If your travel plans include Oklahoma, time for some ab crunches.

It would be so much fun to wear a diggler through one of these and wait for the response.

"They are not pornographic at all," Tulsa screener Debbie Shacklett said. "I don't look at them as people. I look at them as a thing that could have something on it."

Does this scare anyone else?

Amusing?

I'd say Scary.

/I feel safer already

Chariset: "They are not pornographic at all," Tulsa screener Debbie Shacklett said. "I don't look at them as people. I look at them as a thing that could have something on it."

Does this scare anyone else?

Well, in fairness, I don't look at TSA workers as people either.

TSA has at least one of these in Denver. You can refuse, but they give you a pat down and make you wait an extra 10 minutes.

Complete BS. Does not help in the slightest way to make you any safer. It helps the idiots "feel" slightly safer at the expense of the dignity and liberty of the rest of us.

according to the article it doesn't even speed up the process, it slows it way down.

Just what we need, another intrusive security procedure that accomplishes nothing but makes travel even more unpleasant while further eroding our basic expectations of privacy.

Chariset: "I don't look at them as people. I look at them as a thing that could have something on it."

Does this scare anyone else?

A thing that could have something on it.
Mrs Shacklett's breadth of vocabulary is humbling.

Anyone actually see the images they are looking at when they use one of these?

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/35506res20080603.html

May not be safe for work if you are not allowed to look at blurry bluish images of boobies.

fritton: Complete BS. Does not help in the slightest way to make you any safer. It helps the idiots "feel" slightly safer at the expense of the dignity and liberty of the rest of us.

according to the article it doesn't even speed up the process, it slows it way down.

Just what we need, another intrusive security procedure that accomplishes nothing but makes travel even more unpleasant while further eroding our basic expectations of privacy.

I guess it depends on the line you're going through. From what I can tell at many airports, the bottleneck isn't the scanner, it's the folks taking stuff out of their luggage, forgetting to take their belt off, trying to run a laptop through with their huge bottle of shampoo, etc.

Or that PHL sucks balls.

I'm having one of these installed on my porch.

Home security, dontcha know...

Sorry...forgot to make it clickable for the lazy.
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ACLU from below (jalapeno poppers)

also... please please please continue to strip search all of us like criminals because we need to travel.

captainstudd: Sorry...forgot to make it clickable for the lazy.
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I did want to see images to see if they were like the original Airplane movie (which would be good) or if they were horrid.

Horrid wins, so I guess I won't be hanging out at TSA when I fly next time.

I keep waiting for America to re-assert itself and find ways to destroy or hamstring all the surveillance technology being shoved up its kiester. Where are the guys shooting out traffic cameras? Spraypainting the security cams? Refusing to fly and screaming the reason at the airlines and the Congress?

As Lewis Black pointed out once, the TSA people are the same folks that distribute and maintain the AV equipment back in high school. Do you really want them to be able to check out your private parts? Even if they are supposedly just looking for weapons, these a-holes have room temperature IQ's and GED diplomas. I let my doctor see me naked, not the manager at McDonalds. And hey, what if you've got a case of swamp-ass? Are they able to pick THAT up? How about just some stinky balls? Or hey, maybe you've got something jammed up your ass for recreational purposes -- they gonna make you pull that thing out? WHERE THE fark DO WE DRAW THE LINE?!!??!

If this becomes a requirement in order to get on the plane, I am never flying again. Hell with you, TSA. You're officially on the list now.

Amazing - make it "Voluntary" now and the government can do more damage to your bill of rights later. No one sees an issue of opening the door to strip searching passengers?

"We're not trying to hide anything," White said. Images from the body scanners are on the TSA website, www.tsa.gov."



/ Hiding nothing indeed.. why not show a larger image of exactly what screening people are seeing? Looks to me like they can see ALL of you with EVERY detail.

Brought to you by the high-school flunkies who keep us safe by making sure we don't have too much toothpaste.

Pretty soon we'll be flying chained to our seats, naked and with catheters installed. Which will ironically make things easier for hijackers.

I could take a credit card on an airplane, break it in half diagnally so it has a point and then use it like a knife to disable the pilot.

Credit cards should be banned.

I could take a CD, break it in to shards, and use the shards to disable the pilot

CDs should be banned.

I could garrote the pilot with my ipod earbud wires.

Earbud wires should be banned.

I could garrote the pilot by tearing a strip of cloth from my shirt.

Shirts should be banned.

I could . . .

You get the point.

FatherDale: I keep waiting for America to re-assert itself and find ways to destroy or hamstring all the surveillance technology being shoved up its kiester. Where are the guys shooting out traffic cameras? Spraypainting the security cams? Refusing to fly and screaming the reason at the airlines and the Congress?

Sometimes it's a compromise between this and losing your job. I fly because I've got to for my job. Sure, I could attempt to find a new job - but I'm happily ensconced in a good job with a good company. It would be very interesting to see this brought up in front of the SCOTUS - especially seeing as how they used to do xrays for years prior to 9-11 and all. The question is, does this actually violate our rights? I personally think it does - or it toes the line very, very closely.

I fly to Tulsa every December for the holidays. A couple of years ago, on the return trip, I was in the (long, but moving) security line at Tulsa...one of the TSA morons was periodically yelling out the rules on liquids, and I almost yelled something out about "Be sure to put your tinfoil hats in the tray, too, if you think any of this helps".

We had one major problem with passenger jets getting hijacked, and a couple of much much smaller ones in the past.

It is NOT a problem that necessitates us bending over for government every time they want to get a shrieking soccer moms vote.

Even if we determine that it serves a real purpose to make people feel safer, then stop a potential terrorists ability to HIJACK a plane. (Big, secure cockpit doors, remote control override abilities, etc, etc)

Stop treating all of us like criminals especially when it serves absolutely no real purpose.

From TFA: "They are not pornographic at all," Tulsa screener Debbie Shacklett said. "I don't look at them as people. I look at them as someone a thing that could have something on it. who has a great rack."

There. Fixed that for ya!

/Hey Beavis, we saw boobs.
//Heh heh.

fritton: We had one major problem with passenger jets getting hijacked, and a couple of much much smaller ones in the past.

It is NOT a problem that necessitates us bending over for government every time they want to get a shrieking soccer moms vote.

Even if we determine that it serves a real purpose to make people feel safer, then stop a potential terrorists ability to HIJACK a plane. (Big, secure cockpit doors, remote control override abilities, etc, etc)

Stop treating all of us like criminals especially when it serves absolutely no real purpose.


This. Also, realize that even without all this security theater, anybody who is stupid enough to try a hijacking these days is going to face one hell of a beatdown from everyone else on the plane. It won't work anymore.

/obvious
//ly hotlinked

Chariset: "They are not pornographic at all," Tulsa screener Debbie Shacklett said. "I don't look at them as people. I look at them as a thing that could have something on it."

Does this scare anyone else?

No. It's pretty common when your job requires looking at naked people all the time. You quickly stop looking at it as sexy and it just becomes another piece of meat. It's a comfort to those who are worried some TSA agent is going to be rubbing one out while looking through your clothing.

These new scanners are going to make it impossible to carry weed onto a plane. I guess the terrorists won.

i think people should where cool signs that show up when going through like a metal arrow that points to your wenis.

\\ these suck
\\\I live in tulsa.

I want my country back.

/except for Oklahoma, you can keep it

Raskolnikov's Angst: /obvious
//ly hotlinked

DOH! You beat me to it. Well played.

Time to start using my penis pump before my next flight.

Interesting detail. Would a 'scan' of a 14yo girl be considered CP? Discuss.

/get your ass to mars

And the thing is, 9-11 wasn't caused by lax security at the terminal, but by lack of communication through government agencies such as the FBI and the CIA.

Tulsa screener Debbie Shacklett said. "I don't look at them as people. I look at them as a thing that could have something on it."

Well, to be fair, most folk don't consider TSA screeners people either.

/hot

fluffy2097

These new scanners are going to make it impossible to carry weed onto a plane. I guess the terrorists won.

There are ways. For example, you could take a pack of cigarettes with you. Beforehand, empty the tobacco out of the cigarettes and refill them.

Just sayin'

/don't fly that much

I suppose you are also able to be manually searched if you do not conscent to being scanned otherwise fark the airline and the airport.

fritton: also... please please please continue to strip search all of us like criminals because we need to travel.

Waaah waah "intrusion" blaah blaah "body cavity search "waah waah "nail clippers from my 90 yr old grandmother"

Nigh on 7 yrs of TSA and some of you block heads still haven't figured out how to get through a checkpoint in 1 minute or less simply by avoiding carrying on shiat that you don't need anyway for 5 hours of flight.

And spare me "dun wanna check ma bag" blues, spend a buck on a shampoo sampler once you get there.


Or, you can take a chance and get a guy/gal who;s reasonable and explain your situation and now with the "discretion privilege" we have now, we can allow, in some circumstances, previously restricted fluids!

eh?,,,hey?,,,what about that huh?

I'm all for any lawsuit against these screening methods. It's ridiculous, a waste of money, and is too detailed for my liking. I have nothing to hide, I just don't care to show anyone just so I can get on a plane.

Do they screen people under the age of 18? Is that child porn if they do? Images generated for a child under the age of 18 = child porn, and this isn't art.

I hope this recession reduces funding for shiat like this.

I think it'd be right up there with gynecology in terms of job you'd want, for every one you want to see there are a dozen you *really* don't want to see.

DarkJohnson: It would be so much fun to wear a diggler through one of these and wait for the response.

I am so down with that, yes!

Anyone going to one of these airport I recommend you ask for a manual screen. They are required to give you one instead of using the backscatter machine. They shouldn't ask for a reason but if they do just say you are claustrophobic.

Carth: They shouldn't ask for a reason but if they do just say you are claustrophobic.

There is no law that says you have to go through one. You can simply tell them you don't want to go through one and would like a pat down instead. No reason to lie to them. They can't force you to go through the machine.

What the TSA is too incompetent to realize is that nothing will stop a terrorist that really wants to do something nasty. These have no other purpose than making people feel safer which we all know is total bullcrap.

Oblig:

Bob Ondeeznuts: Carth: They shouldn't ask for a reason but if they do just say you are claustrophobic.

There is no law that says you have to go through one. You can simply tell them you don't want to go through one and would like a pat down instead. No reason to lie to them. They can't force you to go through the machine.

You are absolutely correct. I fly very often and have only been challenged on why i didn't want to use it 2 or 3 times. The first time i got into a lengthy discussion about why i didn't want to and ended up talking to a supervisor. The others i just lied to save 10 minutes.

Fox-one: What the TSA is too incompetent to realize is that nothing will stop a terrorist that really wants to do something nasty. These have no other purpose than making people feel safer which we all know is total bullcrap.

Yeah, you're smarter than the entire intel section of Homeland Security.

I went through this at Tulsa Friday. The scan itself is not only slower, but the prep takes longer.

Those of us who are frequent flyers (apparently including tonguedepressor above) have long since figures out how to get through security in short order. However, now everything has to come out of the pockets, including wallets and credit cards, not just metal. The belt that doesn't set off the metal detector must be removed. If you've recently had an operation and have a bandage taped to your body, they're going to want to check it (happened to me).

This will double or triple the time it takes to get through the expert traveller lanes. Lord only knows how slow the lanes for the occasional travellers will move.

Carth: Bob Ondeeznuts: Carth: They shouldn't ask for a reason but if they do just say you are claustrophobic.

There is no law that says you have to go through one. You can simply tell them you don't want to go through one and would like a pat down instead. No reason to lie to them. They can't force you to go through the machine.

You are absolutely correct. I fly very often and have only been challenged on why i didn't want to use it 2 or 3 times. The first time i got into a lengthy discussion about why i didn't want to and ended up talking to a supervisor. The others i just lied to save 10 minutes.

I don't understand why they wouldn't just understand that you don't want TSA morons giving you a virtual strip search for absolutely zero measurable safety gain.

If I had to talk to a supervisor after that I would ask him/her honestly why he/she is wasting my time and to get a real job.

DAMN! Raskolnikov's Angst beat me to the punch but here's another clip. They need to make scanners that do this.

Bob Ondeeznuts: Do they screen people under the age of 18?

Why would they, Muslims on a jihad have never, ever involved children in their conflict.