I didn't see it because I had other obligations, but I hope he rocked the house last night.

I lost interest after the "america invented the automobile" remark.

I was hoping he was going to blow the roof off the muthafarker, but sadly, he only turned the mutha out.

Dread Pirate Slasher: I lost interest after the "america invented the automobile" remark.

He said that?

A national poll indicates that two-thirds of those who watched President Barack Obama's address to a joint session of Congress on Tuesday night had a very positive reaction to his speech.

Um, they only polled 484 people.

Every picture from this speech makes me want to smack Nancy Pelosi. I only voted for her for hometown advantage and because the other choice sucked more.

pixistick: Dread Pirate Slasher: I lost interest after the "america invented the automobile" remark.

He said that?

That is a common misconception, because while a German invented the automobile, it was an American that created the process to mass produce it and thus made it a ubiquitous transportation device.

Only time will tell if Obama's policies will turn this country around or not, but damn, it was refreshing to see someone at that podium with a command of the English language.

Code_Archeologist: That is a common misconception, because while a German invented the automobile, it was an American that created the process to mass produce it and thus made it a ubiquitous transportation device.

No, I understand that part, but I wanted to know if he actually said that Americans invented the automobile.

dudemanbro: Um, they only polled 484 people.

How dare they claim that Americans liked the speech without asking all 300,000,000 of them.

I heard he was hepped up on Canadian baked goods.

pixistick: Code_Archeologist: That is a common misconception, because while a German invented the automobile, it was an American that created the process to mass produce it and thus made it a ubiquitous transportation device.

No, I understand that part, but I wanted to know if he actually said that Americans invented the automobile.


Yeah, he said, "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it." He should have said the nation that invented the mass production of the automobile to be factually correct, but that would not have rolled off the tongue as well.

He said he'd work to end farm subsidies.

Farkin' A!!!

He just...what's the word? Oh yeah. He "misspoke".

dudemanbro: Um, they only polled 484 people.

Statistics is your friend.

/I get an error of

Dread Pirate Slasher: I lost interest after the "america invented the automobile" remark.

Define "shallow"

pixistick: He said that?

Regarding the auto industry, "The country that invented the automobile will not abandon the industry" or something like that. The point was "We won't let it collapse." I have seen a lot of people trying to make hay out of the turn of phrase, but if that's honestly the most troubling thing in that speech, then you're either content with everything else or completely neurotic. Whether we invented the thing or just invented the mass manufacture thereof, it doesn't change the point of the rhetoric.

I am personally much more concerned with how he plans to fund some of the amazing things he talked about (free education through a bachelor's degree?) than I am about some extremely minor error in trivia.

As far as the cars thing, how to put this. I don't care who invented it, I want to know why I'm about to own a huge stake in a company that can't compete viably. Maybe, just maybe, if GM and Chrysler or whoever else is on the brink manage to fail, someone with a viable product will rise from the ashes and bring to market a product that doesn't suck. Those companies have used their united market dominance to crush newcomers for a very long time (Example: The Tucker) and it kind of boggles me that we are suddenly subsidizing that business model.

unlikely: turn of phrase

Turn of phrase?

SchlingFocker: Turn of phrase?

I'm not sure what you're asking, so here's a link to what "turn of phrase" means. (new window)

beerrun: Only time will tell if Obama's policies will turn this country around or not, but damn, it was refreshing to see someone at that podium with a command of the English language.

Is it not also refreshing to feel like we're having an adult conversation, instead of Daddy lecturing his kids?

unlikely: SchlingFocker: Turn of phrase?

I'm not sure what you're asking, so here's a link to what "turn of phrase" means. (new window)

I was making a Family Guy reference :)

stargazer101: Is it not also refreshing to feel like we're having an adult conversation, instead of Daddy lecturing his kids?

If we're going to be bent over and reamed with another bailout package, I'm glad it's being done by someone who can actually speak well.

SchlingFocker: I was making a Family Guy reference :)

I missed it entirely. Must have missed that episode. Hey, fair's fair; I made with the wiki link, how about some Hulu love? :-D

Dancin_In_Anson: He just...what's the word? Oh yeah. He "misspoke".

It was a speech, not a business class.

"And I believe the nation that perfected mass production of the automobile after it was invented by Germany who maintained a craft production mentality cannot walk away from it."

Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

unlikely: SchlingFocker: I was making a Family Guy reference :)

I missed it entirely. Must have missed that episode. Hey, fair's fair; I made with the wiki link, how about some Hulu love? :-D

Sorry, dude. I can't remember which episode it was :(

Diogenes: It was a prepared speech

Dancin_In_Anson: He just...what's the word? Oh yeah. He "misspoke".

Facts, schmacts, as long as it sounds good, what's the big deal? You know the old saying about what to do with a bad piece of meat: "If you can't sell the steak, then you've got to sell the sizzle."

Dancin_In_Anson: He just...what's the word? Oh yeah. He "misspoke".

No, he said it intentionally. He either deliberately said it because it sounds better or had the facts of who invented the automobile wrong. Either way, that isn't the reason he wants to bailout the auto industry so I don't see why it matters.

Dancin_In_Anson: Diogenes: It was a prepared speech

Hairs, splitting them you are.

This is really the same petty shiat that helped lose the GOP the election.

Does him saying that autos were invented in the US change anything? Anything at all?

If you want to pick apart policy proposals or positions on key issues, go right ahead. But when the only big criticism is "OMG I wiki'd cars and they were invented in Germany you are so dumb Obama" it just looks sad.

Nabb1: Dancin_In_Anson: He just...what's the word? Oh yeah. He "misspoke".

Facts, schmacts, as long as it sounds good, what's the big deal? You know the old saying about what to do with a bad piece of meat: "If you can't sell the steak, then you've got to sell the sizzle."

Are you really outraged by this or are you just trolling?

Ryan2065: Nabb1: Dancin_In_Anson: He just...what's the word? Oh yeah. He "misspoke".

Facts, schmacts, as long as it sounds good, what's the big deal? You know the old saying about what to do with a bad piece of meat: "If you can't sell the steak, then you've got to sell the sizzle."

Are you really outraged by this or are you just trolling?

It's a joke, Chuckles. Don't get your knickers in a twist. There is a wide range between outrage and trolling. Consider it somewhere in between in that happy place we call "snark."

Ryan2065: outraged

Outraged? Heh. Call it 'amused'. Even more so with all of the rationalizations.

Actually, an American designed and applied for a patent before Benz, but the prototype didn't get built.

Anyway, it's an incredibly trivial point.

Ryan2065: Are you really outraged by this or are you just trolling?


Ha-ha-hahahahahaha! I'm gonna love the next four years. The next four years. The next four years. Gonna watch looney batshiat insane Republicans have a nuclear meltdown. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

I wonder which Farker will have the first aneurysm?

Nabb1: It's a joke, Chuckles. Don't get your knickers in a twist. There is a wide range between outrage and trolling. Consider it somewhere in between in that happy place we call "snark."

Dude, when you criticize The Messiah, you better expect the Paladins to come charging in, swinging their swords with righteous fury.

In other news, Bobby Jindal began and ended his quest for the presidency.

Damn, was that painful.

Dancin_In_Anson: Diogenes: It was a prepared speech

What difference does that make?

I thought it was a good speech. Hit the right notes...outlined some ambitious concepts.

Even my husband, who votes R more often than D thought Obama did a good job.

Funny, I still don't feel stimulated.

SchlingFocker: Dude, when you criticize The Messiah





Bush?

Nabb1: It's a joke, Chuckles. Don't get your knickers in a twist. There is a wide range between outrage and trolling. Consider it somewhere in between in that happy place we call "snark."

Dancin_In_Anson: Outraged? Heh. Call it 'amused'. Even more so with all of the rationalizations.

Ah, alright, it was actually a serious question. You can never tell with you two.

Diogenes: What difference does that make?

Evidentially none whatsoever. I guess from now on when we listen to him give prepared speeches, we need to check back here to find out what he meant and not what he said. Will you be so kind as to start the thread for us? I suggest something like this:

Today's Obama speech translation. It's not what he said, it's what he meant to say. (0)

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SchlingFocker: He said he'd work to end farm subsidies.

Farkin' A!!!

I can't tell whether you think this is good or bad.

I think it's good-- in terms of the large, factory farms.

Obdicut: I can't tell whether you think this is good or bad.

I think it's good-- in terms of the large, factory farms.

I think this is great. There's no reason for the federal government to be using taxpayer dollars to subsidize profitable farms and inhibit importation of alternative crops.

Dancin_In_Anson: Diogenes: What difference does that make?

Evidentially none whatsoever. I guess from now on when we listen to him give prepared speeches, we need to check back here to find out what he meant and not what he said. Will you be so kind as to start the thread for us? I suggest something like this:

Today's Obama speech translation. It's not what he said, it's what he meant to say. (0)

Grapes so sour, they'd be unfit for vinegar.

Obdicut: I can't tell whether you think this is good or bad.

You know why the bill of a cotton farmer's gimme cap is so scrunched?

It from pokin' his head in the mailbox looking for his government check.