It's RR list. Don't expect them to know their ass from their elbow.

This got submitted awhile ago and got rejected. I like Robert Plant as much as the next guy, but he really shouldn't be at the top.

the guy that invented heavy metal is only 15?

lulz.

pete and repeat get to submit one thread each. pete submits his, who is left?

doublesecretprobation: the guy that invented heavy metal is only 15?

lulz.

How exactly did Halford invent the genre? Black Sabbath was around long before JP.

Also, #10 is full of fail.

ricewater_stool: How exactly did Halford invent the genre? Black Sabbath was around long before JP.

do your homework. JP were the first metal band.

I read the list quickly and 2 of them are guitar players that don't sing and 2 are women.

doublesecretprobation: ricewater_stool: How exactly did Halford invent the genre? Black Sabbath was around long before JP.

do your homework. JP were the first metal band.

Homework? Ok douchebag, I guess, in your opinion, JP were the first metal band, so you're right. I happen to think you're full of shiat. BS and Deep Purple were the first real heavy metal bands. I don't lump Zep into the genre because they were a lot bluesier..

ricewater_stool: Ok douchebag

that's unnecessary.

JP created the sound and image that became known as heavy metal. everything before it is "hard rock". some people will argue that stuff as far back as hendrix is metal, but it's not. surely at the time deep purple were "metal", but in the grand shakeout they're hard rock just like zep and sabbath.

No John Garcia?

That list is CRAP!

Sorry about the douchebag, but the "do your homework" comment was dismissive and unnecessary. There are a lot of opinions about how HM began. I happen to think the stuff JP did was derivative of what BS and some other British bands did in the early 70s. So I think it's arbitrary to label them as the first real HM band. I don't think extrapolating backwards is really the best way to look at this.

I do like JP, don't get me wrong.

ricewater_stool: I don't think extrapolating backwards is really the best way to look at this.

it's hard to do because you have to keep including stuff. if you include zep you have to include hendrix, and steppenwolf, and uria heep...... and vivaldi. where do you stop? there was a definite line, i.e. "the new wave of british heavy metal" that did away with the blues and mysticism of BS and LZ and added the shred.

you're right though, it's something you get in a fight about at a record store.

HM definitely took a different turn in the 80s. To me it got a lot less melodic and a lot more shreddy, although there was a lot of good stuff. My favorite period is still the mid 70s.

doublesecretprobation: ricewater_stool: I don't think extrapolating backwards is really the best way to look at this.

it's hard to do because you have to keep including stuff. if you include zep you have to include hendrix, and steppenwolf, and uria heep...... and vivaldi. where do you stop? there was a definite line, i.e. "the new wave of british heavy metal" that did away with the blues and mysticism of BS and LZ and added the shred.

you're right though, it's something you get in a fight about at a record store.

Have you listened to Vivaldi? That shiat ROCKS!

I dunno subby, I'm ok with Henry Rollins. Late-period black flag were pretty metal, and so was the first (and better) Rollins Band. Mike Patton I'm pretty accepting of also--he's been in a couple of bands I think fall squarely on the side of heavy metal.

G.G. Allin? Robert Plant? Not metal. Kerry King? Scott Ian? Not frontmen. These are bigger problems.

Response to Roadrunner's botched list (new window)

"Blahblahblah. Everybody's flavour of metal is shiattier than my flavour of metal."

I got an idea, why don't we all come in here and comment on how wrong the list is and how much more correct you are! It would totally rock.

/sarcasm
//metal wasn't invented, it just is

Wendy O'Williams is a man?

Best metal front men lists that miss:



Are completely bogus.

Ozzy isn't #1? Cute list.

Fark U: No Dave Mustaine.

No Page Hamilton.

No Chino Moreno.

No Peter Steele.

Strange. I could have subbed out quite a few on the list for any of these guys.

No Layne Staley.

/+1 for peter steele

TeddyBallGame: Best metal front men lists that miss:

Hell yeah. Apparently these guys have never been to a show.

Klaus Meine of the Scorpions should be on there too. I saw them a couple of time and that little dude was everywhere at once. He's better than Glen Danzig for sure.

Dio at #3 while Alice cooper at #7 and Ozzy at #10 is just retarded and moronic. There is not even room for a valid argument on this

/no love for Tom Araya? really?

I'd cut off the rock/metal boundary between Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. Sabbath had the riffs, they had the atmosphere, the full-band onslaught.

If you let Zeppelin, GnR, etc in - you've basically redefined metal to include most hard rock.

That said, where is Dave Mustaine? Anybody recent who's actually metal? WTF.

Awful awful awful. Did they just count any band that plays with distorted guitars as metal? I wouldn't be surprised if the BeeGees were on there somewhere.

I'd say the list is full of fail, IMHO. I couldn't stand behind anything that doesn't have this guy:



this guy:



this guy:



aaaaaand this guy:

Aerosmith? Farkin' Aerosmith? Since when is Aerosmith metal?

Here's a top five for you:

No. 1: Dickinson.
No. 2: Halford.
No. 3: Ozzy.
No. 4: Layne.
No. 5: Dio.


Any arguments?


/fark RR's list.

doublesecretprobation: ricewater_stool: Ok douchebag

that's unnecessary.

JP created the sound and image that became known as heavy metal. everything before it is "hard rock". some people will argue that stuff as far back as hendrix is metal, but it's not. surely at the time deep purple were "metal", but in the grand shakeout they're hard rock just like zep and sabbath.


Are you kidding? Black Sabbath is so instrumental to the formation of Metal in addition to being the first Doom Metal band ever. If you disagree that they are not Metal, you can head to Metal-Archives and argue with the super elitists there.

I love Judas Priest, but giving them all the credit as the first Metal band just wreaks of fanboyism.

Yeah, totally not Doom Metal at all (new window)

BigSnatch: doublesecretprobation: ricewater_stool: Ok douchebag

that's unnecessary.

JP created the sound and image that became known as heavy metal. everything before it is "hard rock". some people will argue that stuff as far back as hendrix is metal, but it's not. surely at the time deep purple were "metal", but in the grand shakeout they're hard rock just like zep and sabbath.


Are you kidding? Black Sabbath is so instrumental to the formation of Metal in addition to being the first Doom Metal band ever. If you disagree that they are not Metal, you can head to Metal-Archives and argue with the super elitists there.

I love Judas Priest, but giving them all the credit as the first Metal band just wreaks of fanboyism.

Yeah, totally not Doom Metal at all (new window)

QFT.

8. Steven Tyler (Aerosmith)
9. David Lee Roth (Van Halen)
16. Sebastien Bach (Madam X, Skid Row, Frameshift, Damnocracy)
19. Marilyn Manson (Mrs. Scabtree, Marilyn Manson)
are all above
22. Lemmy (Motörhead, The Rockin' Vickers, The Head Cat)?

WHAT THE FARK

BigSnatch: doublesecretprobation: ricewater_stool: Ok douchebag

that's unnecessary.

JP created the sound and image that became known as heavy metal. everything before it is "hard rock". some people will argue that stuff as far back as hendrix is metal, but it's not. surely at the time deep purple were "metal", but in the grand shakeout they're hard rock just like zep and sabbath.


Are you kidding? Black Sabbath is so instrumental to the formation of Metal in addition to being the first Doom Metal band ever. If you disagree that they are not Metal, you can head to Metal-Archives and argue with the super elitists there.

I love Judas Priest, but giving them all the credit as the first Metal band just wreaks of fanboyism.

Yeah, totally not Doom Metal at all (new window)

Agreement.

However, it's become a new fad to say "Go to metal-archives and argue with the elitists there" if someone has an opposing opinion and won't back down. I've seen a few folks use it when they were flat out wrong on a topic, not saying that you are, merely that the site has become a dumping ground for when people get in over their heads with metal discussions. One site does not have every answer in the world, especially when it's based on the collective opinions of folks, even more so when they fail to view the progression of Metal as a tree, each path splitting into more paths.

There are definitely bands that have floated the hard rock/metal lines for years, and in the end you have to weigh their metal against their hard rock, based within the specific time period where applicable.

70s hair metal is still metal, even though there are some bands I find to be absolutely horrible. They are still metal though, not like today's standards, but they're metal.

Summary: Don't lean on Metal-Archives!

Anarchangel: Any arguments?

I'd take off Layne and put on Lemmy. Alice in Chains does absolutely nothing for me.

Other than that, I agree. Although I'd be willing to debate knocking off Ozzy as punishment for his later career and replacing him with Dave Mustaine.

Missing the one frontman with one of greatest and most emotional voices:


/Kerry King? Really? And Scott Ian DOES sing, but rarely and not that great.

AEROSMITH SUCKS!!!! Seriously people. God.

Judas Priest is cool and all, but if you're going to dock points from Ozzy for being old and brain dead (from years of being the definition of metal, mind you) then you should dock points from Judas Priest for having a gay front man.

/Would never be caught dead between Rob Halfords hammer and anvil.

DeathByGeekSquad: . One site does not have every answer in the world, especially when it's based on the collective opinions of folks, even more so when they fail to view the progression of Metal as a tree, each path splitting into more paths.

Agreed. Not to mention that metal archives has various side-projects, and bands who had one qualifying album but not the rest of their career. And Rush, which was basically included simply because they kick ass so hard.

Ok, Rob Zombie had a song called "scum of the earth" but he's not in the band with the same name ...and he's not metal.

DeathByGeekSquad:

Agreement.

However, it's become a new fad to say "Go to metal-archives and argue with the elitists there"


Actually I am the guy on Fark that constantly says "Go to MA" when people argue about genres. The reason that I say that is because I have looked at length at archived threads where Metal-Heads argue about the merits of different music and whether it is Metal (Tool, Led Zep, Nu-Metal, etc) and I think there are some great points in those threads.

There really isn't any better source for determining what makes Metal actually Metal. Most of the "research" out there is done by cultural anthropologists who think that they have Metal figured out in two weeks. MA is the place where all different types of metal-heads have come together to form not only a fan forum, but a giant dictionary of Metal.

Is Metal-Archives always right? No! But the site is very in depth and the forums are filled with intelligent posters and seasoned musicians.

I suppose that instead of just posting "Go to MA" all the time, I could write a few paragraphs every time, but I have so much music to listen to instead!

The archetype. If he ain't #1, it's a bogus list. Nuff said.

destitute college kid: Anarchangel: Any arguments?

I'd take off Layne and put on Lemmy. Alice in Chains does absolutely nothing for me.

Other than that, I agree. Although I'd be willing to debate knocking off Ozzy as punishment for his later career and replacing him with Dave Mustaine.


I can agree with swapping Layne for Lemmy (I'd put Layne at No. 6 in that case). Dave Mustaine sounds like a muppet being strangled, so I guess we have our differences. :P

/love his guitar work though

Er, 5. And Dio would be 6.

Or...maybe not. I don't know.

if you consider Van Der Graaf generator, 1974-1976 era, Metal,
then i'd put my vote in for Peter Hammill. awesome vocalist / frontman.

i think it was Robert Fripp who said "Peter Hammill has done for vocals what Jimi Hendrix did for the guitar".

Maynard is the best metal frontman of all time. No further discussion is necessary on this matter.

what about all three of the jonas brothers!
/there are three, right?

I like how they have "(Argue it if you don't agree!)" on a couple of names that they feel are worth disputing over (like Gene Simmons) and not on the names that they feel are beyond reproach (like Dee Snider).

I was thinking, "Is this a male-only list?" Then I saw a few women on it. But it doesn't have Tarja Turunen, so that's a big letdown.

Too much hard rock on a metal list.

ricewater_stool: doublesecretprobation:

GUYS GUYS!

Black Sabbath has been around since 1968....Priest didnt come on the scene until much much later...er...1969.

I think there's plenty to go around in the metal world and frankly, they are too close together to say "this one came first"

Matt Barlow
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