The quarterback is toast!

This sounds kind of like Obama saying the Selma marches in 65 inspired his parents to have him, in 1961.

Is the "lie" that it was days after the storm? The city was flooded for days upon days and rescue efforts by boat went on for a long time. I guess you could think this was a lie if you were totally ignorant of the situation. It was a dud of a speech, but this is just stupid. Okay, so it wasn't "during" the storm itself, but no one is going to send out boats in the middle of a hurricane.

Nabb1: Is the "lie" that it was days after the storm? The city was flooded for days upon days and rescue efforts by boat went on for a long time. I guess you could think this was a lie if you were totally ignorant of the situation. It was a dud of a speech, but this is just stupid. Okay, so it wasn't "during" the storm itself, but no one is going to send out boats in the middle of a hurricane.

Yea, no. You see Jindal said he was in the room with a sheriff when it happened. Turns out he wasn't. He was in a room when the said sheriff was re-telling the story. There is a difference.

Jindal had described being in the office of Sheriff Harry Lee "during Katrina," and hearing him yelling into the phone at a government bureaucrat who was refusing to let him send volunteer boats out to rescue stranded storm victims, because they didn't have the necessary permits. Jindal said he told Lee, "that's ridiculous," prompting Lee to tell the bureaucrat that the rescue effort would go ahead and he or she could arrest both Lee and Jindal.

But now, a Jindal spokeswoman has admitted to Politico that in reality, Jindal overheard Lee talking about the episode to someone else by phone "days later." The spokeswoman said she thought Lee, who died in 2007, was being interviewed about the incident at the time.

This is no minor difference. Jindal's presence in Lee's office during the crisis itself was a key element of the story's intended appeal, putting him at the center of the action during the maelstrom. Just as important, Jindal implied that his support for the sheriff helped ensure the rescue went ahead. But it turns out Jindal wasn't there at the key moment, and played no role in making the rescue happen.

lunchinlewis: This sounds kind of like Obama saying the Selma marches in 65 inspired his parents to have him, in 1961.

Ladies and Gentlemen our first b-b-b-but Obama

pixistick: Yea, no. You see Jindal said he was in the room with a sheriff when it happened. Turns out he wasn't. He was in a room when the said sheriff was re-telling the story. There is a difference.

Did you read the update at the bottom?

UPDATE: I'd initially misunderstood Sellers to be saying Jindal and Lee didn't meet while rescue efforts were still underway. In fact, she said, the conversation took place in the aftermath of the storm, but after the boat incident.

"Bobby and I walked into harry lee's office - he's yelling on the phone about a decision he's already made," Jindal chief of staff Timmy Teepell recalled. "He's saying this is a decision I made, and if you don't like it you can come and arrest me."

Teepell said the exchange took place in the week following Katrina, when Jindal visited Jefferson Parish multiple times.

"He was boots on the ground all the time," he said.

And:

This doesn't seem to bear on the key question. As we said, the key elements of Jindal's story were that he was in Lee's office during the crisis itself, and that his support for the sheriff helped ensure the rescue went ahead. Neither of those things was true, it now seems.

Again, if one thinks the "crisis" had passed after the storm, that's just ignorance. In fact, in the real crisis didn't start until after the storm passed, because that's when the levees broke. The rescue effort took days, and Jindal was down here and deeply and I saw him with my own eyes and heard him on the broadcasts that went up on WWL radio. So, if that's the "lie," then that's pretty weak.

pixistick: Ladies and Gentlemen our first b-b-b-but Obama

You'll get over it.

Nabb1: Did you read the update at the bottom?

Nope. I apologize. I missed that.


So maybe the story is a little exaggerated. No harm, no foul. He's a politician.

Nabb1: Is the "lie" that it was days after the storm?

Lie parts bolded:

During Katrina, I visited Sheriff Harry Lee, a Democrat and a good friend of mine. When I walked into his makeshift office I'd never seen him so angry. He was yelling into the phone: 'Well, I'm the Sheriff and if you don't like it you can come and arrest me!' I asked him: 'Sheriff, what's got you so mad?' He told me that he had put out a call for volunteers to come with their boats to rescue people who were trapped on their rooftops by the floodwaters. The boats were all lined up ready to go - when some bureaucrat showed up and told them they couldn't go out on the water unless they had proof of insurance and registration. I told him, 'Sheriff, that's ridiculous.' And before I knew it, he was yelling into the phone: 'Congressman Jindal is here, and he says you can come and arrest him too!' Harry just told the boaters to ignore the bureaucrats and start rescuing people.

This falls into the exact same category as Sen. Clinton's sniper story: It's a fib. A fib is a kind of lie, like when you insert yourself into a funny story because it works better when told in first person, or when the old vet at the bar recounts his buddies' 'Nam stories as his own.

Sen. Clinton told all of us her fib, though, multiple times on stage in order to present her qualifications and persuade us to vote for her. Gov. Jindal told his fib in front of a national TV audience as a reason for adopting his party's ideology.

pixistick: Nabb1: Did you read the update at the bottom?

Nope. I apologize. I missed that.


So maybe the story is a little exaggerated. No harm, no foul. He's a politician.

A little? Maybe, but not enough to cause a kerfuffle. Jindal was about the only major Louisiana politician in the area to come out with a better reputation after the storm than before it, largely because he was so hands-on around here. Nagin went Colonel Kurtz on us up in the Hilton Hotel, Blanco and Sen. Landrieu looked weepy and helpless, Jefferson pulled Guardsmen off the Superdome to guard his house (and refrigerator, presumably), and Vitter looked like he was wondering when his favorite Canal Street brothel would reopen.

pixistick: Ladies and Gentlemen our first b-b-b-but Obama

First?
Not even close.

BuckTurgidson: Lie parts bolded:

Okay, well, that's your opinion. Frankly it smacks more of what the kids like to call "warrgarbl" or whatever.

unlikely: pixistick: Ladies and Gentlemen our first b-b-b-but Obama

First?
Not even close.

I meant in this thread. At the time I thought there would be a lot more coming and the thread lasting longer. But it seems there is not much of a story.

He made his story more dramatic. My take when I first read it was ha-ha, dumbass. My take on it now is meh.

I must have missed a memo somewhere. From the comments:
Until honest, competent, non-Empirical, libertarian, small gov't, socially progressive, non-evangelical types of Republicans take back the Party, the GOP should get used to the wilderness.

When did Empirical become bad?
Imperial, I could understand.

simplicimus: When did Empirical become bad?

Did you just miss the last eight years of least-common-denominator politics and science bashing?

There I was at 30,000 feet...flack so thick you could walk on it..

Start with any politician that always and only tells the truth. Not counting Ron Paul, who I am more convinced each day, is right.

unlikely: simplicimus: When did Empirical become bad?

Did you just miss the last eight years of least-common-denominator politics and science bashing?

No. Just trying to parse the comment. If we remove both "non"'s, we have Empirical Evangelists as one of the problems with the GOP.

Nabb1: BuckTurgidson: Lie parts bolded:

Okay, well, that's your opinion. Frankly it smacks more of what the kids like to call "warrgarbl" or whatever.

I lost some tags, it looks like. I meant to bold separate parts, that put Jindal in the story in time to cut through the red tape and free the rescue boats on their lifesaving mission despite those meddling bureaucrats.

But you know, you're right, careful parsing, along with the info from Jindal's spokesman, makes it just plausible that's not how he meant the story. Maybe I'm the only one who came away with that impression.

Look, if he were telling this story at a dinner party, it's no big deal that he conflated (or seemed to) two different events, exagerrating his role in them. It's a better story when told that way, even if not exactly how it actually happened. This story, though, was intended to illustrate to America the GOP axiom that government is inherently incompetent, inefficient, and corrupt. Surely he would have had no trouble coming up with stories that don't need embellishment or at least subsequent clarification.

We had a whole day or two of warrgarrbl this week just because right before Jindal spoke, President Obama failed to acknowledge our German automobile-inventing overlords.

Nabb1: pixistick: Yea, no. You see Jindal said he was in the room with a sheriff when it happened. Turns out he wasn't. He was in a room when the said sheriff was re-telling the story. There is a difference.

Did you read the update at the bottom?

UPDATE: I'd initially misunderstood Sellers to be saying Jindal and Lee didn't meet while rescue efforts were still underway. In fact, she said, the conversation took place in the aftermath of the storm, but after the boat incident.

"Bobby and I walked into harry lee's office - he's yelling on the phone about a decision he's already made," Jindal chief of staff Timmy Teepell recalled. "He's saying this is a decision I made, and if you don't like it you can come and arrest me."

Teepell said the exchange took place in the week following Katrina, when Jindal visited Jefferson Parish multiple times.

"He was boots on the ground all the time," he said.

And:

This doesn't seem to bear on the key question. As we said, the key elements of Jindal's story were that he was in Lee's office during the crisis itself, and that his support for the sheriff helped ensure the rescue went ahead. Neither of those things was true, it now seems.

Again, if one thinks the "crisis" had passed after the storm, that's just ignorance. In fact, in the real crisis didn't start until after the storm passed, because that's when the levees broke. The rescue effort took days, and Jindal was down here and deeply and I saw him with my own eyes and heard him on the broadcasts that went up on WWL radio. So, if that's the "lie," then that's pretty weak.


The "crisis" in question was the exact moment that Sheriff Lee (supposedly) had to make a decision to "do the right thing" or cave into the pressure of tyrannical bureaucrats. The difference between being there when it happened, concurring with the Sheriff's on-the-spot assessment of the situation and allowing him to name-drop you to the agency in question when saying "You can just arrest us then" and overhearing a conversation about the "crisis" days later is a fairly large one.

News Flash: Jindal, like Obama and the millions of politicians before them, do not walk on water. They are liars, cheats and self-serving bureaucrats their own selves.


/Then again I thought the Hillary sniper fire story was ghey too
//So what the hell do I know...

BuckTurgidson:
Look, if he were telling this story at a dinner party, it's no big deal that he conflated (or seemed to) two different events, exagerrating his role in them.

Well, if that's how Kos and TPM and the rest of the blogosphere want to portray it, that's up to them, but no one I know around here has spoken of mentioned any inconsistency between what he relayed in that speech and what went on after Katrina. In all honesty, there is more truth in what Jindal said than in what I am reading in Kos and TPM. And as for the Feds, yes, we in New Orleans still consider the federal government a colossal clusterfark, and FEMA still gets mocked in Mardi Gras parades, is still universally reviled, and is even now in the midst of a breaking scandal down here.

pixistick: Nabb1: Did you read the update at the bottom?

Nope. I apologize. I missed that.


So maybe the story is a little exaggerated. No harm, no foul. He's a politician.

so, "it's okay when we do it," right? 'cause i'm sure you let any gore or biden or even obama stories slide, right? riiiight.

FlashHarry: so, "it's okay when we do it," right? 'cause i'm sure you let any gore or biden or even obama stories slide, right? riiiight.

Who is this we?

I voted for Obama and thought his Automobile comment was dumb as well but nothing to get fired up about.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

FlashHarry: pixistick: Nabb1: Did you read the update at the bottom?

Nope. I apologize. I missed that.


So maybe the story is a little exaggerated. No harm, no foul. He's a politician.

so, "it's okay when we do it," right? 'cause i'm sure you let any gore or biden or even obama stories slide, right? riiiight.

Did we read the same thread?

FlashHarry: pixistick: Nabb1: Did you read the update at the bottom?

Nope. I apologize. I missed that.


So maybe the story is a little exaggerated. No harm, no foul. He's a politician.

so, "it's okay when we do it," right? 'cause i'm sure you let any gore or biden or even obama stories slide, right? riiiight.

Well, yeah, you don't expect him to blame both sides equally, right?

GAT_00: Well, yeah, you don't expect him to blame both sides equally, right?

Uh-oh, pixistick, it looks like your about to get hit with the "Fark Independent" tag.

"What, me worry?"

Nabb1: GAT_00: Well, yeah, you don't expect him to blame both sides equally, right?

Uh-oh, pixistick, it looks like your about to get hit with the "Fark Independent" tag.

I think I'll live. Funny how people can't read very well.

Nabb1: And as for the Feds, yes, we in New Orleans still consider the federal government a colossal clusterfark, and FEMA still gets mocked in Mardi Gras parades, is still universally reviled, and is even now in the midst of a breaking scandal down here.

I don't doubt it (though I have not heard of a single Arabian horse having been lost in Katrina.)

I don't dispute the clusterfark, which remains a national disgrace. The point I was focusing on was whether the story he told, and in which he said there is a lesson - a lesson central to his speech - was a true story, or just one that would deliver his intended lesson if it were true.

I'd cut more slack, but he used up all the slack (and more) with the BS about the $8 billion maglev to Vegas, etc.

Now if I want to pay any attention to Jindal I have to painstakingly parse and fact check every statement, and he's just not worth the effort.

pixistick: I think I'll live. Funny how people can't read very well.

Dammit, no I can't. Fark. I should go do something useful.

Nabb1: In all honesty, there is more truth in what Jindal said than in what I am reading in Kos and TPM

So is that the standard now? A little bit true?

Flatulent_Flea: Nabb1: In all honesty, there is more truth in what Jindal said than in what I am reading in Kos and TPM

So is that the standard now? A little bit true?

No, but Kos and TPM are hawking utter BS.

Nabb1: No, but Kos and TPM are hawking utter BS.

Bobby Jindal is the subject here. He's the one on national TV telling this little bit true story.

But I can see how you'd rather talk about someone else.

Nabb1 Is the "lie" that it was days after the storm?


But now, a Jindal spokeswoman has admitted to Politico that in reality, Jindal overheard Lee talking about the episode to someone else by phone "days later."


The lie is that it happened at all. Jindal claimed he was there, now he claims he heard about it afterward. Pretty obviously this is a case of a grandstanding twerp trying to glom on to the accomplishments of other people. Jindal is a joke, everyone knows it.

This is no where near as hilarious and terrible as the sniper fire thing. "Katrina" lasted long past the actual storm.

So?

It isn't like any of you were seriously considering voting for this guy in 4 years...


Right?

RIGHT? My fellow Farkers?

B. Piyush Jindal is a Muslin and a liar!!!

/This according to Mr. A. Hart Coulter

Nabb1: and TPM and the rest of the blogosphere want to portray it, that's up to them, but no one I know around here has spoken of mentioned any inconsistency between what he relayed in that speech and what went on after Katrina. In all honesty, there is more truth in what Jindal said than in what I am reading in Kos and TPM. And as for the Feds, yes, we in New Orleans still consider the federal government a colossal clusterfark, and FEMA still gets mocked in Mardi Gras parades, is still

No there isn't because he lied about the story. I mean, it isn't the end of the world, but to deny he knowingly siad something that didn't happen is a lie.

He wasn't in the office while the sherrif was on the phone and the sheriff didn't say into the phone, "The governor said you can come arrest him too!"

It was a lie to impress. He got busted. He's a poltiician, no big deal.

But to deny he lied is retarded dude.

Aside from the hilariously amateur delivery that will forever link him to Kenneth the Page and the caught lying part, I think Jindal's nationally broadcasted introduction to the American Viewing public was a pretty big success.

Link (new window)

He lied. He made it up. Whatever.

So Basically, Bobby was celebrating the actions of Sean Penn as a true Katrina Hero.

My favorite part of Babaji's widdle speech was how one of the lessons he learned from Katrina was that monitoring programs for other natural disasters are a waste of money.

Komplex: So Basically, Bobby was celebrating the actions of Sean Penn as a true Katrina Hero.

Sean Penn didn't need no permits!

pixistick: So maybe the story is a little exaggerated. No harm, no foul. He's a politician.

A pretty crappy one, if he chooses to fabricate a story for his coming-out party.
But that became obvious when he started opening his mouth, anyway.

But everyone knows reality has a liberal bias....

So much for Slumdog Governor.

Jindal is a great prospect for prez in 2012.

Just like Bush was gonna be the beginning of a 50 year conservative majority.

Ok..honestly? This is what upsets you people? That he beefed up a story?

There was no way in hell I was ever going to vote for a guy who's social programs belong in the 15th century, but I'm not really clutching my pearls because he exaggerated a story.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get ready for my date with Tom Brady.

Typical of the leftist/liberal/Stalinist controlled media. Hillary Clinton tells a made up story, and it gets completely ignored and buried. But let a REPUBLICAN embellish a little for the sake of telling a greater truth, and it's ZOMG!!! Bobby Jindal is a liar!!! All over cable news outlets and on the front page of every news magazine in the country.

Typical.