I really wouldn't be surprised if Glenn Beck or Hannity says something within the next 16 month period that gets them canceled. I have to give O'Reilly credit, since he seems to know how to push the line but rarely cross it; those two, on the other hand, have just apparently gone full retard when I turned them on the past couple days during dinner.

I don't trust BOR to correctly report the current time.

If Bill said the sky was blue , I would make sure there was a sky and if indeed it was blue ,, but knowing Bill he would get it wrong on both counts,

Yeah right!

Thus conclusively proving that Fox News is, in fact, fair and balanced.

This is just so sad. To think that so many people watch Fox News.
And I would bet at least half of the viewers believe the "Fair and Balanced" slogan. I know some of my relatives do.

Why oh why can't we find a way to get BillO and Oxycontinbaugh to spend all their energy going after each other?

I'm guessing that if this happened all forces in the universe would cancel each other out and collapse on itself. But damn it would still be worth it.

/BillO can DIAF.

//Drug-baugh should be slowly devoured by fire ants.

Ratings does not mean agreement. It's a measure of entertainment. I listen to Rush LImbaugh from time to time. That blowhard wouldn't know a good idea if God showed up and handed it to him, but he's entertaining. The guys actually running things at Fox News knows that very well. They aren't interested in informing at all. They are interested in ratings. They've got their slice of the market in news entertainment and do it very well.

What Fox News does, no liberal slant media has ever come close to pulling off. Could you imagine a liberal equivalent of Fox news. I'm talking full blown hate machine, complete with anti-intellectualism and the hourly burning of a strawman. That would be really funny. No one really has the vision (or desire) to enact that vision.

Unfortunately, the cost to society for the actually hatred it incites in people (on both sides of the political isle) is a major problem with our country. If we are to ever achieve what the post WW2 generation did, we need to stop hating each other and using blanket dismissals as a matter of course.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think the cause that is America's future does not know of any political lines or partisanship.

I only watch FNC for the news babes!! Julie & Meghan are HOT!!!!!

Renowned transvestite sexologist: Ratings does not mean agreement. It's a measure of entertainment. I listen to Rush LImbaugh from time to time. That blowhard wouldn't know a good idea if God showed up and handed it to him, but he's entertaining. The guys actually running things at Fox News knows that very well. They aren't interested in informing at all. They are interested in ratings. They've got their slice of the market in news entertainment and do it very well.

I don't know about Limbaugh, but I have a strong suspicion that O'Reilly realizes what he's doing. Now, that doesn't mean I don't think he leans right or believes he will benefit from much of what he argues, morally or monetarily, but I think he understands better than any of the others I've seen the difference between reality and the version he propagates.

There are indeed times when he gets genuinely angry and into the discussions, but most of the time, from his voice to his body language, you can kind of just tell that he's more worried about selling you the argument than any real care about what he's actually saying.

Fox's ratings are up because now is when they are going to say the really batshiat crazy stuff. You think the terrorist fist bump was bad? You ain't seen nothing yet!

Fox News has done more to undermine journalism since its' inception than any other force, ever.

My old black democrat voting parents watch Fox News and for the life of me I cannot get them to stop.

Bill-O? Splat. Rush Limbaugh? Squish. A new day's dawning, no lie, time to cast off our tired old right-wing 'commentators' - who cares what they think anymore, they're so 'used-to-be' nowadays.

I dont think whine is the correct word. Who whines that their ratings are up?

I think if you want to get into whos whining about who, C&L is whining about BOR.

Ratings does not mean agreement.

lol seriously? name a conservative who watches olbermann.

Another atypical O'Reily bashing thread on fark.com?

Why is it when ever a vocal member of the America Right-wing (tolerant, yet conservative realists) makes an informed observation reflecting a negative perspective on our current sittuation, there is always this choir of "warghhhble-dog-drinking sprinkler-water" memes and "neo-con tears" rhetoric spewed...

But when ever you frothing America-hating liberal-Jihadist idealists (the left) make a stupid complaint it's all: "right on bro, I totally feel where you are comming from, I really wish I wasn't getting high right now, otherwise I would ask my transgendered life-partner to help us make a difference".

Hypocrites, all of you.

The guy at the end of the thread: Hypocrites, all of you.

I love when people defend Bill O'Reilly. It's like putting a giant "kick me, I'm a dumbass" sign on your back.

Renowned transvestite sexologist:
What Fox News does, no liberal slant media has ever come close to pulling off. Could you imagine a liberal equivalent of Fox news. I'm talking full blown hate machine, complete with anti-intellectualism and the hourly burning of a strawman. That would be really funny. No one really has the vision (or desire) to enact that vision.

MSNBC?

Renowned transvestite sexologist: What Fox News does, no liberal slant media has ever come close to pulling off. Could you imagine a liberal equivalent of Fox news. I'm talking full blown hate machine, complete with anti-intellectualism and the hourly burning of a strawman. That would be really funny. No one really has the vision (or desire) to enact that vision.

Only because we have yet to institute the 24-hour Colbert Channel.

sloppy shoes:

Limbaugh knows exactly what he's doing. He's following directly in the footsteps of Morton Downy Jr. He's even talked about it on air and in interviews. He's interested in listeners. He's actively trying to make people angry, because it brings them back. Seriously, there's no doubt Limbaugh knows what he's doing. He's always been honest and direct about it. The man is VERY good at what he does.

Anyhow, when I say that Fox News knows what it's doing, I'm talking about the people who actually run the sub division of Fox that airs that station. There's a corporate management responsible for the direction of the company. They know exactly what they are doing.

The level of consistency in their workers is just stunning. I'll be fair, O' Reily is smart guy. He's definitely a jackass and that's his selling point, but he's pretty smart. Pretty much all the other people on Fox News, at least their on air personalities (it could easily be all an act) seem so impossibly stupid that I can't imagine they made it through college. I could easily see that none of them actually understand WHY they have the job they have. They are there to entertain. That's it.

As a company division, Fox News is run extremely well. It gives return for shareholder value. It has it's own market it's cut out for itself. It always keeps everyone else on the defensive (which, by the way, is the major strength for confrontational evangelism. Ultimately, it's why it succeeds.)

The guy at the end of the thread: Another atypical O'Reily bashing thread on fark.com?

Why is it when ever a vocal member of the America Right-wing (tolerant, yet conservative realists) makes an informed observation reflecting a negative perspective on our current sittuation, there is always this choir of "warghhhble-dog-drinking sprinkler-water" memes and "neo-con tears" rhetoric spewed...

But when ever you frothing America-hating liberal-Jihadist idealists (the left) make a stupid complaint it's all: "right on bro, I totally feel where you are comming from, I really wish I wasn't getting high right now, otherwise I would ask my transgendered life-partner to help us make a difference".

Hypocrites, all of you.

Subtle.

SFDnozzlehead: MSNBC?

Oh no. Yes, they're liberal. They have made that VERY clear, especially in recent years. They aren't the same. What they share with Fox News is bias, but not style. MSNBC isn't rabid like Fox is. Fox is pure unadulterated entertainment pretending to be news. Really watch The Factor, that guy is an expert entertainer. He cuts off his guests, makes them angry, and declares himself the winner. It's well done. People go on his show for some unfathomable reason expecting that somehow this time will be different, and Bill O'reilly does to them exactly what he does to all his "guests". He's been caught off guard at least once, but it's VERY rare. He's well prepared to shape the "discussion" in the way he wants it to play out so the audience comes back over and over and over.

When I talk about a liberal version of Fox News, I really mean exactly that. Think Daily Kos meets the liberal version of abortion protestors. Dead baby signs, the whole thing. Except being pro-choice, but I think you get the point. Rabid, angry, and wholly uninformative.

It's that something special that Morton Downy Jr. pioneered in the 80s that conservative entertainers have been able to nail time and time again and liberal biased media doesn't even come close.

This is actually good. We will unravel the Obama deception yet.

Someone in an earlier thread said this, and it bears repeating: Bill O'reily and Rush Limbaugh probably know they're lying, but it makes them tons of money. Hannity and Beck believe their own bullshiat.

I'm really curious what would happen to the ratings of some of these programs if all the left leaning people that listen to them for the lulz just stopped for a few weeks. Would it make a big dent or actually implode them? How sizable is the loyal dittohead fan base in reality?

Limbaugh knows exactly what he's doing. He's following directly in the footsteps of Morton Downy Jr.

Suppose Rush would sign one of my oxycontins?

Renowned transvestite sexologist: It's that something special that Morton Downy Jr. pioneered in the 80s that conservative entertainers have been able to nail time and time again and liberal biased media doesn't even come close.

That's because "liberals" don't have the pure hate. They just act exasperated that they can't convince people through a rational argument. But "Conseratives" are "angry" and all they need is boogy man and a line to rally behind.

log_jammin: That's because "liberals" don't have the pure hate. They just act exasperated that they can't convince people through a rational argument. But "Conseratives" are "angry" and all they need is boogy man and a line to rally behind.

I don't think that's correct. Look, ideological outlook doesn't determine framing of discussion. I've meet liberals who went full retard. They exist. Walking, talking pieces of flame-bait just waiting for a target to jump on. Hell, the House of Representatives is full of them, though they have been acting nicer lately, because their President asked them to. Regardless, their true colors are well known.

As far as media goes, no one has really done that confrontational style with a liberal bias. As far as I know no one has done it. I think it would be damn funny watch. Full retard liberalism is just as ridiculous as the Freeper hate to me.

I think some investor out there should make one from scratch and put it on cable. They'd make a killing if they could find "anchors" capable of maintaining the level of "professionalism" necessary to keep the illusion of news, while racking up entertainment points. Give Fox News a run for it's money.

log_jammin: Renowned transvestite sexologist: It's that something special that Morton Downy Jr. pioneered in the 80s that conservative entertainers have been able to nail time and time again and liberal biased media doesn't even come close.

That's because "liberals" don't have the pure hate. They just act exasperated that they can't convince people through a rational argument. But "Conseratives" are "angry" and all they need is boogy man and a line to rally behind.

What if we had Code Pink write for a show with Michael Moore? I'm pretty sure between the two there's enough stupid and fail to mirror O'reily. I don't think it would get anywhere near the audience though. Talent does count for something, even if it's used for evil.

triple: Ratings does not mean agreement.

lol seriously? name a conservative who watches olbermann.

Uhh...talking to one.

Though I will admit my policies have become a LOT more liberal over the past few years, I still identify myself as a conservative republican, I just consider the fundies and supply-side dogmatics to be the cancer that's killing my party.

/It's my party, I'll cry if I want to.

Falcc: I don't think it would get anywhere near the audience though.

That's my point. Not because of a lack of talent. Because of the message.

log_jammin: ... But "Conseratives" are "angry" and all they need is boogy man and a line to rally behind.

Perceived Persecution (TM) and Imagined Victimhood (R) have made Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc a lot of money. (new window)

Renowned transvestite sexologist: I don't think that's correct. Look, ideological outlook doesn't determine framing of discussion. I've meet liberals who went full retard. They exist.

I know thy exist and I don't think ideological outlook determines the framing of the discussion.

I'm not wording this well but I'll give it a shot anyway.

I think the political environment in the US isn't any longer "conservative vs liberal". I think it's now mostly "rational vs irrational" or maybe "single issue vs single issue". one example. No "rational" person can scream about "Obama wants socialism!" yet dismiss The bank bailout that Bush asked for.

I guess what I'm trying and failing to say is that so called "conservatives" nowadays have a large and very angry leadership. and by leadership I mean the right wing talking heads who are on nearly 24hrs a day. and they attract the angry rank and file.

The liberal side has the angry types too. By they aren't listened to near as much because they dem rank and file aren't "angry" they're....exasperated. They're tired of trying to point out that 2*2 is 4 no matter who is in office.


I'm clear as mud. but hopefully you get the idea.

FishStampede: Though I will admit my policies have become a LOT more liberal over the past few years, I still identify myself as a conservative republican, I just consider the fundies and supply-side dogmatics to be the cancer that's killing my party.

They were brought in on purpose after the Souther Baptist convention. The party was going to die without them. Seriously, the party needed a core group of single issue voters to survive.

One of the things I've noticed about the well educated self identified Republicans I know is that they are science focused and not dogmatic focused. If it works, then so be it. If it doesn't then so be it. Do whatever is needed to be done, just don't bankrupt the nation and step on this small list of ideals I have. When I talk to them, it's obvious that we agree more than we disagree. Why? They don't immediate attack me once they find a point they REALLY want to hammer in.

The crazy part of the party, well, for some reason actually has a lot of sway in the primaries and ruins it for the sensible ones. I'm kind of hoping the party spits off the crazy branch so that when Mr Full Retard Liberal is running for office I can do something other than leave the ballot blank for that one.

Watching the Right Wing and the Republican Party self-destruct is almost making having lived through the last eight years worthwhile.

Almost.

I just which we didn't have to kill so many young men and women to get here.

Dwight_Yeast: Watching the Right Wing and the Republican Party self-destruct is almost making having lived through the last eight years worthwhile.

remember. A wounded animal is probably more dangerous than an animal in good health.

What's really mind boggling is that according to that Gallup poll that they just took, Obama has a 42% approval rating with Republicans.

So essentially, more Republican's approve of the Democratic President than they do of their own congress critters.

triple: I dont think whine is the correct word. Who whines that their ratings are up?


Yea, it's called bragging. Winners get to brag.

As far as influence, I don't know this Morton Downey Jr, but Wally George was the grandfather of that shtick and was hilarious to watch. It was an epic cross of Colbert's satire and O'Reilly's self-righteousness. Great stuff.

Falcc: log_jammin: Renowned transvestite sexologist: It's that something special that Morton Downy Jr. pioneered in the 80s that conservative entertainers have been able to nail time and time again and liberal biased media doesn't even come close.

That's because "liberals" don't have the pure hate. They just act exasperated that they can't convince people through a rational argument. But "Conseratives" are "angry" and all they need is boogy man and a line to rally behind.

What if we had Code Pink write for a show with Michael Moore? I'm pretty sure between the two there's enough stupid and fail to mirror O'reily. I don't think it would get anywhere near the audience though. Talent does count for something, even if it's used for evil.

I think Michael Moore is very talented as a film maker. I just wish he'd go back to making vaguely political comedies or atleast informative documentaries about the American condition (Bowling For Columbine was excellent), not propaganda pieces for left wing ideas. I mean, I agree with him on most everything politically, but I don't want to watch a documentary that is perfectly slated to reinforce my beliefs.

bhcompy: As far as influence, I don't know this Morton Downey Jr, but Wally George was the grandfather of that shtick and was hilarious to watch

according to wiki they had an ongoing feud.

The video has been removed though

RemyDuron:

I think Michael Moore is very talented as a film maker. I just wish he'd go back to making vaguely political comedies or atleast informative documentaries about the American condition (Bowling For Columbine was excellent), not propaganda pieces for left wing ideas. I mean, I agree with him on most everything politically, but I don't want to watch a documentary that is perfectly slated to reinforce my beliefs.

Canadian Bacon was funny. Comical takes on the right, Canada, and others. Bowling For Columbine was not a great documentary, because it wasn't a documentary.

bhcompy: RemyDuron:

I think Michael Moore is very talented as a film maker. I just wish he'd go back to making vaguely political comedies or atleast informative documentaries about the American condition (Bowling For Columbine was excellent), not propaganda pieces for left wing ideas. I mean, I agree with him on most everything politically, but I don't want to watch a documentary that is perfectly slated to reinforce my beliefs.

Canadian Bacon was funny. Comical takes on the right, Canada, and others. Bowling For Columbine was not a great documentary, because it wasn't a documentary.

Okay whatever you want to call it. It had great interviews, interesting views, and seemed to genuinely work on flushing out a complex issue, not just breaking it down to "GUNS BAD!"

As apposed to "Bush bad!" and "American health care bad!" of his next two films.

And Canadian Bacon was awesome.

bhcompy: Canadian Bacon was funny.

every time I say that I get yelled at.

"Like maple syrup, Canada's evil oozes over the United States. "

What they share with Fox News is bias, but not style.

You're right, but that's not a good thing for MSNBC.

Fox's style isn't to simply voice conservative opinions in an echo chamber, they'll be the first in line to invite hardcore liberal guests on their shows. What about that ACORN spokesperson from a couple days ago? Doesn't get much more far left than that.

What fox will do is invite these people on the air and then argue with them for a good five minutes. Thats good tv right there.

MSNBC, on the other hand, well take a look at any of their major opinion shows. Olbermann will have some liberal on his show, followed by another liberal.. and if he has a conservative on his show, its because they're writing a tell-all book about the bush administration or something. These people NEVER EVER debate with anyone but like-minded people.

triple:

I wouldn't call the discussions on Fox News "debates". They exist PURELY as entertainment. They have next to no educational value what so ever.

By the way, Acorn is very large community organization that focuses primarily on the needs of the poor. I'm curious how that's a "liberal" thing. I'm sure John McCain is curious too, since he's supported them.

Never trust anyone on TV
not the anchorman
not the weatherman
not the salesman

triple: Fox's style isn't to simply voice conservative opinions in an echo chamber, they'll be the first in line to invite hardcore liberal guests on their shows. What about that ACORN spokesperson from a couple days ago? Doesn't get much more far left than that.

You actually think this is true?

Acorn is very large community organization that focuses primarily on the needs of the poor. I'm curious how that's a "liberal" thing.

Acorn was on because they were advocating trespassing onto foreclosed property and "reclaiming" the homes from the banks. So, you know, you decide for yourself if thats leftist ideology or not.

You actually think this is true?

Feb 26th transcript shows:

1st guest: Dick Morris
2nd guest: Democratic strategist Alicia Menendez
3rd guest: Utah Congressman Rob Bishop
4th guest: Dawn Perlmutter, an expert in ritual murder
5th guest: Megyn Kelly

Lets compare that with Olbermann, same day. (excuse the caps its copy/pasted directly from the transcript)

1st guest: HOWARD FINEMAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST
2nd guest: CHRIS HAYES, THE NATION MAGAZINE
3rd guest: ROBERT REICH, OBAMA CAMPAIGN ADVISOR
4th guest: JANEANE GAROFALO, POLITICAL ACTIVIST
5th guest: AISHA TYLER, COMEDIAN

so yea, to answer your question, I think what I said was true.

Renowned transvestite sexologist: I think some investor out there should make one from scratch and put it on cable. They'd make a killing if they could find "anchors" capable of maintaining the level of "professionalism" necessary to keep the illusion of news, while racking up entertainment points. Give Fox News a run for it's money.

They won't get any advertisers, because corporate media managers have a preference for the flavor of insanity that appeals best to the rabidly pro-business (that is, fascist) policies of their high command.

triple: Acorn is very large community organization that focuses primarily on the needs of the poor. I'm curious how that's a "liberal" thing.

Acorn was on because they were advocating trespassing onto foreclosed property and "reclaiming" the homes from the banks. So, you know, you decide for yourself if thats leftist ideology or not.

You actually think this is true?

Feb 26th transcript shows:

1st guest: Dick Morris
2nd guest: Democratic strategist Alicia Menendez
3rd guest: Utah Congressman Rob Bishop
4th guest: Dawn Perlmutter, an expert in ritual murder
5th guest: Megyn Kelly

Lets compare that with Olbermann, same day. (excuse the caps its copy/pasted directly from the transcript)

1st guest: HOWARD FINEMAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST
2nd guest: CHRIS HAYES, THE NATION MAGAZINE
3rd guest: ROBERT REICH, OBAMA CAMPAIGN ADVISOR
4th guest: JANEANE GAROFALO, POLITICAL ACTIVIST
5th guest: AISHA TYLER, COMEDIAN

so yea, to answer your question, I think what I said was true.

I think your own transcript contradicts you. Fox is fond of putting up people they call Democrats in order to yell at them.