Guantanamo Bay?

Wait... condemned as a candidate and still hasn't embraced (still condemning) as President?

All of them, I think.

Waterboarding?

Rendition to countries that practice torture?

The lack of troops in Afghanistan? The failure to reduce the amount of troops in Iraq? Guantanamo Bay? Torture? Shall I go on?

He didn't embrace them. He folded them up and put them in his pocket for later on for when he opens his new re-education camps.

Yeah, all of them (the ones he condemned), I think. He is surprisingly on track with that sort of thing.

Oh, and RE the article: I hadn't heard any sort of outcry about the lack of legal recourse for prisoners being held inside the war country. It's the people being brought onto American soil that need to be tried right away.

All of them. That's what has Cheney's panties in a knot.

Nucular?

Attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11?

why is it that every "LOL, Obama's not kept his promises despite being President for little under a month!" comes off as someone pleased that Obama has not gotten around to fix things that Subby likely encouraged the breaking of?

Pre-emptive war with a country who is ultimately no threat to us?

hillbillypharmacist: Oh, and RE the article: I hadn't heard any sort of outcry about the lack of legal recourse for prisoners being held inside the war country. It's the people being brought onto American soil that need to be tried right away.

We're bringing terrorists onto American soil now? When did that happen?

Planting press with the purpose of lobbing him softball questions?

it's going to take a while to sort out the mess that our 'war on terror' tactics have caused for the legal system.

Christ, people. One month. One stinkin' month. Give it until, I dunno, October before condemning the guy. Unless he takes a month-long vacation, reads to schoolchildren while an attack occurs on our soil, and bombs the wrong country in the meantime...

Zero accountability?

The use of fear as a tool to scare your citizens in to abandoning their principals?

Abandoning principals for security in the first place?

Massive cronyism and appointing unqualified friends to very important positions?

Safe to say subby got owned


/again.

Ahhh_Ennui: Christ, people. One month. One stinkin' month. Give it until, I dunno, October before condemning the guy. Unless he takes a month-long vacation, reads to schoolchildren while an attack occurs on our soil, and bombs the wrong country in the meantime...

The freepers have been in a full on meltdown since Obama took the oath of office. So have most Republicans. I know that Dad (not a freeper, but leans in that direction) cackles with glee over every Obama setback. Even an implied mistake puts a smile on his face. And if/when Obama does get something right, implied or otherwise, Dad is displeased. I'm a little worried about him. that sort of emotional rollercoaster just cannot be good for his blood pressure.

Obama is a bold two faced LIAR and tax cheat hirer.

ALL of his tax cheat hires would be in his cabinet NOW if not for the public outcry. ALL OF THEM.

LIAR!!'

LIAR!!!!

Obama never really promised to make substantive changes to the idea of the omnipotent, imperial Presidency. To his credit he has generally repudiated many- but by no means all- of the particularly odious specifics of Bush's doctrine on detainees in the "War on Terror". But he never seriously disputed the legal doctrines that allowed the Presidency to become powerful enough that Bush could do those things in the first place.

Weaver95: it's going to take a while to sort out the mess that our 'war on terror' tactics have caused for the legal system.

He's had 30 FREEKING days god damnit!!! WTF??

Rethorn: Massive cronyism and appointing unqualified friends to very important positions?

wait - are we talking about George Bush or Ed Rendell?

This tactic baffles me. The right is accusing Obama of being like Bush... and this displeases them? I guess I'm missing something important somewhere in the translation of these allegations?

Brushing off real threats to our country as unimportant (a-la "Okay, you've covered your ass" and "Bin Laden determined to strike" memo)?

Rethorn: The use of fear as a tool to scare your citizens in to abandoning their principals?

Yeah no fear has been used at all in getting the stimulus passed. Also note that Obama made a point of pointing out how "patriotic" the three Republicans that broke ranks to vote for it were.

New administration same as the old administration.

/not a fan of Bush or Obama
//vote third party

The_Six_Fingered_Man: We're bringing terrorists onto American soil now? When did that happen?

Oh, you consider Gitmo to not be on American soil, despite there being a base and an assload of soldiers there?

I'm sorry, you'll have to talk to someone else. I won't waste my time with idiots.

Going on vacation repeatedly when leadership is needed?

/Watch this drive

Action Replay Nick: This tactic baffles me. The right is accusing Obama of being like Bush... and this displeases them? I guess I'm missing something important somewhere in the translation of these allegations?

see, I used to have problems with that as well. Then I was reminded of Orwell and his definition of doublethink - holding two contradictory ideas in your head and believing both of them to be true at the same time. Modern day politics makes a lot more sense when you think of it in terms of Orwell's Newspeak framework.

Fire Geitner NOW! And issue a written apology to every American OR NEVER hold any respect for your authority!

NYZooMan: Obama is a bold two faced LIAR and tax cheat hirer.

ALL of his tax cheat hires would be in his cabinet NOW if not for the public outcry. ALL OF THEM.

LIAR!!'

LIAR!!!!

You still here?

Brubold: Yeah no fear has been used at all in getting the stimulus passed. Also note that Obama made a point of pointing out how "patriotic" the three Republicans that broke ranks to vote for it were.

New administration same as the old administration.

/not a fan of Bush or Obama
//vote third party

Easy there, tiger, we're talking about the War on Terror. If we were talking about OTHER areas Bush farked up in, I would go on forever (Katrina, Environment, Science, etc.). The truth is that, no, Obama has not used fear to get Americans to do what he wants in relation to the War on Terror. He has, however, used fear to get politicians to do what he wants in response to the market crisis.

better yet, can anybody name a President who didn't "embrace" most of the practices of the previous President?

Especially in the first month in office???


Subby (and a lot of other people) are extremely naive. What a candidate says during the campaign and what he does when elected are never a match.

Candidates for office make PROMISES, only a child expects all promises to be kept.

Either grow up or stop voting.

Action Replay Nick: This tactic baffles me. The right is accusing Obama of being like Bush... and this displeases them? I guess I'm missing something important somewhere in the translation of these allegations?

Not everyone opposed to Obama can be categorized as part of a homogeneous Bush-supporting "right". I know the idea drives supporters of the duopoly insane because it doesn't fit within their false duality of partisan hackery, but there's a good chunk of us who despise the fact that this much concentrated power is given to anyone.

hillbillypharmacist: The_Six_Fingered_Man: We're bringing terrorists onto American soil now? When did that happen?

Oh, you consider Gitmo to not be on American soil, despite there being a base and an assload of soldiers there?

I'm sorry, you'll have to talk to someone else. I won't waste my time with idiots.

Oh, you consider GITMO to BE on American Soil, despite the State Department's statement that no foreign military installation is American soil?

I'm sorry, you'll have to bring up your uneducated nonsense with someone else. I don't waste my time with people with no brain.

Brubold: //vote third party

Find me a third party candidate worth voting for, and I'd be more than happy to.

How about CALLING it the "War on Terror"?

The_Six_Fingered_Man: hillbillypharmacist: The_Six_Fingered_Man: We're bringing terrorists onto American soil now? When did that happen?

Oh, you consider Gitmo to not be on American soil, despite there being a base and an assload of soldiers there?

I'm sorry, you'll have to talk to someone else. I won't waste my time with idiots.

Oh, you consider GITMO to BE on American Soil, despite the State Department's statement that no foreign military installation is American soil?

I'm sorry, you'll have to bring up your uneducated nonsense with someone else. I don't waste my time with people with no brain.

If Military Bases on foreign soil are not US soil, then isn't McCain a non-citizen?

irving47: How about CALLING it the "War on Terror"?

I can't believe I forgot that D:

Gitmo

Black Site Prisons

Waterboarding

Torture.


Republicans say Obama is a liar because he hasn't kept his campaign promises to dismantle Bush's War on Terror, yet we are all more vulnerable to a terrorist attack because Obama is more concerned with terrorists' rights than he is defending America. Which one is it Republicans? I haven't yet heard a Republican talking point that didn't require the user to shred his intellectual honesty to enter into the mental contortion that is the Republican talking point.

Weaver95: Ahhh_Ennui: Christ, people. One month. One stinkin' month. Give it until, I dunno, October before condemning the guy. Unless he takes a month-long vacation, reads to schoolchildren while an attack occurs on our soil, and bombs the wrong country in the meantime...

The freepers have been in a full on meltdown since Obama took the oath of office. So have most Republicans. I know that Dad (not a freeper, but leans in that direction) cackles with glee over every Obama setback. Even an implied mistake puts a smile on his face. And if/when Obama does get something right, implied or otherwise, Dad is displeased. I'm a little worried about him. that sort of emotional rollercoaster just cannot be good for his blood pressure.

Tell him only dirty hippies disagree with the President in war time. I'm betting it'll take his brain a while to reboot and you can distribute heart meds while he's distracted.

Churchill2004: Action Replay Nick: This tactic baffles me. The right is accusing Obama of being like Bush... and this displeases them? I guess I'm missing something important somewhere in the translation of these allegations?

Not everyone opposed to Obama can be categorized as part of a homogeneous Bush-supporting "right". I know the idea drives supporters of the duopoly insane because it doesn't fit within their false duality of partisan hackery, but there's a good chunk of us who despise the fact that this much concentrated power is given to anyone.

indeed. while I respect Obama and believe him to honorable in his intentions, I do not agree with his plans. His solution to our multiple economic issues is, in my opinion, wrong. I think that the libertarian view is the only way to really get this country back on track. Everything from changes to the tax code to the war on drugs to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan....it all needs to change. And I don't think Obama will get any of those needed changes right.

Churchill2004: but there's a good chunk of us who despise the fact that this much concentrated power is given to anyone.

I'm one of them. Since it is already that way, I have moved on to closely watching how they use this power, and how transparent they make their motives and actions. I'm being patient. I was patient with Bush, too, despite the fact that I predicted what he would do correctly from the beginning. I still gave that douche a chance. Many chances.

How about using Diplomacy?

Churchill2004:

Not everyone opposed to Obama can be categorized as part of a homogeneous Bush-supporting "right". I know the idea drives supporters of the duopoly insane because it doesn't fit within their false duality of partisan hackery, but there's a good chunk of us who despise the fact that this much concentrated power is given to anyone.

My, how times have changed. I recall you were once a staunch defender of most of W's policies. ;)

Action Replay Nick: This tactic baffles me. The right is accusing Obama of being like Bush... and this displeases them? I guess I'm missing something important somewhere in the translation of these allegations?

The right is frothing at the mouth because Obama has been politically one step ahead of them. They thought coming in, they can kick him around for being so inexperienced and so far we have threats coming from their de fact leaders such as Rush and Hannity while Obama is going to the Hill, meeting with leaders one on one and trying to include republicans in his agenda while the cameras are rolling.

Naturally the rest of us normal folks agree with Obama and this just burns the souls of the GOP. They have been out hustled once again.

Hilarious to see republicans vote against the recovery bill and now wanting a piece of it. Seeing the Gov of South Carolina explain this on cable the other day was priceless. Never have I seen a man sweat so much.

Weaver95: The freepers have been in a full on meltdown since Obama took the oath of office. So have most Republicans. I know that Dad (not a freeper, but leans in that direction) cackles with glee over every Obama setback. Even an implied mistake puts a smile on his face. And if/when Obama does get something right, implied or otherwise, Dad is displeased. I'm a little worried about him. that sort of emotional rollercoaster just cannot be good for his blood pressure.

I like it when we get the stories about Weaver's dad. I always read them as an allegory about old, crabby, "Fox and Friends"-watching Republicans in general.