I await the brickbats of those who insist on a politically correct... view.

Your quote is pulchritudinous, kind sir.

Well, they didn't. Not for their objectives, anyway.

Not condoning what they did, just calling them out for doing it poorly.

hillbillypharmacist: I await the brickbats of those who insist on a politically correct... view.

Your quote is pulchritudinous, kind sir.

No puzzlewit he.

Oh yeah? Well f*ck that guy.

Wait, do conservatards love or hate millionaires this week?

For myself, I side on this -- if not on numerous other issues -- with Gen. Douglas MacArthur.

So does that mean he does, or doesn't think they should have nuked the Chinese seaboard?

Also, for some reason, I find it hard to take someone who uses the term "ChiComs" very seriously.

I just like the use of the word ChiComs. I mean, just say it with me, Chi..Coms. It is hella fun to say, it has that whole high "i" sounds followed by the awesome low pitched "oms" like some sort of Buddhist chant.

Mebbe Chas Freeman is a communist at heart...or at least a communist sympathizer.

submitter: thinks the Chinese did not go far enough at Tiananmen

Actually, he seems to have said they didn't act quickly enough, allowing it to escalate from a situation that could be handled with usual secret police, arrests and disappearances, to one that required tanks and troops and drew and international TV audience.

7of7: Wait, does conservatards Obama love or hate millionaires change, lobbyists, balanced budgets, the war in Iraq, responsibility, hard work, bipartisanship, rights for non-combatants this week? Honestly it is hard to tell

FIFY

There is no way this guy was/is a lobbyist. Obama said he would put people like in his inner circle. So this cant be true! Just more repub-butthurt

Headline: Besides being a millionaire former lobbyist on behalf of the Saudi royal family, Obama's pick for Chairman of the National Council of Intelligence thinks the Chinese did not go far enough at Tiananmen

Well Obama did say he would offer things to Republicans...

The Stealth Hippopotamus: There is no way this guy was/is a lobbyist. Obama said he would put people like in his inner circle. So this cant be true! Just more repub-butthurt

Well, you're right, it is more you-butthurt, since the rules were a year on lobbying. But ignore that, since otherwise, your point is far less valid!

BuckTurgidson: Actually, he seems to have said they didn't act quickly enough, allowing it to escalate from a situation that could be handled with usual secret police, arrests and disappearances, to one that required tanks and troops and drew and international TV audience.

Nonono, he says that they should have handled it like the US:

I cannot conceive of any American government behaving with the ill-conceived restraint that the Zhao Ziyang administration did in China...

He said they should have handled it like we do- riot police that arrested a few hundred people and brutalized a few dozen more in the first hours, before more than a few dozen people got to the square. It would have helped if they had their national police infiltrating the groups sponsoring the protests.

He's still obviously on the side of freedom and liberty.

ChiComs?

Grow up...

Well that email should be enough. Rahm will make sure this guy never sets foot in the White House.

ragekage: Well, you're right, it is more you-butthurt, since the rules were a year on lobbying. But ignore that, since otherwise, your point is far less valid!

so 364 days and they are good. But on that 365th day they are an evil lobbyist. got it

ragekage:
Well, you're right, it is more you-butthurt, since the rules were a year on lobbying. But ignore that, since otherwise, your point is far less valid!

"They won't work in my White House!"

The Stealth Hippopotamus: so 364 days and they are good. But on that 365th day they are an evil lobbyist. got it

Sorry that Obama broke a promise that you made up. You'll get over it.

Interesting position to take. I don't know if he's entirely wrong, in the sense that the Tiananmen Square protests were unsuccessful. So if they weren't going to work, might as well nip them in the bud.

cousin-merle:

Sorry that Obama broke a promise that you made up. You'll get over it.

"They won't work in my White House!" (new window)

Linky this time


"I am running to tell the lobbyists in Washington that their days of setting the agenda are over. They have not funded my campaign. They won't work in my White House." (new window)

If that e-mail was actually from him (their source is The Weekly Standard after all), that's pretty farked up. It's funny he should mention DC's National Mall like we don't let mobs of protestors occupy it. Umm... that's where they have the big DC protests.

patrick767: If that e-mail was actually from him (their source is The Weekly Standard after all), that's pretty farked up. It's funny he should mention DC's National Mall like we don't let mobs of protestors occupy it. Umm... that's where they have the big DC protests.

Having re-read the email, you're right. That's messed up. Disregard my previous post.

Hang On Voltaire: "They won't work in my White House!"

And in your small mind, things Obama said in 2007 supersede everything that came since. You are a sad individual.

The spin is strong with this one.

7of7: Wait, do conservatards love or hate millionaires this week?

"Conservatards"? And I don't think it's the millionaire part that is the crucial element of this article's point. Tell me, when something like that is rattling around your cranium, before it finds its way into your arms, through the fingers, onto your keyboard, and then onto this seemingly limitless ether world we call "the internet," does it actually strike you as an articulate response? Considering "Reason" magazine holds itself out as a libertarian publication, that makes the "conservatard" part doubly puzzling.

Nabb1: Considering "Reason" magazine holds itself out as a libertarian publication, that makes the "conservatard" part doubly puzzling.

Libertarians ARE conservatives.

cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: Considering "Reason" magazine holds itself out as a libertarian publication, that makes the "conservatard" part doubly puzzling.

Libertarians ARE conservatives.

In some respects, yes, in others, they are not. Libertarians have more in common with traditional conservatism than what the GOP has been trying to sell for more than a few years now.

cameroncrazy1984: Libertarians ARE conservatives.

Who consistently vote for Republicans.

cousin-merle: Who consistently vote for Republicans.

By that measure, anarchists and environmental terrorists are Democrats!

This is fun!

cousin-merle:

And in your small mind, things Obama said in 2007 supersede everything that came since. You are a sad individual.

In other words pay no attention to the promises Obama made in the past, pay attention to the new "updated" promises

cousin-merle: cameroncrazy1984: Libertarians ARE conservatives.

Who consistently vote for Republicans.

What about Libertarians who vote Libertarian? Or Green? Or independent? Or disgruntled Republicans who vote Libertarian? Where are those few thousand votes the Libertarians pick up in my state every election coming from? (Actually, it's Louisiana - they could be coming from the cemetery.)

KaponoFor3: By that measure, anarchists and environmental terrorists are Democrats!

This is fun!

Says a libertarian that voted for Bush.

Hang On Voltaire: In other words pay no attention to the promises Obama made in the past, pay attention to the new "updated" promises

Maybe you should have paid attention during 2008, you know, while he was running and before he was elected. I don't have time to catch you up on the whole year. Sufficed to say, Hillary is no longer the front runner.

Nabb1: What about Libertarians who vote Libertarian? Or Green? Or independent? Or disgruntled Republicans who vote Libertarian? Where are those few thousand votes the Libertarians pick up in my state every election coming from?

I'm guessing from bunkers well stocked with K rations.

7of7: Nabb1: What about Libertarians who vote Libertarian? Or Green? Or independent? Or disgruntled Republicans who vote Libertarian? Where are those few thousand votes the Libertarians pick up in my state every election coming from?

I'm guessing from bunkers well stocked with K rations.

K rations? Ye gods, they replaced those with MREs decades ago.

Hang On Voltaire: In other words pay no attention to the promises Obama made in the past, pay attention to the new "updated" promises

I, for one, am glad to have a president that changes his positions when circumstances change as opposed to ignoring facts and reality.

Nabb1: Or disgruntled Republicans who vote Libertarian?

I voted for one Republican this past election. County Judge. He's done a hell of a lot to keep expenses in line while still providing services.

palladiate: BuckTurgidson: Actually, he seems to have said they didn't act quickly enough, allowing it to escalate from a situation that could be handled with usual secret police, arrests and disappearances, to one that required tanks and troops and drew and international TV audience.

Nonono, he says that they should have handled it like the US:

I cannot conceive of any American government behaving with the ill-conceived restraint that the Zhao Ziyang administration did in China...

He said they should have handled it like we do- riot police that arrested a few hundred people and brutalized a few dozen more in the first hours, before more than a few dozen people got to the square. It would have helped if they had their national police infiltrating the groups sponsoring the protests.

He's still obviously on the side of freedom and liberty.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant.

Dancin_In_Anson: Nabb1: Or disgruntled Republicans who vote Libertarian?

I voted for one Republican this past election. County Judge. He's done a hell of a lot to keep expenses in line while still providing services.

The only one I voted for was Cao for the House, well and Ron Paul, but he was on the "Tax Reform Party" ticket, not the GOP. And if anyone wants to argue that I should have voted for Dollar Bill over him, he is a per se farking imbecile.

Lionel Mandrake: ChiComs?

Grow up...

I prefer the term "Celestials", myself.

Nabb1: K rations? Ye gods, they replaced those with MREs decades ago.

I know that. You know that. People who live in bunkers either don't know that or are convinced MREs are a way to secretly turn soldiers into vampires.

7of7: Nabb1: K rations? Ye gods, they replaced those with MREs decades ago.

I know that. You know that. People who live in bunkers either don't know that or are convinced MREs are a way to secretly turn soldiers into vampires.

That explains my aversion to sunlight and affinity for old Coil records after eating those MREs after Katrina.

Then again, I was like that in college, too.

Hang On Voltaire: In other words pay no attention to the promises Obama made in the past, pay attention to the new "updated" promises

So he should never be allowed to change his mind?

WhyteRaven74: So he should never be allowed to change his mind?

No, and especially not before he was even chosen as the nominee.

cousin-merle: No, and especially not before he was even chosen as the nominee.

Scary that that's what some people basically think isn't it?

Also, anyone find it a bit odd someone like this would be writing to a listserv and using a compuserve email? Also nice how there's no evidence offered to show that the person who wrote the email is the person in question, or that the listserv existed etc etc.

Dancin_In_Anson: County Judge. He's done a hell of a lot to keep expenses in line while still providing services.


Hey man...what goes on between you and that Judge is your own business!

Funny, I thought conservatives loved the thuggish use of brute force. That's whole point of the "fark the poor," survival of the fittest mentality.

7of7: Wait, do conservatards love or hate millionaires this week?

Conservatards hate millionaires because they're not one.

Conservatives don't care about millionaires becaue they're part of the society they want.

Liberals hate millionaires becaue not everyone is a millionaire.