There are hundreds of town cars that idle for hours waiting to pick up executives at the end of business hours.

Many of them choose to use the no parking zones near schools to wait.

Add to that the fact that NYC has many "ends of business hours" and it creates an almost 24 hour problem.

Some one needs to hire a Meteorologist in NYC, I don't think that the AIR knows where a School Zone ends and Begins, I am pretty sure that car exhaust does not either.

And this is stupid how?

Dinki: And this is stupid how?

I bet you support the smoking bans as well, and just about every other UnAmerican Liberty Taking power grab by the government as well

BAN EVERYTHING! BAN IT ALL!

The_Ancient: Dinki: And this is stupid how?

I bet you support the smoking bans as well, and just about every other UnAmerican Liberty Taking power grab by the government as well

no kidding. why would anyone want to restrict smoking and excessive idling near schools. commies!

It's not really that stupid, I'll bet that idling engines make up a pretty big percentage of city air pollution.

Idling a car is burning money. Unless you need to stay warm/cool, there's no other purpose to it.

The_Ancient: Dinki: And this is stupid how?

I bet you support the smoking bans as well, and just about every other UnAmerican Liberty Taking power grab by the government as well

So, how in the name of Zeus' butthole do you figure letting a car idle is some sort of Right™ guaranteed to you by the founding fathers? "Liberty Taking Power Grab"? You need to lighten up, Francis. All this does is put less smog in the air, and hopefully save some people gas money. What possible inconvenience is it to shut off a farking motor? I just hope the law applies to cop cars in NYC as well.

I bet you support the smoking bans as well, and just about every other UnAmerican Liberty Taking power grab by the government as well

Smoking bans -- pfffft. The government needs to stop regulating everything that's irritating and cancerous. We need to get back to the days when I could squat down in the middle of the street and pinch off a big loaf. It's not like it's hurting anyone else. We need to get back to freedom and liberty -- hey, is that corn? Let freedom squeeze!

i wonder if subby has ever driven in NYC..

So, how in the name of Zeus' butthole do you figure letting a car idle is some sort of Right™ guaranteed to you by the founding fathers?

Technically, the founding fathers didn't mean for the Constitution to be perceived as "granting" us rights; rather, it is meant to limit the powers of the government.

I suspect that this will be clarified within our lifetimes.

FilmBELOH20: The_Ancient: Dinki: And this is stupid how?

I bet you support the smoking bans as well, and just about every other UnAmerican Liberty Taking power grab by the government as well

So, how in the name of Zeus' butthole do you figure letting a car idle is some sort of Right™ guaranteed to you by the founding fathers? "Liberty Taking Power Grab"? You need to lighten up, Francis. All this does is put less smog in the air, and hopefully save some people gas money. What possible inconvenience is it to shut off a farking motor? I just hope the law applies to cop cars in NYC as well.

The Governments job is not a save me money, or protect me from myself, If I want to leave my car on 24/7/365 it should be my choice, if I want to wear a seat belt again my choice... If I own a bar and want to allow smoking in it MY CHOICE, if I own a bar and want to prohibit smoking MY CHOICE,

see the theme here, MY CHOICE, not the governments

The Governments job is not a save me money, or protect me from myself, If I want to leave my car on 24/7/365 it should be my choice, if I want to wear a seat belt again my choice... If I own a bar and want to allow smoking in it MY CHOICE, if I own a bar and want to prohibit smoking MY CHOICE,

see the theme here, MY CHOICE, not the governments

Absolutely agree 100%! It's MY RIGHT to do what I WANT ALWAYS.

I'm part of the "Free shiatters Society" which advocates for shiatting wherever and whenever it's convenient despite what those government Nazis tell us. You may wish to join.

The_Ancient: If I want to leave my car on 24/7/365 it should be my choice, if I want to wear a seat belt again my choice... If I own a bar and want to allow smoking in it MY CHOICE, if I own a bar and want to prohibit smoking MY CHOICE,

I agree with the bar owner thing, but if you want to leave your car idling all day YOUR CHOICE can affect OTHER PEOPLE. I say ban everything without written permission from the government.

FTFA ....."NEW YORK - The fumes from idling taxicabs and delivery trucks can be so bad outside city schools that teachers race to close their classroom windows at certain times of the day to protect their students"

I headr a bad word ....arrest them ......

PU**ys ...
/Carefull, someone might be insulted ...

The_Ancient: FilmBELOH20: The_Ancient: Dinki: And this is stupid how?

I bet you support the smoking bans as well, and just about every other UnAmerican Liberty Taking power grab by the government as well

So, how in the name of Zeus' butthole do you figure letting a car idle is some sort of Right™ guaranteed to you by the founding fathers? "Liberty Taking Power Grab"? You need to lighten up, Francis. All this does is put less smog in the air, and hopefully save some people gas money. What possible inconvenience is it to shut off a farking motor? I just hope the law applies to cop cars in NYC as well.

The Governments job is not a save me money, or protect me from myself, If I want to leave my car on 24/7/365 it should be my choice, if I want to wear a seat belt again my choice... If I own a bar and want to allow smoking in it MY CHOICE, if I own a bar and want to prohibit smoking MY CHOICE,

see the theme here, MY CHOICE, not the governments

There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE between smoking bans in a bar where people have A CHOICE as the whether or not they want to go in, vs. a CAR or TRUCK idling on a street corner FOR NO GOOD REASON, and forcing people who are WALKING BY to breathe that shiat in.

If you want to let you car idle out on the farm all day long where nobody else has to deal with the exhaust, then you'd have a point. But NYC is the most highly populated area in the United States, so your CHOICE, leaves OTHERS without one. Moran.

/typing in CAPS is farking COOL!

The_Ancient: The Governments job is not a save me money, or protect me from myself, If I want to leave my car on 24/7/365 it should be my choice, if I want to wear a seat belt again my choice... If I own a bar and want to allow smoking in it MY CHOICE, if I own a bar and want to prohibit smoking MY CHOICE,

Ah, but what about when your dying in a car wreck costs ME more in insurance because your death was preventable because you chose not to wear a seat belt, or idling your car causes more pollution which costs ME money in increased healthcare costs or higher costs of fuel because you're wasting it. As much as I admire libertarianism, taken to its extreme it is as realistic as communism, because no one operates in a vacuum. Your choices that "harm" only you have indirect costs to others associated with them.

The terrorists have won

I agree with the bar owner thing, but if you want to leave your car idling all day YOUR CHOICE can affect OTHER PEOPLE. I say ban everything without written permission from the government.

I hear you -- if bar owners and their employees want to increase their risk of life-ending cancer for $8 an hour, it's up to them. In the same vein, why are we so concerned about regulating for safe meats? It should be up to the consumer whether to buy tainted meat.

bigdavediode: I agree with the bar owner thing, but if you want to leave your car idling all day YOUR CHOICE can affect OTHER PEOPLE. I say ban everything without written permission from the government.

I hear you -- if bar owners and their employees want to increase their risk of life-ending cancer for $8 an hour, it's up to them. In the same vein, why are we so concerned about regulating for safe meats? It should be up to the consumer whether to buy tainted meat.

Yeah, those are totally related! My mom and Natalie Portman look alike, too. Moran.

Yeah, those are totally related! My mom and Natalie Portman look alike, too. Moran.

Hey, it's up to ME whether I want to save BIG MONEY on tainted meat, or risk cancer for $8 an hour.

Stop your big government freedom... uhh... stopping.

bigdavediode: I agree with the bar owner thing, but if you want to leave your car idling all day YOUR CHOICE can affect OTHER PEOPLE. I say ban everything without written permission from the government.I hear you -- if bar owners and their employees want to increase their risk of life-ending cancer for $8 an hour, it's up to them. In the same vein, why are we so concerned about regulating for safe meats? It should be up to the consumer whether to buy tainted meat.


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ctobio: The_Ancient: The Governments job is not a save me money, or protect me from myself, If I want to leave my car on 24/7/365 it should be my choice, if I want to wear a seat belt again my choice... If I own a bar and want to allow smoking in it MY CHOICE, if I own a bar and want to prohibit smoking MY CHOICE,

Ah, but what about when your dying in a car wreck costs ME more in insurance because your death was preventable because you chose not to wear a seat belt,


ahhh, But alot of insurance companies have clauses the deny benefits if you dont, so your premiums should not be affected by my use or in use..

And if you really want to talk about Premiums and the cost of driving, ask why people that can read english can drive on roads with english only signs???? Ask why it is soo easy to get a lic in the US? ask why you almost never have to be retested EVER even if your 100 years old and cant see any more???? Seat blet use is hardly a factor


or idling your car causes more pollution which costs ME money in increased healthcare costs or higher costs of fuel because you're wasting it. As much as I admire libertarianism, taken to its extreme it is as realistic as communism, because no one operates in a vacuum. Your choices that "harm" only you have indirect costs to others associated with them.


Slippery Slope my friend, The devil has to be invited in, but once you do......

The_Ancient: ctobio: The_Ancient: The Governments job is not a save me money, or protect me from myself, If I want to leave my car on 24/7/365 it should be my choice, if I want to wear a seat belt again my choice... If I own a bar and want to allow smoking in it MY CHOICE, if I own a bar and want to prohibit smoking MY CHOICE,

Ah, but what about when your dying in a car wreck costs ME more in insurance because your death was preventable because you chose not to wear a seat belt,


ahhh, But alot of insurance companies have clauses the deny benefits if you dont, so your premiums should not be affected by my use or in use..

And if you really want to talk about Premiums and the cost of driving, ask why people that can read english can drive on roads with english only signs???? Ask why it is soo easy to get a lic in the US? ask why you almost never have to be retested EVER even if your 100 years old and cant see any more???? Seat blet use is hardly a factor


or idling your car causes more pollution which costs ME money in increased healthcare costs or higher costs of fuel because you're wasting it. As much as I admire libertarianism, taken to its extreme it is as realistic as communism, because no one operates in a vacuum. Your choices that "harm" only you have indirect costs to others associated with them.


Slippery Slope my friend, The devil has to be invited in, but once you do......


Well said ...

Ive yet to see any device, machine, tool, or technique for using same that is so obscure that the safety nazis, ecologists, or Democrats dont want to micromanage it. You know. for the kids.

ahhh, But alot of insurance companies have clauses the deny benefits if you dont, so your premiums should not be affected by my use or in use..

Absolutely agree 100%. If a person makes the informed choice to fly through their windshield and let their body parts fly through a store window thereby causing a lifetime of psychological counseling for the employees, it's their choice.

bigdavediode: Hey, it's up to ME whether I want to save BIG MONEY on tainted meat, or risk cancer for $8 an hour.

Actually, I would argue that it IS your choice if you want to consume tainted meat as long as you KNEW the meat was tainted. Just like people KNOW there is smoke in bars. So, despite your stupid farking analogy comparing two things that have absolutely nothing in farking common, you still didn't make a point.

bigdavediode: Absolutely agree 100%. If a person makes the informed choice to fly through their windshield and let their body parts fly through a store window thereby causing a lifetime of psychological counseling for the employees, it's their choice.

Oh, you are trolling! Good job, you totally got me.

10/10!

Guys, your choice to walk down the street could cause you to bump into someone and that could cause the person you bump into to bump into an old man who may fall and break his hip. Thus, it makes complete sense to ban walking.

the mileage tax will take care of problems like this...

oh, wait...

nevermind.

tonesskin: Guys, your choice to walk down the street could cause you to bump into someone and that could cause the person you bump into to bump into an old man who may fall and break his hip. Thus, it makes complete sense to ban walking.


HEH ....there aught to be a law ...

With an eye towards safety conciousness we can legislate immortality no extence within our lifetimes

Actually, I would argue that it IS your choice if you want to consume tainted meat as long as you KNEW the meat was tainted. Just like people KNOW there is smoke in bars. So, despite your stupid farking analogy comparing two things that have absolutely nothing in farking common, you still didn't make a point.

Absolutely agree 100%. We who consume tainted meat know exactly what the outcomes could be -- we're informed, after all. Same with cancer. Those who work for $8 an hour know what the level of risk is and the types of cancer involved, and the risks of mestastization because people who work for $8 an hour often went to med school.

Okay, okay, I'm not actually being serious. And no, I don't belong to a "Freedom shiatters Society."

Guys, your choice to pay taxes affects me because when you choose to pay taxes I may have to put up with road construction somewhere. So we HAVE to ban paying taxes. Don't you guys see how much your choices can affect others? BAN IT!

bigdavediode: I could squat down in the middle of the street and pinch off a big loaf. It's not like it's hurting anyone else.

What do you think would happen if we all did that? Nothing?

Tobin_Lam: bigdavediode: I could squat down in the middle of the street and pinch off a big loaf. It's not like it's hurting anyone else.

What do you think would happen if we all did that? Nothing?

It would make Detroit smell better?

Guys, your choice to walk down the street could cause you to bump into someone and that could cause the person you bump into to bump into an old man who may fall and break his hip. Thus, it makes complete sense to ban walking.

Except people don't walk at 60 miles an hour, like seatbelts. Libertarians, at some point, have to admit that some things need to be regulated. Well, not all Libertarians, as we've just had one advocated tainted meat.

Personally regulating cars uselessly idling seems like a pretty good idea. It increases the cost for abusers from things they don't value (air and gas) to things that they do value (a ticket).

Tobin:

What do you think would happen if we all did that? Nothing?

Why do you hate freedom?

bigdavediode: Well, not all Libertarians, as we've just had one advocated tainted meat.

I didn't advocate it. I said that it was an absolutely ridiculous comparison to smoking bans and thus I would play along with an equally retarded comment to "OMG, TAINTED MEAT AND SMOKING ARE THE SAME!!!"

bigdavediode: Tobin:

What do you think would happen if we all did that? Nothing?

Why do you hate freedom?

Nothing to see here ....move along .....

bigdavediode: Tobin:

What do you think would happen if we all did that? Nothing?

Why do you hate freedom?

I'll tell you as soon as you asnwer my question.

I've worked in buildings that piped in exhaust from cars and trucks idling outside.

Yea, sure, they have a choice whether or not to idle their car. I don't have a freaking choice in whether or not to breathe the crap.

I would vote to just do away with all cars and trucks in NYC.

tones:

Actually, I would argue that it IS your choice if you want to consume tainted meat as long as you KNEW the meat was tainted.

tones a couple minutes later:

I didn't advocate it.

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: I would vote to just do away with all cars and trucks in NYC.

FTFY

Tobin:

I'll tell you as soon as you asnwer my question.

The city would stink.

bigdavediode: tones:

Actually, I would argue that it IS your choice if you want to consume tainted meat as long as you KNEW the meat was tainted.

tones a couple minutes later:

I didn't advocate it.

You farking dumbass, I was being sarcastic with the meat shiat as I was commenting on how farking RETARDED your comparison was. And even then saying that "it is your choice" is very different than ADVOCATING. So your sarcasm detector fails as does your use the English language.

I believe shooting yourself IS your choice. OMG, YOU ARE ADVOCATING SHOOTING YOURSELF!

And I lost an "of" there.

tonesskin: And I lost an "of" there.


HEH ..HEH ...

bigdavediode: Tobin:

I'll tell you as soon as you asnwer my question.

The city would stink.

Good answer but incomplete. What else would happen?