Complete with YT record.... Does the man have no shame?

One of my friends attended this event. Granted, she's not deeply into it and was invited to go by someone else she knows, but nonetheless.... :'(

Wow. I didn't realize that I wanted the war in Iraq to fail. I originally thought that I wanted the war in Iraq to end quickly and bring my friends home. Turns out I just wanted failure.

That broke my stupidometer.

I may not agree with everything he says, but the man can speak.

globalwarmingpraiser: I may not agree with everything he says, but the man can speak.

Poorly, yes. But he can speak.

globalwarmingpraiser: I may not agree with everything he says, but the man can speak.

I wonder how many Germans were saying that at the Nurnberg Rallies.

cameroncrazy1984: globalwarmingpraiser: I may not agree with everything he says, but the man can speak.

Poorly, yes. But he can speak.

More angry Rush (new window)

HowlingFrog: globalwarmingpraiser: I may not agree with everything he says, but the man can speak.

I wonder how many Germans were saying that at the Nurnberg Rallies.

Not a dittohead truther.

You know Rush is doing something right when even Pat Robertson disagrees with him.

Wait, what?

globalwarmingpraiser: Not a dittohead truther.

When did I call you a dittohead?

Lighten up, Francis.

HowlingFrog: globalwarmingpraiser: Not a dittohead truther.

When did I call you a dittohead?

Lighten up, Francis.

Fine. At least your not a Dukie.

Looks like Rush is back on the oxy.

globalwarmingpraiser: More angry Rush (new window)

I take back the lighten up comment. That was farking hilarious.

HowlingFrog: globalwarmingpraiser: More angry Rush (new window)

I take back the lighten up comment. That was farking hilarious.

Rush at his best.

I don't think it's any different from the Democrats that wanted Bush to fail. His comments aren't really that shocking.

/hates both parties

slayer199: I don't think it's any different from the Democrats that wanted Bush to fail

Bucky Katt: Looks like Rush is back on the oxy.

That would imply that at some point he stopped.

I mean, yes, technically he has to stop when he's doing his radio show, and when sleeping and eating and spewing rhetoric... but that would be akin to saying:

"Looks like Amy Winehouse is back on... well, anything she can snort, swallow, or inject."

I actually think its perfectly find to say you want a President to fail in getting his plan through Congress. That makes sense if you think the plan is stupid. What is pernicious and truly farked up is to wish the president's plan, once instituted, doesn't make the country better.

slayer199: I don't think it's any different from the Democrats that wanted Bush to fail. His comments aren't really that shocking.

/hates both parties

I have NEVER said that I wanted Bush to fail. I wanted him to succeed, I just disapproved of his policies and actions. No real American wants the President to fail. This man is not an American. He's nothing more than a terrorist.

slayer199: I don't think it's any different from the Democrats that wanted Bush to fail.


Democrats didn't want Bush to fail.

We knew he would, he did, and we pointed it out when he did, and despised him for the damage he caused in the process.

kmmontandon: slayer199: I don't think it's any different from the Democrats that wanted Bush to fail.


Democrats didn't want Bush to fail.

We knew he would, he did, and we pointed it out when he did, and despised him for the damage he caused in the process.

Pointing out failures someone already had and the damage they caused is exactly the same as hoping someone fails in the future. I hate both sides, they're both so awful when they do the exact same thing like that.

Well, I wanted Bush to fail.

I wanted him to fail in turning back Roe v. Wade. I wanted him to fail in garnering support for the war. I wanted him to fail in turning the country into a Homeland Security state after 9/11. I wanted him to fail in amending the constitution to exclude gay from marriage rights. And there were many other things he pushed that I disagreed with that I wanted him to fail to make happen.

But I didn't want him to fail this country. I didn't want him to lose the war, to turn it into the clusterf*ck it became. I didn't want him and his cronies to fail to act swiftly and decisively during Hurricane Katrina. I didn't want him to fail to protect the country from terrorism. All of these things I didn't want him to fail so I could say HAHA, WHAT A FAILURE! TOLD YA SO! I F*CKING TOLD YA SO!

One gets the idea that's what Rush wants from Obama.

Let Obama burn it all so I can scream TOLD YA SO!!! to all my fans on the radio, and we can all grin and nod and feel satisfied we were right.

As a dirty, filthy, hippy libtard I think I am qualified to comment on this: After the whole "who the fark is the president" question was settled, most of us figured things would be ok. All of GWB's talk of reaching across the aisle and compassionate conservatism and no nation building gave us hope that he wouldn't be all that bad. Then after 9-11 a huge portion of us supported him. The move into Iraq and subsequent failure to find any WMD plus our inability to secure the country after the main offensive is what really started to turn things. The sham 9-11 commission, the reports of cherry-picked intelligence and outright lies regarding Iraq, the Plame outing, the wire-tapping, and consolidation of power all were just more nails in his coffin.

In conclusion, our disdain for him and his administration was not automatic and immediate like the right's disdain for Obama. Georgie boy earned it over time.

Andrew Sullivan said it best:

what I heard most of all from Limbaugh was the demonization of libruls, again and again and again. Limbaugh is attacking the motives and good faith of more than half the country - and of a president just elected in a landslide. Limbaugh takes us right back to the 1980s and 1990s - the old red-blue paradigm that has led to massive GOP losses. But Obama has reframed his opponents as the vested interests resisting reform. Who do you think will win on that battlefield?

What a stupid semantic game. I want Obama to "fail" insofar as I don't want him to accomplish many of his stated policy goals in areas I disagree with him. I want him to "succeed" insofar as I want America to do well with him as President, which really doesn't have much to do with my opinion of Obama.

Churchill2004: What a stupid semantic game. I want Obama to "fail" insofar as I don't want him to accomplish many of his stated policy goals in areas I disagree with him. I want him to "succeed" insofar as I want America to do well with him as President, which really doesn't have much to do with my opinion of Obama.

I think the question is more like "Do you want Obama's policies to have their intended effect"?

Rush hit the nail on the head. Is everyone really so helpless that government has to fix every aspect of their life? I mean, really?

Sybilll: Rush hit the nail on the head. Is everyone really so helpless that government has to fix every aspect of their life? I mean, really?

There are a number of problems that lend themselves most easily to macro- scale solutions, and that the free market cannot be trusted to handle effectively due to their profit motive.

We've long seen national defense as the primary and hard to argue with example of this. Fixing very broad-based economic problems is also pretty much a no-brainer.

Sybilll: Rush hit the nail on the head. Is everyone really so helpless that government has to fix every aspect of their life? I mean, really?

Yes. Anthony Kennedy is cutting my food as we speak.

DamnYankees: I think the question is more like "Do you want Obama's policies to have their intended effect"?

Which is a silly question to be asking in the first place. Obama's stated goals aren't really the issue.

Sybilll Is everyone really so helpless that government has to fix every aspect of their life? I mean, really?

Why yes. Just the way the government is helping countries overseas with their problems. Using American blood.

Churchill2004: DamnYankees: I think the question is more like "Do you want Obama's policies to have their intended effect"?

Which is a silly question to be asking in the first place. Obama's stated goals aren't really the issue.

Huh? That's the entire point. The stated goals are everything when you talk about wanting him to succeed.

Sybilll: Rush hit the nail on the head. Is everyone really so helpless that government has to fix every aspect of their life? I mean, really?

Government helped get us into this mess, sparky.

/or are you one of those people who ignored the deregulation of the last eight years and thinks that the Democrats got us into this mess by spending too much?

Tor_Eckman: In conclusion, our disdain for him and his administration was not automatic and immediate like the right's disdain for Obama. Georgie boy earned it over time.

Ayup. Heck, he earned The Husband's disdain...and The Husband voted for Bush 43. Once.

Sybilll: Is everyone really so helpless that government has to fix every aspect of their life?

People like Bank of America and AIG apparently are.

Sybilll: Rush hit the nail on the head. Is everyone really so helpless that government has to fix every aspect of their life? I mean, really?

except that Rush isn't really upset about 'gubbermint' running the show. he's upset that a *Democrat controlled* gubbermint is running the show. If the Republicans were running everything, Rush wouldn't give a damn about our economic troubles, or much of anything else for that matter.

Sybilll: Is everyone really so helpless that government has to fix every aspect of their life? I mean, really?

I think there is an exponential growth of a cancerous sense of entitlement in this country not just in what people want from government, but from their jobs, the explosion in tort litigation in the past few decades. It pervades our politics and our society. In terms of the government, Thomas Jefferson once said that a government that has the power to give you something also has the power to take it away. Almost two centuries later, John F. Kennedy implored Americans to "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." I don't think the ideals espoused in those statements are much more than quotes on the side of a cup of Starbucks coffee to most folks these days.

Nabb1: John F. Kennedy implored Americans

Hell even LBJ asked people to stand with him and do what they could, whatever it was, to fight poverty. Contrary to what some people like to say, he never thought government alone could handle the problem.

WhyteRaven74: Nabb1: John F. Kennedy implored Americans

Hell even LBJ asked people to stand with him and do what they could, whatever it was, to fight poverty. Contrary to what some people like to say, he never thought government alone could handle the problem.

And it's not just the rank and file looking for a handout either - now big corporations and CEOs are lining up to get a government welfare check.

Ain't progress grand?

Weaver95: now big corporations and CEOs are lining up to get a government welfare check.

That's the really messed up part. Especially when those same people then turn around and cry about programs for poor people. I mean sure there's some abuse of the programs, but anything on the level of the money ISP's took to provide broadband to everyone back in the mid 90s? Not even close.

Weaver95: And it's not just the rank and file looking for a handout either - now big corporations and CEOs are lining up to get a government welfare check.

That's why I say it's "cancerous." Although, some banks seem to be coming to their senses and aren't buying into TARP money, albeit not for altruistic reasons, but because of some rather onerous conditions now attached.

Nabb1: ...some banks seem to be coming to their senses and aren't buying into TARP money, albeit not for altruistic reasons, but because of some rather onerous conditions now attached.

When you dance with the devil, you wait for the song to stop.



Know what I mean?

Mordant: kmmontandon: slayer199: I don't think it's any different from the Democrats that wanted Bush to fail.


Democrats didn't want Bush to fail.

We knew he would, he did, and we pointed it out when he did, and despised him for the damage he caused in the process.

Pointing out failures someone already had and the damage they caused is exactly the same as hoping someone fails in the future. I hate both sides, they're both so awful when they do the exact same thing like that.

Um, not. Recognizing reality and fact is not the same as hoping for a specific outcome. To say they are the same is childish and intellectually dishonest.

/Cognitive dissonance, can you has some?

Churchill2004: What a stupid semantic game. I want Obama to "fail" insofar as I don't want him to accomplish many of his stated policy goals in areas I disagree with him. I want him to "succeed" insofar as I want America to do well with him as President, which really doesn't have much to do with my opinion of Obama.

Your comments sounds OK with me, far better than Rush's.

I want Obama to succeed in most of his policy goals though, as well as pull the Republic out of the mud Republicans left it in, i.e. Iraq War, recessions, hidden government decisions, unconstitutional policies, politics/religion over science, etc. I'm farkin' proud to have voted for him in the primaries and the 2008 general election. He's doing what I want so far.

/You all lost.
//Deal with it like men.

What about all that "support the president because he's the president and you respect the office no matter how strongly you disagree with and find morally repugnant his positions!" BS we've faced from republicans the past 8 years? He's a traitor by his own former views and should be sent to Gitmo by the judgment he would have passed just a year ago.

Jeebus, it's been said before that the hardcore wingnuts view politics as an all or nothing team sport. I honestly never thought I'd hear one of them not only say it out loud, but say that they're proud of it as well.

DamnYankees: I think the question is more like "Do you want Obama's policies to have their intended effect"?

That's not the problem. People are worried about the UNINTENDED effects that his policies will have. Will his policies succeed? I highly doubt it. Will they be extremely harmful in the long run, I most certianly believe so.

I DO want Obamas efforts to fail because I feel that those efforts will be extremely harmfull for our country in the long run. So yes, I want his ideas and policies to fail quickly and miserably so there is no question that we, as a country, should peruse better policies. Much like how I want bad companies to fail so we can peruse better business models and practices and not keep the bad companies on perpetual life support.

You seem to confuse loyalty to ones government with loyalty to ones country and think they are the same. The two are completely separate. One can have the utmost loyalty to their country and no loyalty to their government.

I want our country to succeed. Looking at the path our government is taking, I most certainly do want them to fail because of the harm I see them doing to our country.

So rooting for your country to fail is just like rooting for your home town football team. Good to know. farking tool.

I honestly don't know if this stuff Obama is doing will work. Do I want it to? Hell yes. Unlike that douche I happen to want the best for the country I live in.

If the Republicans are still retarded enough to follow Limbaugh then I can say with certainty, they will fail.

Allow me to clarify as well as provide a citation.

Citation here. (new window)

First off, I'm no fan of either party. I consider Limbaugh's comments more of the same rhetoric we hear from the other side. To me it doesn't matter which party is in power, both parties will screw over the citizenry albeit from different angles. That a Republican wishes a Democratic President to fail should not be a surprise, nor should the reverse be surprising.

I just find it amusing when people pretend that it isn't the case when the situation is reversed.

Crosshair: That's not the problem. People are worried about the UNINTENDED effects that his policies will have. Will his policies succeed? I highly doubt it. Will they be extremely harmful in the long run, I most certianly believe so.

But who's going to listen to an incorrigible right-winger like you these days?

kmmontandon: slayer199: I don't think it's any different from the Democrats that wanted Bush to fail.


Democrats didn't want Bush to fail.

Riiight...