FTA: "Nothing that happened last night changed my mind."

Not surprised. Changing what's wrong with Rush Limbaugh's think-box would require the liberal, localized application of high-velocity, explosion-propelled projectiles.

I heard this today at lunch. Rush went on to say that someone had to have told Bobby to speak to 1st graders. That's the only way he would speak like that.


I'll bet Jindal didn't write the speech. He sounded much better on the morning show circuit.

Limbaugh conceded that Jindal did not compete with Obama "stylistically," but he said the Louisiana governor shined in the substance of his speech and his advocacy for conservative principles.

Look, the fat tub of goo didn't say Jindal gave a good speech. He said he agrees with what he said.

Limbaugh conceded that Jindal did not compete with Obama "stylistically," but he said the Louisiana governor shined in the substance of his speech and his advocacy for conservative principles.

"All he did was articulate what we believe. All he did was articulate opposition to Obama," Limbaugh said. "The people on our side are making a real mistake if they go after Bobby Jindal."

"We cannot shun politicians who speak for our beliefs just because we don't like the way he says it," he added.

*sigh* Where to begin?

Advocacy of your principles is fine, but it was supposed to be a response. It was rehashed platitudes. And many of those principles are what lost the GOP the election.

And why is it a mistake to be critical of Jindal's performance? If he's really your rising star, he's going to need training and grooming.

This is why I can't take Rush seriously. It's always unconditional support. Why listen to him? He's entirely predictable. There are no arguments there. Picking your conclusion that "liberal is bad" and working backwards to the topic is not an argument. Nor does it take a great amount of thought or intelligence.

pixistick: I heard this today at lunch. Rush went on to say that someone had to have told Bobby to speak to 1st graders. That's the only way he would speak like that.


I'll bet Jindal didn't write the speech. He sounded much better on the morning show circuit.

That seems to be the consensus here in Louisiana today, even among my liberal friends - That was not Jindal at his best last night.

Nabb1: pixistick: I heard this today at lunch. Rush went on to say that someone had to have told Bobby to speak to 1st graders. That's the only way he would speak like that.


I'll bet Jindal didn't write the speech. He sounded much better on the morning show circuit.

That seems to be the consensus here in Louisiana today, even among my liberal friends - That was not Jindal at his best last night.

Well, he's gonna have to get better at scripted speeches if he's gonna go on a national campaign.

"All he did was articulate what we believe. All he did was articulate opposition to Obama," Limbaugh said.

Yep. That's pretty much their entire belief system at this point.

Empty husk of a party, all the juice sucked out by the fundies. Such a shame.

Lando Lincoln: "All he did was articulate what we believe. All he did was articulate opposition to Obama," Limbaugh said.

Yep. That's pretty much their entire belief system at this point.

Empty husk of a party, all the juice sucked out by the fundies. Such a shame.

DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSE ANYTHING THEY SAY! THIS IS HOW WE WILL ESTABLISH AN IDENTITY!

No it isn't, retards.

I missed limbaugh's show today, as I had to run several errands and just didn't have the time to dedicate to it.

"Everybody trashed Bobby Jindal," Limbaugh said. "I never heard the media, both sides, conservative and liberal, dump on a response like they did last night."

y'know....I'm reminded of an old saying: if you can keep your head while everyone else around you panics, then you have obviously misunderstood the situation! Sorry Rush ole buddy - but I saw Jindal's 'speech' and I couldn't stand it for more than a few minutes at a time. It was clunky, it was NOT even remotely 'conservative'. What I saw was a whiny biatchfest from a guy who seemed to be completely clueless as to his subject.

But hey, that's just me. i'm not a 'big media commentator'. I'm just a guy on a website with an opinion. you just keep right on going with your bad self. i'm sure that you'll organize the dittoheads into an army and keep the Republicans on the straight and narrow and do well in the mid-term congressional elections. Right? of course you will! nothing to worry about at all!

what_now: Limbaugh conceded that Jindal did not compete with Obama "stylistically," but he said the Louisiana governor shined in the substance of his speech and his advocacy for conservative principles.

Look, the fat tub of goo didn't say Jindal gave a good speech. He said he agrees with what he said.

I watched Jindal's speech. I was so disgusted by the BS I didn't even notice the style. His remark that Republicans "went along" with the Democrats and that is what got us in the position we are in and his repeating the old tired and complete BS about Republicans wanting smaller government made me want to upchuck. I swear Republican leaders are like that Iraq spokesman, "Who are you going to believe, us or your lying eyes?".

cameroncrazy1984: Well, he's gonna have to get better at scripted speeches if he's gonna go on a national campaign.

Can't say I would disagree based on what I've heard and seen, especially if the GOP wants him to run against a brilliant orator like Obama. That said, I thought he did well on the "Today" show and seemed much more comfortable.

FAILED POLICY

APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD

I'm quite sure that Mann Coulter and Michelle Malkin were both masturbating furiously during that speech.

I felt like he was trying to talk to grade schoolers. It was beyond awful. I honestly sat and wondered for a minute, when he was done, if he was going to come back on the TV and say "Hey, wait, I was just joshin', here's the real speech..."

did he ask jindal to take the bone out of his nose?

I feel sorry for Jindal. While both he and Obama are/were considered rising stars, nobody paid too much attention to Obama between shortly after the convention speech in 2004 and 2007ish. Being under the radar is a good thing four years before the next presidential election. Jindal will be thoroughly dissected if the RNC keeps putting him in the spotlight. Think how much different Obama's fate would have been if we found out about Wright, Ayers et al in 2005.

pixistick: I heard this today at lunch. Rush went on to say that someone had to have told Bobby to speak to 1st graders. That's the only way he would speak like that.

It shows Jindal knows his audience.

/ducks

NightOwl2255: Iraq spokesman, "Who are you going to believe, us or your lying eyes?".

Groucho Marx, actually. Damn, I wish he was still alive...he'd be a great political commentator.

Weaver95: I missed limbaugh's show today, as I had to run several errands and just didn't have the time to dedicate to it.

Have I ever told you how much I appreciate you doing that for us? I'm pretty sure my blood pressure couldn't take it.

Balrog: Think how much different Obama's fate would have been if we found out about Wright, Ayers et al in 2005.

*Laughs*

Maybe Bobby reminds Rush of a particularly succulent Dominican boy?

darkhorse23: I felt like he was trying to talk to grade schoolers. It was beyond awful.

That weird Mr. Rogers upward-for-the-first-half-of-the-sentence, downward-for-the-second speech inflection is usually the device people use to speak ironically. So for the first 10 minutes or so of the speech, while he was discussing Obama's racial background and ascendancy to the White house, I was waiting for him to break out of it mid-sentence, with "So I say with all due respect: Negro, please" in total deadpan.

I'm not even kidding. I really thought he was setting up that punchline.

Considering how big that bucket of water is that he's carrying for the GOP, I'm surprised he's not back on Oxycontin cause it's gotta be hurting his back.

Pretty sad for a guy who understands showmanship to overlook the lack of it from the so-called "future of the Republican Party."

But this is also the same guy who didn't care that Sarah Palin didn't say anything because she was such a good speaker.

That should be an interesting ticket in 2012: Palin-Jindal. She speaks and says nothing; he says things and can't speak.

what_now: Weaver95: I missed limbaugh's show today, as I had to run several errands and just didn't have the time to dedicate to it.

Have I ever told you how much I appreciate you doing that for us? I'm pretty sure my blood pressure couldn't take it.

I wish I'd actually listened to this one, sounds like Rush is moving along towards his drug relapse right on schedule. I was thinking of starting a betting pool on when he'd have to take a break for rehab...er....sorry 'treatment for exhaustion'.

Oddly enough, considering the tone of Jindal's speech, I am actually surprised by Rush liking it.

Admitting that the GOP has made errors, and needs to earn the trust of the American voter isn't something that I expected Rush to like in the least. Nor the tone of welcoming bi-partisanship either.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Maybe Bobby reminds Rush of a particularly succulent Dominican boy?

i do LOVE that republicans have chosen a drug addicted pederast as their anointed spiritual leader.

FlashHarry: did he ask jindal to take the bone out of his nose?

Hey, it's very hard for Rush these days. his best hope for the survival of the Republican party is a bunch of off white politicos that he would NEVER allow in his country club as anything more than wait staff and ball washers. His stress level has gotta be through the ROOF right now!

hubiestubert: Oddly enough, considering the tone of Jindal's speech, I am actually surprised by Rush liking it.

Admitting that the GOP has made errors, and needs to earn the trust of the American voter isn't something that I expected Rush to like in the least. Nor the tone of welcoming bi-partisanship either.

Rush liked it because we're pretty sure Jindal was speaking ironically. Or he was just bullsh*tting.

It made me wince while he was going through his bio. The info was fine, it just sounded so forced and unnatural. I got all excited when he talked about losing the public's trust, until he decided the reason the Republican party lost America's trust was because they "went along with the Democrats".

DIAF, "Bobby", you were in a Republican-controlled congress and helped to lead all the BS that was going on then. If you owned up to your mistakes, sane people might come back to the Republican party. As it is, they're doomed to obscurity, which ain't a bad thing.

hubiestubert: Oddly enough, considering the tone of Jindal's speech, I am actually surprised by Rush liking it.

Admitting that the GOP has made errors, and needs to earn the trust of the American voter isn't something that I expected Rush to like in the least. Nor the tone of welcoming bi-partisanship either.

Rush doesn't mind other people saying that the Republican party made mistakes. In his mind, it's just a ploy to keep the sheep voting Republican. The Republicans didn't actually screw up, they were betrayed by those evil fiscal conservatives - THEY backstabbed McCain! BURN the traitors, PURGE them by FIRE and send them to the LAKE of BURNING pitch! Can I get an AMEN!? I said - CAN I GET an AMEN!? Ye, my brothers and sisters do NOT dispair! Surely the LAIRD will protect his CHOSEN ones!

*ahem*

Sorry. Analyzing Limbaugh always ends with me channeling a certain radio preacher from the 1930's.

ragekage: It made me wince while he was going through his bio. The info was fine, it just sounded so forced and unnatural. I got all excited when he talked about losing the public's trust, until he decided the reason the Republican party lost America's trust was because they "went along with the Democrats".

Yeah, but that's not unexpected. What passes for leadership in the Republican party these days really does believe that moderate and/or fiscal conservatives are backstabbing spineless losers who cost them the white house. It's not true of course, but the religious fanatics can't admit that they're the f*ck ups who cost the Republicans the election.

I *do* like how he brought up how badly the Whig party screwed up the Katrina situation, and how we should totally pay more attention to potential natural disasters.

what_now: I *do* like how he brought up how badly the Whig party screwed up the Katrina situation, and how we should totally pay more attention to potential natural disasters.

Except volcanoes, for some reason.

Balrog: Think how much different Obama's fate would have been if we found out about Wright, Ayers et al in 2005.

He would be Secretary of State under Hillary?

cameroncrazy1984: Except volcanoes, for some reason.

Sarcasm. I has it.

Balrog: Think how much different Obama's fate would have been if we found out about Wright, Ayers et al in 2005.

I was thinking the same thing, except for a few factors that are different between now and then. The Democrats weren't quite in the shambles that the Republicans find themselves in right now. There's basically nobody in the Republican party of note except Palin and Jindal for the foreseeable future. There were other, crappier Democrats for Obama to hide within from 2005 to 2009 that would have downplayed anything that muddied him back them to now. We're all also getting more savvy about finding dirt on our own from a few years ago on the internet and then blogging about it to drive popular media (look at how many bonafide news articles came out of nowhere regarding viral Facebook notes) than 4 years ago when the electorate was still more responsive to the news presented than motivating what is covered. Someone in 2011 will bring up Jindal's YouTube video from this performance if he starts to run whereas I doubt it would have been found as easily on the internet from 2003 if Obama had sucked wind at the DNC or had mud slung at him.

what_now: cameroncrazy1984: Except volcanoes, for some reason.

Sarcasm. I has it.

So do I.

what_now: cameroncrazy1984: Except volcanoes, for some reason.

Sarcasm. I has it.

sarcasm aside, i'm wondering how much longer Rush will remain relevant. I've been hearing rumors that Limbaugh's arbitron rankings are dropping off from 2008 and he's already got issues with his 2009 data. A quick and dirty google search returns confusing opinions and little hard data but I'll keep looking.

If Limbaugh really IS losing market share then it's a good sign that the faction he represents will lose power over the Republican party as well.

what_now: I *do* like how he brought up how badly the Whig party screwed up the Katrina situation, and how we should totally pay more attention to potential natural disasters.

That whole "Maybe we should spend LESS time monitoring volcanoes and MORE time monitoring our spending" line, clever though he may have thought it sounded, really is just a perfectly concise microcosm of why the Republicans are the party of lunacy right now. "Why spend wasteful money on keeping Americans employed? The free market will end up taking care of it anyway. Why spend money monitoring volcanoes? They'll just blow up anyway, no matter what." It's like they can't bring themselves to support anything that doesn't come from blind, chaotic chance.

Weaver95: If Limbaugh really IS losing market share then it's a good sign that the faction he represents will lose power over the Republican party as well.

Cross your f*cking fingers. It will take a real sea change to bring them back from the grave. With precious few exceptions, the Republicans are bitterly clinging to the nutballs, the last demographic who supports them.

ju66l3r: There's basically nobody in the Republican party of note except Palin and Jindal for the foreseeable future.

In baseball terms, even if Jindal hit a home run, they still would have lost, so they should just rest him for a year or so. Why risk a career-ending injury for a rising star when they have no chance of making the playoffs for a while.

Weaver95: If Limbaugh really IS losing market share then it's a good sign that the faction he represents will lose power over the Republican party as well.

But which group is getting the share? Are these people shifting towards Michael Smerconish (reality based conservatism) or Michael Savage (crazy and off meds conservatism)?

Code_Archeologist: Weaver95: If Limbaugh really IS losing market share then it's a good sign that the faction he represents will lose power over the Republican party as well.

But which group is getting the share? Are these people shifting towards Michael Smerconish (reality based conservatism) or Michael Savage (crazy and off meds conservatism)?

I don't know. The arbitron data i've been able to find has either been incomprehensible or inaccessible without paying a fee.

I also don't hear a lot of rushbo fans preaching about how Rush continues to dominate the market either. Rush himself has been quiet about his marketing data, but that's to be expected.

Senescent Dawn: Weaver95: If Limbaugh really IS losing market share then it's a good sign that the faction he represents will lose power over the Republican party as well.

Cross your f*cking fingers. It will take a real sea change to bring them back from the grave. With precious few exceptions, the Republicans are bitterly clinging to the nutballs, the last demographic who supports them.

Either the Republicans admit they made a mistake and whack the nutballs on the nose with a rolled up newspaper, or they face the end of the Republican party. It's finally gotten THAT bad for them. with the loss of the fiscal conservatives and this new found political fanaticism and intolerance for even mildly differing ideals, the Republicans won't have sufficient funds to hold on to what they've got now, let alone fight the Democrats for control of Congress.

Balrog: ju66l3r: There's basically nobody in the Republican party of note except Palin and Jindal for the foreseeable future.

In baseball terms, even if Jindal hit a home run, they still would have lost, so they should just rest him for a year or so. Why risk a career-ending injury for a rising star when they have no chance of making the playoffs for a while.

The losing team always plays its stars. Maybe it's for practice (some Repubs could really use this now), maybe it's punishment for having still lost even for being stars (why I have to imagine they keep letting Palin talk now), maybe it's because the stars are so full of themselves that they deluded themselves into imagining themselves hitting a 9-run homer to win the game (Jindal?).

In the end, I tend to agree with your original sentiment that this one gaffed speech will not lead to much of a difference in 2012 if Jindal does choose to step up. What I would hope will gain more traction is his ridiculous stance on Creationism and education policy if he were to choose to make himself a national player.

Weaver95: Code_Archeologist: Weaver95: If Limbaugh really IS losing market share then it's a good sign that the faction he represents will lose power over the Republican party as well.

But which group is getting the share? Are these people shifting towards Michael Smerconish (reality based conservatism) or Michael Savage (crazy and off meds conservatism)?

I don't know. The arbitron data i've been able to find has either been incomprehensible or inaccessible without paying a fee.

I also don't hear a lot of rushbo fans preaching about how Rush continues to dominate the market either. Rush himself has been quiet about his marketing data, but that's to be expected.

Who are his advertisers these days? The quickest way to tell the health of a program is the number of "PI" or "Paid Inquiry" spots. That means the radio station cannot sell the ad time to actual local or national advertisers, but instead are essentially gambling that the spot time will result in a sale of the product, since only if there is a sale will the station get any cash.

Weaver95: Code_Archeologist: Weaver95: If Limbaugh really IS losing market share then it's a good sign that the faction he represents will lose power over the Republican party as well.

But which group is getting the share? Are these people shifting towards Michael Smerconish (reality based conservatism) or Michael Savage (crazy and off meds conservatism)?

I don't know. The arbitron data i've been able to find has either been incomprehensible or inaccessible without paying a fee.

I also don't hear a lot of rushbo fans preaching about how Rush continues to dominate the market either. Rush himself has been quiet about his marketing data, but that's to be expected.

As much as I would like for that worthless tub of goo to go away, I know in July of last year, he signed an 8 year deal worth $400 million, with at least $100 million up front. With Rush it's not so much the number of listeners, it's the wealth and spending habits of his listeners.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Who are his advertisers these days? The quickest way to tell the health of a program is the number of "PI" or "Paid Inquiry" spots. That means the radio station cannot sell the ad time to actual local or national advertisers, but instead are essentially gambling that the spot time will result in a sale of the product, since only if there is a sale will the station get any cash.

Ah, radio. Good times.

Senescent Dawn: Weaver95: If Limbaugh really IS losing market share then it's a good sign that the faction he represents will lose power over the Republican party as well.

Cross your f*cking fingers. It will take a real sea change to bring them back from the grave. With precious few exceptions, the Republicans are bitterly clinging to the nutballs, the last demographic who supports them.

Don't count on that. Rush will modify his message sooner than lose all of his listener base.

MaxxLarge: localized application of high-velocity, explosion-propelled projectiles.

Or being the passenger in a car driven by Nick Hogan

NightOwl2255:
As much as I would like for that worthless tub of goo to go away, I know in July of last year, he signed an 8 year deal worth $400 million, with at least $100 million up front.

christ, that's just obscene.