It also makes all ~12% of sexually active women who use the pill as a means of contraceptive legally guilty of murder. So they've got that going for them.

Oh this is.. thes..

The bill declares that "any organism with the genome of homo sapiens" is a person protected by rights granted by the North Dakota Constitution and state laws.

So much fail...

Next thing you know, a fertilized egg will have to start paying taxes ;)

Excellent!

I see a lawsuit in your future...

Would having a miscarriage due to say, alcohol or drug use account as murder?

They've been trying to do this for a few years. I think it was N. Dakota.....it failed the first time around, or was overturned, or they just gave up on it. I'm vague on the details, but it's been tried before.

ninjakirby: It also makes all ~12% of sexually active women who use the pill as a means of contraceptive legally guilty of murder. So they've got that going for them.


So much of this.

Sinister Steve: Would having a miscarriage due to say, alcohol or drug use account as murder?


And a little of that.

Would it apply to carpool lanes then?

Sell my clothes I'm a goin home to jeebus!

Tarkus: Would it apply to carpool lanes then?

If N.D. had them that would be an interesting point.

Does this mean they are going to outlaw cancer treatments too? Isnt a tumor an organism with a human genome?

ninjakirby: It also makes all ~12% of sexually active women who use the pill as a means of contraceptive legally guilty of murder. So they've got that going for them.

I think oral contraceptives work by preventing ovulation. No egg = no murder.
I think.

I'd hit it.

SpinStopper: Next thing you know, a fertilized egg will have to start paying taxes ;)

Well if a fertilized egg is a human being does that mean a pregnant woman can charge it with trespassing and use force to remove from her womb if it fails to leave voluntarily?

BigSnatch: ninjakirby: It also makes all ~12% of sexually active women who use the pill as a means of contraceptive legally guilty of murder. So they've got that going for them.


So much of this.

Sinister Steve: Would having a miscarriage due to say, alcohol or drug use account as murder?


And a little of that.

If you want the long version read this little essay I wrote about 4 years ago on what repealing Roe v. Wade could mean (new window)

If you want the short version, just consider this: Roe, at its heart says a Woman's right to privacy outweighs the State's interest in protecting her fetus at least through the first trimester, with the states interest gaining potency through the second and third.

Take that away and mandatory weekly pregnancy tests/viginity checks for women wouldn't be unconstitutional. Nor would banning alcohol or cigarette sales to any woman of child bearing age (after all pregnancy tests don't work until a few weeks in so better safe than sorry.) Any woman who did illegal drugs or even failed to eat properly could be charged with Child abuse...

the list goes on...

Sinister Steve: Would having a miscarriage due to say, alcohol or drug use account as murder?

Any woman suffering a miscarriage will have to be investigated by the police.

Tarkus: Would it apply to carpool lanes then?

Stop a woman for speeding or not wearing a seatbelt and charge her with endangering the life of a child.

I wonder if the morning after pill is considered involuntary manslaughter or first degree murder.

2wolves: Tarkus: Would it apply to carpool lanes then?

If N.D. had them that would be an interesting point.

Yeh, I know. I was just trying to point out the Law of Unintended Consequences. I drive through ND on my way to Manitoba.

Tarkus: I was just trying to point out the Law of Unintended Consequences. I drive through ND on my way to Manitoba.

I remember reading something about someone driving in an HOV lane whilst pregnant -- to my complete lack of shock, a quick google on "pregnant HOV" shows it's hardly a single incident, although I couldn't quickly find a case where it was decided that it was a defense -- case in point: first hit (new window)

bogey: ninjakirby: It also makes all ~12% of sexually active women who use the pill as a means of contraceptive legally guilty of murder. So they've got that going for them.

I think oral contraceptives work by preventing ovulation. No egg = no murder.
I think.

I think actually that the pill prevents implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterine wall.

Oh this will go so very, very wrong.

Bucky Katt: Any woman suffering a miscarriage will have to be investigated by the police.

That. For starters. Kidnapping charges if your pregnant wife / gf leaves you.

Does anyone know which hotel Pedobear will be staying at?

I'm going to start buying life insurance policies!

xiaodown: bogey: ninjakirby: It also makes all ~12% of sexually active women who use the pill as a means of contraceptive legally guilty of murder. So they've got that going for them.

I think oral contraceptives work by preventing ovulation. No egg = no murder.
I think.

I think actually that the pill prevents implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterine wall.

No, Bogey had it right. Standard combined estrogen/progestin birth control pills work by suppressing ovulation.

and if you have sex with a pregnant gal and semen gets on the blastocyst is it child abuse?

cryinoutloud: They've been trying to do this for a few years. I think it was N. Dakota.....it failed the first time around, or was overturned, or they just gave up on it. I'm vague on the details, but it's been tried before.

Pretty much. It's pandering all around. Its supporters know full well it'll get shot down in the courts. Its opponents know that as well. But in the meantime, the advocacy groups will go into full-tilt fundraising mode.

They and the lawyers will make out okay, but nobody else will.

The Supreme Court's gonna smack this the f*ck down as it deserves to be.

Look, I can sympathize with the basic concept behind being 'pro-life', but this sort of ridiculous nonsense just makes you sound like a bunch of morons...and you're not going to accomplish a damned thing from it other than being in the news.

Abortion policy is properly determined at the state level anyway.

/Roe v. Wade = Constitutional overreach
//States rights! states rights!

So therefore, being a minor, you can file lawsuits on behalf of a fertilized egg.

Bucky Katt: Any woman suffering a miscarriage will have to be investigated by the police.

Also any period...she could have forced it!

I've never been to North Dakota, so let me see if I have this right. You're saying that there are people in North Dakota, and they reproduce? Who's letting this happen?

Bucky Katt: Sinister Steve: Would having a miscarriage due to say, alcohol or drug use account as murder?

Any woman suffering a miscarriage will have to be investigated by the police.

Negligent homicide, I believe.

And if a couple decide together to abort, the father could be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

Doctor's preparing a group of eggs for in vitro fertilization will be guilty of mass murder.

North Dakota Resident here.

As others have said the unintended consequences of this is going to doom it. While I'm in favor of banning abortions where the fetus is viable (third trimester), I think this goes a wee bit too far.

Though on the other hand, North Dakota has some great non-idiot laws.

1. Hemp is fully legal for Farmers to grow, with a permit of course. Thanks to both GOP and Dem representatives in the statehouse. It's the DEA that won't get it's head out of its *ss.

2. Parking meters are illegal.

3. Illegal to use speeding fines to raise revenue. Meaning tickets are actually reasonable and not the $127 bum farking you get in MN for 10 over the limit. (The speed limits are set too low in many parts of MN as well.)

4. ND actually has a budget surplus. Thanks to both GOP and Dem representatives in the statehouse and a competent Governor.

5. Red light cameras are illegal.

So yea, we have allot of great stuff and I don't see this passing a court challenge or whatever.

So I can claim a fertilized egg as a dependant when I do my taxes?

Crosshair: So yea, we have allot of great stuff and I don't see this passing a court challenge or whatever.

Nor do I. Wouldn't the litmus test of personhood be birth? Don't you have to be a person to have the protection of the law?

Why can't pro-lifers just work to help out women with unplanned pregnancies instead of trying to manipulate the rule of law?

The bill declares that "any organism with the genome of homo sapiens" is a person protected by rights granted by the North Dakota Constitution and state laws.

Well how much of the Genome? For fark's sake, most of the great apes share a good chunk of our Genome, and depending on how far you take it, these protections could be applied to other mammals.

And would someone with a deformed chromosome count?

Fail... Fail... FAIL

Farking idiots. What's next, chastity belts?

Il Douchey: /Roe v. Wade = Constitutional overreach

No it isn't. The 14th amendment extends BoR protections, including the de facto right to privacy from the 4th amendment, to all levels of government.

They're getting closer.

1. Death penalty for murder to be applied by juries not judges.

2. Fertilized human egg has rights.

3. Pharmacy technicians to report who uses emergency contraception.

It's all falling into place. Finally.

Doctors and their patients being tried for murder and being put to death for it. It's coming.

TheShavingofOccam123: It's all falling into place. Finally.

You're aware that #2 and #3 are really, really bad right?

If a woman is suspected of engaging in any activity that could endanger the egg, she should be forced into jail and kept there until she is forced to birth the state's baby. A woman is a mere conduit for the state's babies, so this is appropriate.

TheShavingofOccam123: They're getting closer.

1. Death penalty for murder to be applied by juries not judges.

2. Fertilized human egg has rights.

3. Pharmacy technicians to report who uses emergency contraception.

It's all falling into place. Finally.

Doctors and their patients being tried for murder and being put to death for it. It's coming.

I'm a fetus and I vote! Twice.

You know, technically, a lot of the pro-choice arguments from back in the day ceded the point that a human life was involved, and simply claimed that the mother's rights trumped it. The whole 'famous violinist attached to you via tubes for 9 months' arguments and such.

The advocacy groups on both sides of this issue are both 95% or more populated by uncompromising retards.

TheShavingofOccam123: Doctors and their patients being tried for murder and being put to death for it. It's coming.

uh no, no it's not.

/if it can breath on it's own... it's alive
//otherwise, it's a parasite

I just wonder what they will do with all the fertilized eggs that are frozen for couples who have problems conceiving. I know that there are other couples who sometimes "adopt" the fertilized egg but unless you have an army of "octuplet mothers", there could be a real problem.

btw, an army of octuplet mothers is pretty freaky, I may have problems sleeping.

FREAKHEAD: I just wonder what they will do with all the fertilized eggs that are frozen for couples who have problems conceiving. I know that there are other couples who sometimes "adopt" the fertilized egg but unless you have an army of "octuplet mothers", there could be a real problem.

btw, an army of octuplet mothers is pretty freaky, I may have problems sleeping.

It would be like

but with babies

Murkanen: Il Douchey: /Roe v. Wade = Constitutional overreach ~No it isn't. The 14th amendment extends BoR protections, including the de facto right to privacy from the 4th amendment, to all levels of government.

There is no "de facto right to privacy" in The Constitution. Once you start playing fast and loose with interpretations to justify things you want, you open the door for whoever is in power to rationalize whatever they want.

Maddogjew: TheShavingofOccam123: Doctors and their patients being tried for murder and being put to death for it. It's coming.

uh no, no it's not.

/if it can breath on it's own... it's alive
//otherwise, it's a parasite

Murkanen: TheShavingofOccam123: It's all falling into place. Finally.

You're aware that #2 and #3 are really, really bad right?

i don't support any of those. especially pharmacy technicians calling Crime-stop and reporting their customers and their physicians to the justice system on suspicion of murder.

you people think this is all coincidental and happen-stance but it's a long-range, organized plan. just like the civil rights movement but with entirely different goals.