:31 PM  
Q. How do you know if President Obama is using a teleprompter?

A. His lips are moving.

/try the veal

 
Geologist 2009-03-05 10:47:57 PM  
But but but Bush couldn't talk intellegently WITH a telepromter. ;)

 
bronyaur1 [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 10:48:50 PM  
How about we have a president who wants to make sure that he says exactly what he wants to say. God forbid he should THINK before he speaks.

 
Crosshair [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 10:51:07 PM  
Heh, I remember working at the local TV station. At the 10PM news, you could always tell when the person on the teleprompter fell asleep because the anchor suddenly went to their paper scripts.

/I was not the only one who fell asleep.

 
Occam's Chainsaw [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:04:07 PM  
Heaven forbid the man be thoughtful and actually plan out what he intends to say before he runs his damn fool mouth.

 
Crosshair [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:06:10 PM  
bronyaur1: How about we have a president who wants to make sure that he says exactly what he wants to say. God forbid he should THINK before he speaks.

Then why not just pre-record the speech and play it back on a bigscreen?

I took speech classes in school and in 4-H. Reading word for word off a notecard or teleprompter is a crutch that will fail you. A good speaker can think on their feet and fill in the gaps without making themselves look foolish. Notecards are fine if you use them to keep yourself mentally referenced or to hold specific details.

Eddie Izzard had it close. 70% is how you look to the audience, 20% is how you sound to the audience, only 10% is what you say to the audience. A teleprompter between the speaker and the audience acts as a barrier that gives the feeling to the audience that the speaker is not talking to them.

With notecards, the movements of the eyes is clear. Eyes on the note cards, eyes on the audience. The audience "knows" it is being engaged by the speaker, through proper eye contact, and when the speaker is taking reference from the cards. When done right, looking at the cards does not detract from the speaker or the speech. This is stuff I learned in 4-H as a kid.

Relying so heavily on a teleprompter would earn Obama an F in College Speech 101. Sure I may have been far from perfect, but I could generally hold my own.

 
stolibro [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:06:17 PM  
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TheConvincingSavant 2009-03-05 11:09:08 PM  
And to think, the left used to call Bush a puppet.

Worst President evar.

And it hasn't even been two months yet.

 
Pocket Ninja [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:14:13 PM  
My favorite threads are always the ones where a bunch of nattering nabobs banter aimlessly and then a argument-winning wise man steps in and cuts, with his knowledge and learnedness, right to the core of the matter.

 
Sym_pathetic 2009-03-05 11:20:58 PM  
I just watched Obama take unscripted questions on TV today for at least 20 minutes.. well it was on CNN and MSNBC, Fox was busy blaming him for the weather.

 
Sym_pathetic 2009-03-05 11:22:08 PM  
Crosshair: bronyaur1: How about we have a president who wants to make sure that he says exactly what he wants to say. God forbid he should THINK before he speaks.

Then why not just pre-record the speech and play it back on a bigscreen?

I took speech classes in school and in 4-H. Reading word for word off a notecard or teleprompter is a crutch that will fail you. A good speaker can think on their feet and fill in the gaps without making themselves look foolish. Notecards are fine if you use them to keep yourself mentally referenced or to hold specific details.

Eddie Izzard had it close. 70% is how you look to the audience, 20% is how you sound to the audience, only 10% is what you say to the audience. A teleprompter between the speaker and the audience acts as a barrier that gives the feeling to the audience that the speaker is not talking to them.

With notecards, the movements of the eyes is clear. Eyes on the note cards, eyes on the audience. The audience "knows" it is being engaged by the speaker, through proper eye contact, and when the speaker is taking reference from the cards. When done right, looking at the cards does not detract from the speaker or the speech. This is stuff I learned in 4-H as a kid.

Relying so heavily on a teleprompter would earn Obama an F in College Speech 101. Sure I may have been far from perfect, but I could generally hold my own.


Yes, it was the lack of teleprompter funding that stopped your presidential run...

 
rockhound [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:23:06 PM  
Every time I see him on TV he's doing a pretty good job without a teleprompter.

 
CougarJeff [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:27:15 PM  
It would be funnier if it were actually true.
And not several months old.

 
And-1 2009-03-05 11:29:08 PM  
Wow, good one Politico. Your hard-hitting political journalism is just the saviour we need from the puffery of the traditional journals.

Oh. wait - no it isn't. It is petty meaningless bleating that makes you look like a pathetic whiny biatch.

/cue the whargarrbl

 
Crosshair [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:36:13 PM  
Sym_pathetic: Yes, it was the lack of teleprompter funding that stopped your presidential run...

I was referring to my public speaking skills, not my "running for president" skills.

 
ToxicMunkee [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:37:19 PM  
Crosshair: bronyaur1: How about we have a president who wants to make sure that he says exactly what he wants to say. God forbid he should THINK before he speaks.

Then why not just pre-record the speech and play it back on a bigscreen?

I took speech classes in school and in 4-H. Reading word for word off a notecard or teleprompter is a crutch that will fail you. A good speaker can think on their feet and fill in the gaps without making themselves look foolish. Notecards are fine if you use them to keep yourself mentally referenced or to hold specific details.

Eddie Izzard had it close. 70% is how you look to the audience, 20% is how you sound to the audience, only 10% is what you say to the audience. A teleprompter between the speaker and the audience acts as a barrier that gives the feeling to the audience that the speaker is not talking to them.

With notecards, the movements of the eyes is clear. Eyes on the note cards, eyes on the audience. The audience "knows" it is being engaged by the speaker, through proper eye contact, and when the speaker is taking reference from the cards. When done right, looking at the cards does not detract from the speaker or the speech. This is stuff I learned in 4-H as a kid.

Relying so heavily on a teleprompter would earn Obama an F in College Speech 101. Sure I may have been far from perfect, but I could generally hold my own.


Hey, in 4-H did you get everything you said analyzed to death by hundreds of news stations around the world, thousands of newspapers in all languages, talk radio hosts, and thousands of people on message boards? No? Then STFU.

 
Sgt Otter [TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:42:27 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: And to think, the left used to call Bush a puppet.

Worst President evar.

And it hasn't even been two months yet.


Impersonating a Military Officer

Impersonating a military officer is a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 912, which states that is illegal for a person to falsely assumes or pretend to be an officer of any department of the United States and while doing so, either act as an officer or obtain any money because of it.

Violating section 912 can be punished with a fine, imprisonment for up to three years, or both.

 
BuckTurgidson 2009-03-05 11:45:35 PM  
Sgt Otter: Impersonating a Military Officer

Why don't you give his wife a break, Sarge. She's married to a nitwit.

 
Procedural Texture [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-03-05 11:51:52 PM  
I just find it refreshing that the new Prez doesn't slump over the podium like a drooling retard.

/like other Presidents didn't have their speeches written down

 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] 2009-03-06 12:08:40 AM  
Pocket Ninja: My favorite threads are always the ones where a bunch of nattering nabobs banter aimlessly and then a argument-winning wise man steps in and cuts, with his knowledge and learnedness, right to the core of the matter.


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Seth_The_Wide [TotalFark] 2009-03-06 12:58:03 AM  
bronyaur1: How about we have a president who wants to make sure that he says exactly what he wants to say. God forbid he should THINK before he speaks.

So, in your mind reciting a speech written by other people is the same as thinking?

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2009-03-06 02:12:27 AM  
Jesus, only goes to show if you submit something enough farking times eventually you're gonna get the approver you want.

 
Atillathepun [TotalFark] 2009-03-06 02:45:47 AM  
Seth_The_Wide: So, in your mind reciting a speech written by other people is the same as thinking?

Even Washington had speech writers. How about worrying about something meaningful?

 
Meatzilla [TotalFark] 2009-03-06 02:46:05 AM  
robsul82: Jesus, only goes to show if you submit something enough farking times eventually you're gonna get the unbiased approver you want.

I couldn't agree more.

 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] 2009-03-06 02:50:53 AM  
robsul82: Jesus, only goes to show if you submit something enough farking times eventually you're gonna get the approver you want.

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The RIchest Man in Babylon 2009-03-06 06:35:46 AM  
TheConvincingSavant: And to think, the left used to call Bush a puppet.

Worst President evar.

And it hasn't even been two months yet.


Alas, if only.

/hard corps

 
abigsmurf 2009-03-06 06:49:25 AM  
I'd be interested in seeing how Obama would handle something like PMQs over here. Get some proper unscripted political debate between the parties (not the overproduced, over rehearsed rubbish that's the televised debate)

 
denbroc 2009-03-06 06:55:40 AM  
Rush brought this about with his challenge to debate BHO without a script. Just shows you that Rush is right on one thing: the press can be manipulated and played like a fiddle.

\I guess the economy is fixed and the wars over?

 
morrach [TotalFark] 2009-03-06 06:59:37 AM  
I think he should improvationize what he wants to say to the world. What does he have to unreveal??

 
GoldSpider 2009-03-06 07:01:24 AM  
Atillathepun: Seth_The_Wide: So, in your mind reciting a speech written by other people is the same as thinking?

Even Washington had speech writers.


You didn't answer the question. How does reading a speech written by someone else demonstrate superior critical thinking?

 
soy_bomb 2009-03-06 07:03:49 AM  
Smartest. President. Evar!

 
ghare 2009-03-06 07:04:38 AM  
Crosshair: bronyaur1: How about we have a president who wants to make sure that he says exactly what he wants to say. God forbid he should THINK before he speaks.

Then why not just pre-record the speech and play it back on a bigscreen?

I took speech classes in school and in 4-H. Reading word for word off a notecard or teleprompter is a crutch that will fail you. A good speaker can think on their feet and fill in the gaps without making themselves look foolish. Notecards are fine if you use them to keep yourself mentally referenced or to hold specific details.

Eddie Izzard had it close. 70% is how you look to the audience, 20% is how you sound to the audience, only 10% is what you say to the audience. A teleprompter between the speaker and the audience acts as a barrier that gives the feeling to the audience that the speaker is not talking to them.

With notecards, the movements of the eyes is clear. Eyes on the note cards, eyes on the audience. The audience "knows" it is being engaged by the speaker, through proper eye contact, and when the speaker is taking reference from the cards. When done right, looking at the cards does not detract from the speaker or the speech. This is stuff I learned in 4-H as a kid.

Relying so heavily on a teleprompter would earn Obama an F in College Speech 101. Sure I may have been far from perfect, but I could generally hold my own.


a 5 minute college speech is probably a TAD different than being on national tv for half an hour.

 
gothelder 2009-03-06 07:05:48 AM  
GoldSpider: You didn't answer the question. How does reading a speech written by someone else demonstrate superior critical thinking?

I suspect it demonstrates that he knows he is there to make decisions and guide policy, not to write his own speeches. Which near as I can tell is delegating and denotes superior critical thinking. Perhaps you should look into it and get some ghost writers for your fark commentaries. As have never been accused of being chock full of "superior critical thinking".

 
NobleHam 2009-03-06 07:06:43 AM  
I would have though this whole "he can't speak without a teleprompter" thing would have died after the debates. He can't speak if he has no idea what he's going to say, maybe, but even without a teleprompter he's capable of speaking eloquently with only a general idea of his talking points.

P.S. He wrote his race speech himself, and that was a damn good one.

 
GoldSpider 2009-03-06 07:09:13 AM  
gothelder: Which near as I can tell is delegating and denotes superior critical thinking.

Bush delegated a lot too, including having someone write his speeches. Would you defend his "superior critical thinking" on the same grounds?

People here just don't want to admit that Obama is just as awkward with words as Bush when off the teleprompter teat, no matter how obvious it is.

 
GoldSpider 2009-03-06 07:10:22 AM  
NobleHam: He can't speak if he has no idea what he's going to say

Note cards.

NobleHam: but even without a teleprompter he's capable of speaking eloquently with only a general idea of his talking points.

Maybe we'll find out one day.

 
NobleHam 2009-03-06 07:12:49 AM  
Again, he showed it during the debates.

 
gothelder 2009-03-06 07:15:11 AM  
GoldSpider: gothelder: Which near as I can tell is delegating and denotes superior critical thinking.

Bush delegated a lot too, including having someone write his speeches. Would you defend his "superior critical thinking" on the same grounds?


Woah a second there cowboy, you seriously don't think bush was in charge do you? He was a hand picked figurehead that would allow Cheney's cronies field a palatable candidate that could get elected. Cheney and hung around in the background and pulled the strings. He was the republican version of Carter. Also I cannot think of one time when Bush spoke off the cuff where he did not make a complete fool of himself. I have seen many instances where the current POTUS managed to pull it off.


People here just don't want to admit that Obama is just as awkward with words as Bush when off the teleprompter teat, no matter how obvious it is.


Wait until he is trying to put food on our families, etc before you can make that judgment. So far out of the gate when he has been speaking off the cuff he has done better than most people would have.

 
Alphax 2009-03-06 07:16:10 AM  
I see the propaganda outlets won't let the 'teleprompter' thing die.

 
stoppit 2009-03-06 07:16:54 AM  
He handled himself really well with O'Reilly in the runup and with other events there was no sign of a prompter I could see. Is this old news? Even if it's not, what's the big deal? Paper, teleprompter - WGARA?

 
more_fool_you 2009-03-06 07:18:11 AM  
TheConvincingSavant: Worst President evar.

And it hasn't even been two months yet.


Look how dumb you are.

 
morrach [TotalFark] 2009-03-06 07:23:10 AM  
TheConvincingSavant: And to think, the left used to call Bush a puppet.

Worst President evar.

And it hasn't even been two months yet.


Can you at least troll in a way somewhat related to the article?

 
tfresh 2009-03-06 07:27:32 AM  
I'd rather have him use prepared stuff written by professional speech writers. The last thing any of us need is Obama off teleprompter letting us know how he really feels about capitalism, free markets and taxes.

 
defects 2009-03-06 07:30:51 AM  
GoldSpider: Atillathepun: Seth_The_Wide: So, in your mind reciting a speech written by other people is the same as thinking?

Even Washington had speech writers.

You didn't answer the question. How does reading a speech written by someone else demonstrate superior critical thinking?


Umm errr geee umm uhhhh ummm geee well you see.......

 
Loucifer 2009-03-06 07:34:30 AM  
Go fark yourself, San Diego.

 
metztli 2009-03-06 07:34:46 AM  
Hand 1: "ZOMG OBAMA MISSPOKE! HE SAID PROFIT TO EARNING NOT PRICE TO EARNING!!! HE IS A RETARD AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING!!!"

Hand 2: "ZOMG OBAMA USES A TELEPROMPTER TO KEEP HIMSELF FROM MISSPEAKING! HE IS A RETARD AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING!!!"

Gripping hand: "While I was faithfully serving as an ocelot in the Marlene Cords..."

/glass houses, etc.

 
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