If I was alive, I'd approve.

strangeguitar:

I just finished reading I Heard You Paint Houses, so after reading the headline, my first thoughts went to Hoffa and the Teamsters. The AFL-CIO and the Teamsters wrote the book on lavish bashed using union funds.

Our local chapter will be getting a kick out of these comments once they get back from coffee break.

FredaDeStilleto: strangeguitar:

I just finished reading I Heard You Paint Houses, so after reading the headline, my first thoughts went to Hoffa and the Teamsters. The AFL-CIO and the Teamsters wrote the book on lavish bashed using union funds.
Great book.

well THAT makes AIG look so much better.

FOX had a spokesman on, and he said the deal was negoitated three years ago. The deal was if the hotel consented to unionization for their staff, and the construction workers who recently renovated - the AFL-CIO would hold an event there. Apparently, they got a break on the room rates as well.

I've seen a lot press about the recent CPAC meeting, but nobody has said anything about the luxury hotel that hosted the CPAC meeting. Doesn't this set a double standard yada yada yada.....

kevinfra: FOX had a spokesman on, and he said the deal was negoitated three years ago. The deal was if the hotel consented to unionization for their staff, and the construction workers who recently renovated - the AFL-CIO would hold an event there. Apparently, they got a break on the room rates as well.

I've seen a lot press about the recent CPAC meeting, but nobody has said anything about the luxury hotel that hosted the CPAC meeting. Doesn't this set a double standard yada yada yada.....

When is the last time CPAC took a taxpayer bailout you idiot?

well i suppose they need to meet somewhere, it's the quadrennial!
would you guys and gals suggest a virtual convention?

now if they throw a toga party and call in the strippers and coke, then i may have a problem with this. toga parties are unacceptable.


hotlinked.

kevinfra: FOX had a spokesman on, and he said the deal was negoitated three years ago. The deal was if the hotel consented to unionization for their staff, and the construction workers who recently renovated - the AFL-CIO would hold an event there. Apparently, they got a break on the room rates as well.

I've seen a lot press about the recent CPAC meeting, but nobody has said anything about the luxury hotel that hosted the CPAC meeting. Doesn't this set a double standard yada yada yada.....

Except cpac isn't using a monopolistic chokehold on a workplace to force employees to pay dues into an organization that then spends the money on conferences, political donations, etc that the worker doesn't necessarily agree with.

Other than that it is the same

grapefarker: kevinfra: FOX had a spokesman on, and he said the deal was negoitated three years ago. The deal was if the hotel consented to unionization for their staff, and the construction workers who recently renovated - the AFL-CIO would hold an event there. Apparently, they got a break on the room rates as well.

I've seen a lot press about the recent CPAC meeting, but nobody has said anything about the luxury hotel that hosted the CPAC meeting. Doesn't this set a double standard yada yada yada.....

When is the last time CPAC took a taxpayer bailout you idiot?

Did the AFL-CIO get a bailout? Honest question.

grapefarker: kevinfra: FOX had a spokesman on, and he said the deal was negoitated three years ago. The deal was if the hotel consented to unionization for their staff, and the construction workers who recently renovated - the AFL-CIO would hold an event there. Apparently, they got a break on the room rates as well.

I've seen a lot press about the recent CPAC meeting, but nobody has said anything about the luxury hotel that hosted the CPAC meeting. Doesn't this set a double standard yada yada yada.....

When is the last time CPAC took a taxpayer bailout you idiot?

When did the AFL-CIO take a bailout?

They (banks, automobile companies, government, etc) should really send every american citizen a piece of shiat in an envelope.

I want my money back

strangeguitar: If I was alive, I'd approve.

If he was alive he'd be skimming ten percent off the top.

Kill the Rich! fark the Poor!

We won the election, we write the rules!

Imagine that unions like to spend their money they extort from their members? The hell you say.

And...? Their members pay dues and some of them get to go to the bash. If the rank and file have a problem with it they can bring it up with their union reps.

Isitoveryet: well i suppose they need to meet somewhere, it's the quadrennial!
would you guys and gals suggest a virtual convention?

Shill.

Gulper Eel: strangeguitar: If I was alive, I'd approve.

If he was alive he'd be skimming ten percent off the top.
He'd be skimming 15% and kicking 10% upstairs.
/if you know what I mean

Pass the Employee Free Choice Act.

In other news, most non-union people have no farking clue what union dues pay for.

DarnoKonrad: Pass the Employee Free Choice Act.

B-b-b-but that'll put the choice to unionize in the hands of the workers and they might do it! And they might (even worse) join IWW or unaffiliated unions!! Holy merciful crap!

When is the last time CPAC took a taxpayer bailout you idiot?

When did the AFL-CIO take a bail out you idiot?

strangeguitar: He'd be skimming 15% and kicking 10% upstairs.
/if you know what I mean



Me, know what you mean? Certainly not, but they would.

USP .45: Isitoveryet: well i suppose they need to meet somewhere, it's the quadrennial!
would you guys and gals suggest a virtual convention?

Shill.

no, i am not the pro-union type.
i am however understanding of a convention and what facilities a convention would necessitate.
don't confuse wasteful extravagance with normal business practice is all i'm saying.

hell, at least they are keeping it on u.s. soil.

strangeguitar: If I was alive, I'd approve.

Hoffa is alive. He and Elvis are running that service station/diner down in Mississippi.

but but

thats OK

they did get to drive the automakers under, why not????

nemoxnine: grapefarker: kevinfra: FOX had a spokesman on, and he said the deal was negoitated three years ago. The deal was if the hotel consented to unionization for their staff, and the construction workers who recently renovated - the AFL-CIO would hold an event there. Apparently, they got a break on the room rates as well.

I've seen a lot press about the recent CPAC meeting, but nobody has said anything about the luxury hotel that hosted the CPAC meeting. Doesn't this set a double standard yada yada yada.....

When is the last time CPAC took a taxpayer bailout you idiot?

Did the AFL-CIO get a bailout? Honest question.



Also, if kevinfra's comment was accurate, then that *does* change the dynamic. This deal was essentially a payoff to keep the hotel a union shop. Whether or not "union shops" should occur is another story entirely.



Of course, if you pay attention to the underlying metaphor that Chairman Morgan is making you realize that unions, as an economic behavior, are simply a trust or monopoly on labor.

lerry
In other news, most non-union people have no farking clue what union dues pay for.

yea ask any US Merchant Marine Sailor. When they come off a 6 month trip, who is waiting to shake them down?

A Union thug

winterwhile: lerry
In other news, most non-union people have no farking clue what union dues pay for.

yea ask any US Merchant Marine Sailor. When they come off a 6 month trip, who is waiting to shake them down?

A Union thug

You might be the dumbest sonnofabiatch I've ever seen. LOL.

wow... A blatant anti-union thread, the ripest bait around, and only the most perfunctory blithering? Have people started to consider that maybe they have been sold a bill of goods and the opportunity to negotiate a better deal from a strong position might not be so bad?

grapefarker:

When is the last time CPAC took a taxpayer bailout you idiot?


2001-2008.

You must have just gotten out of a coma or something like that.

A Dark Evil Omen
wow... A blatant anti-union thread, the ripest bait around, and only the most perfunctory blithering? Have people started to consider that maybe they have been sold a bill of goods and the opportunity to negotiate a better deal from a strong position might not be so bad?

what?

I was Unionized in Florida. Against my wishes. I then got zero promotions as the Union challenged all employee actions.

So I quit, and in my new job, non Union, I have had 3 promotions and moved to 2 different location, and picked my last 2 bosses.

Naw I do not need a Union. I now make 2x what the Union offered.

I thought the union guaranteed equal misery for all. Guess not.

Obviously: I thought the union guaranteed equal misery for all. Guess not.

You forget: We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.

When is the union not walking on other people's backs?

/government contractor
//does all the work
///gets a fraction of the pay and benes that the civil service gets.

DarnoKonrad: Pass the Employee Free Choice Act.



Isn't that he act where the employees LOSE the right to secret ballot?


Does not sound like "free" or "choice" to me.


/tell us how this is good for anyone.

Phil Herup: /tell us how this is good for anyone.

It's VERY good for the unions, so they know who's skulls get kicked in when no one's looking.

"Michael, we're bigger than U.S. Steel."




/FTFY


+25 Godfather 2 points

DownIncognito: When is the union not walking on other people's backs?

/government contractor
//does all the work
///gets a fraction of the pay and benes that the civil service gets.

Interesting. I was a contractor and made the jump to federal service, the benefits got worse for the most part, but pay went up as they are paying me directly. I opted into the union, primarily to minimize the negative vibes of being a former contractor.

/I'll pay my own dental for the the job security I gained
//still does all the work

margarito bandito: I opted into the union, primarily to minimize the negative vibes of being a former contractor.


Why would there be "negative vibes"? Seriously.


Why did you feel the need to opt in?

I predict more Farker outrage in this thread then the AIG thread below. You know we have to blame the right peopleUnions for this farking mess

Well...Ain't that some shiat?

steamingpile: Imagine that unions like to spend their money they extort from their members? The hell you say.

Wow, you are a whiny little pussy.

I'm disappointed, I was genuinely curious if AFL-CIO had gotten some sort of bailout/federal money.

kevinfra 2009-03-04 08:25:16 PM
FOX had a spokesman on, and he said the deal was negoitated three years ago. The deal was if the hotel consented to unionization for their staff, and the construction workers who recently renovated - the AFL-CIO would hold an event there. Apparently, they got a break on the room rates as well.

I've seen a lot press about the recent CPAC meeting, but nobody has said anything about the luxury hotel that hosted the CPAC meeting. Doesn't this set a double standard yada yada yada.....

Are you really this willfully stupid?
CPAC is a private, VOLUNTARY, political organization, not a group
spending it's members hard-earned pay on a party.

TheBigJerk: I'm disappointed, I was genuinely curious if AFL-CIO had gotten some sort of bailout/federal money.

Not directly, no. The idea as I understand it is that since the UAW is member of the AFL-CIO and the GM bailout is really just a union bailout, then the AFL-CIO directly benefits.

I guess Republicans are just more obvious with their corruption than Democrats.

TheBigJerk: I'm disappointed, I was genuinely curious if AFL-CIO had gotten some sort of bailout/federal money.

Actually, they fought the September bailout pretty hard on the basis of lacking transparency and oversight.

Other, more radical unionists have come down on the AFL-CIO for not being enough against the bailouts and for making too many concessions to the capitalists, a position I tend to agree with.

But I don't think that's what grapefarker meant.

A Dark Evil Omen: DarnoKonrad: Pass the Employee Free Choice Act.

B-b-b-but that'll put the choice to unionize in the hands of the workers and they might do it! And they might (even worse) join IWW or unaffiliated unions!! Holy merciful crap!

Yes they will...just as soon as we get rid of those pesky secret ballots. Now we will know who ain't votin' Union and we can illegally harrass explain the benefits of a Union to them.

//When you said Union...you WERE talking about the Yankees that fought the Confederates...right?