Can I get a transfer, man?

Goddammitsomuch.

Too bad. That dude went on to pumpkin farming and getting a redneck from hangin out its Hicksville, Randomtown. Adios, guitargod

monkeydoodledandy: Can I get a transfer, man?

Sure.
That'll be $.95 please.

I don't see what the big deal about Jim Martin is. FNM has always been Roddy, Mike, and Billy's band. King for a Day is just as good as any of the albums with Jim, and Album of The Year is good too.

The "Everything's Ruined" video is sweet.

NorCalLos: I don't see what the big deal about Jim Martin is. FNM has always been Roddy, Mike, and Billy's band. King for a Day is just as good as any of the albums with Jim, and Album of The Year is good too.

The "Everything's Ruined" video is sweet.

You've obviously never heard Angel Dust.

Cue the nonsensical statements featuring FNM song titles.

every god for himself: monkeydoodledandy: Can I get a transfer, man?

Sure.
That'll be $.95 please.

Fark you, I'll skate to the beach and I'll look better getting there!

/Hung out with them once during the Mosley days. Jim was pretty freakin' scary, and Chuck rang up a pretty big long distance call on our phone.

chz668: NorCalLos: I don't see what the big deal about Jim Martin is. FNM has always been Roddy, Mike, and Billy's band. King for a Day is just as good as any of the albums with Jim, and Album of The Year is good too.

The "Everything's Ruined" video is sweet.

You've obviously never heard Angel Dust.

Angel Dust is THE Faith No More album.

chz668: NorCalLos: I don't see what the big deal about Jim Martin is. FNM has always been Roddy, Mike, and Billy's band. King for a Day is just as good as any of the albums with Jim, and Album of The Year is good too.

The "Everything's Ruined" video is sweet.

You've obviously never heard Angel Dust.

I bought Angel Dust the day it came out. It was my favorite album for quite a while. I still love it, but it sounds much more dated and is much less dynamic than King for a Day. Angel Dust is a bit overproduced.

Faith No More died hard when Martin left. Alas, at least we have The Real Thing and Angel Dust. RIPFNM

NorCalLos: King for a Day is just as good as any of the albums with Jim, and Album of The Year is good too.

I'm sorry but this is incorrect.

faith no more stopped being a guitar band after The Real Thing, after angel dust everybody just remembered jim because he was funny looking. it really is roddy, mike, and billy's band.

the heaviness comes mostly from the interplay between the bass player and the drummer. on angel dust especially. on land of sunshine and midlife crisis there are practically no guitar parts to speak of, and when you listen to them live with the guitars... like... doing stuff.. during the verses it sounds weird.

but there were no facemelting solos after the real thing, and no insane riffage either. just TEH RAWK.

like Tool, but with taste.

also, album of the year and king for a day are exactly as good or better as angel dust, and the real thing kind of sucked. angel dust is certainly their masterpiece but patton just kept getting more and more talented and amazing as they went.

this is canon, quit being dumb. it's ok, you can like their later stuff. no one will think less of you.

Jim Martin isn't returning to Faith No More?

Who could possibly replace him?

Gee, I don't know, hundreds, possibly thousands.

It's not like he is the Martin of Martin Guitars, folks.

An average band like FNM can easily find a replacement average guitarist to play their average music on tour.

AdolfOliverPanties: An average band like FNM can easily find a replacement average guitarist to play their average music on tour.

If by "average" you mean "the most influential band of the mid-late 90s," I don't disagree with you.

maybe by "average" he means not that great of a guitar player or guitar parts simple enough any halfway competent guitar player could play it.


FNM is still my favorite band.

maybe by "average" he means not that great of a guitar player or guitar parts simple enough any halfway competent guitar player could play it.


That's pretty much it. I do disagree with FNM being influential. What did they influence? Are they responsible for the glut of shiat music since the 90s? What band was influenced by them? And when you answer that, ask yourself, is that a positive?

For a band being so influential, how come people for the most part can only name ONE song, and even then probably don't know the name of it. (They did that "You want it all and you can't have it song...")

AdolfOliverPanties: For a band being so influential, how come people for the most part can only name ONE song, and even then probably don't know the name of it. (They did that "You want it all and you can't have it song...")

I would say you are hanging out with very lame people if that's the case.

AdolfOliverPanties: maybe by "average" he means not that great of a guitar player or guitar parts simple enough any halfway competent guitar player could play it.


That's pretty much it. I do disagree with FNM being influential. What did they influence? Are they responsible for the glut of shiat music since the 90s? What band was influenced by them? And when you answer that, ask yourself, is that a positive?

For a band being so influential, how come people for the most part can only name ONE song, and even then probably don't know the name of it. (They did that "You want it all and you can't have it song...")

...but you said the guitarist was average and the band was average. Don't change your story. Regarding them being influential, the argument that most people could only name one song is weak. How many songs do you think most people could name by The Ramones, The Clash, The Melvins? If your band sounds like nothing before it and almost everything that comes after it for 10-15 years sounds like it, you are influential. I could mention names, but then you'd say "that band sucks." That doesn't mean FNM wasn't influential.

I will point out, as I did in a previous FNM thread, that there is a weird dichotomy regarding FNM/Bungle/Patton. Everyone seems to worship Patton, but hate Nu-Metal which he is single-handedly responsible for creating.

Well, that's probably true, but still, my question goes to the comment of them being the "most influential band of the 90s."

I can think of several bands from that era that, for better or worse, are more influential than FNM. Jane's Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Black Crowes, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains...

You can argue if these bands are better/worse than FNM, but I don't think you can argue successfully than ANY of them are less influential than FNM. Quite the opposite.

I guess I am non-plussed over the entire concept of FNM being influential at all. They were never that good to begin with.

AdolfOliverPanties: Well, that's probably true, but still, my question goes to the comment of them being the "most influential band of the 90s."

I can think of several bands from that era that, for better or worse, are more influential than FNM. Jane's Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Black Crowes, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains...

You can argue if these bands are better/worse than FNM, but I don't think you can argue successfully than ANY of them are less influential than FNM. Quite the opposite.

I guess I am non-plussed over the entire concept of FNM being influential at all. They were never that good to begin with.

You're not serious, are you? The Black Freaking Crowes? I like them, especially the first two albums, but how can playing standards blues/rock be considered influential? Who did they influence, Buckcherry? Jane's was influential. Chilis influenced FNM and Bungle. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, AIC were influential together. None of those bands single-handedly inspired a generation to be creative.

AdolfOliverPanties: maybe by "average" he means not that great of a guitar player or guitar parts simple enough any halfway competent guitar player could play it.


That's pretty much it. I do disagree with FNM being influential. What did they influence? Are they responsible for the glut of shiat music since the 90s? What band was influenced by them? And when you answer that, ask yourself, is that a positive?

For a band being so influential, how come people for the most part can only name ONE song, and even then probably don't know the name of it. (They did that "You want it all and you can't have it song...")

influential to musicians. mike patton informs the style of many, many singers. trent reznor, maynard, jonathan davis (voice like a nutsac, in a terrible band, but he tries), etc. all use vocal techniques that he pioneered.

the band itself isn't that good, it's the songwriting and the presentation. that balance between overproduced and stripped down, overplaying and oversimplifying like progressive punk jazz metal, has been imitated countless times.

musicians and listeners are different markets, and contemporary musicians know mike patton's bands.

FNM/Soundgarden/Voivoid
/Best
//Tour
///Ever

NorCarLos,

We can agree to disagree. I think FNM is average at best. Patton is nasally and whiny, IMO.

However, you writing the following:

None of those bands single-handedly inspired a generation to be creative.

may be the most unintentionally funny thing I have ever read on Fark.

Fan of hyperbole are ya?

So, you're saying one of those bands did single-handedly inspire a generation to be creative? Seriously, apparently I am a fan of using hyperbole to make a point, which is its correct use.

It isn't about agreeing or disagreeing. You said the band wasn't influential and you are wrong.

I shall no longer indulge your childish shenanigans.

I don't find them influential, no. I don't even find them entertaining. They added a bit more metal to what the Chili Peppers were already doing. Whoop-de-farking-doo.

But I especially don't consider them "the most influential band of the 90s."

You have said that you consider them the most influential band of the 90s and that they singlehandedly inspired an entire generation to be creative.

Since you don't see how ridiculously overblown that is, then I am done with you as well.

Can't some US festival offer them enough money to change their minds on no US shows? I can see not wanting to do a whole tour, but a few big festivals isn't too much to ask if they're doing a UK tour.

STATION!

Didn't the rest of the band loathe Jim Martin? That might explain why he wasn't invited.

Get Eric Johnson instead.

/What could result from a tour of Mike Patton working on EJ's fragile nice guy brain could be Nicola Tesla-like awesome...or catastrophic

i remembered king for a day being abysmal so i listened to it today and amazingly-it was still a tragic piece of garbage. album of the year is slightly better but still terrible. i cannot believe some of you like that craptastic garbage over angel dust.

as far as patton 'creating' nu metal. are you retarded? what patton material can you point to that is responsible for that? he 'kinda' rapped on 'epic'. thats about it. same for the chili peppers comparisons. there is nothing remotely funky about FNM, and they never sounded at all like the chili peppers.

finally, for the 'patton is whiny and nasally' guy-you are right if youre talking about the only song youve ever heard from them(which is kinda obvious). for the last 12 or so years hes actually evolved into one of the greatest singers of our time, you might educate yourself and check some of that out.