Was he found in his home?

Is his lawyer more worried about the embezzlement case against him, that he can't argue that if you bring someone to the hospital that they aren't exactly responsible for what they bring into the hospital?

Let the liberal frenzy begin!

it's unclear whether the charge is for having the gun at all or for bringing it into a hospital.

I'm guessing the former.

Is dude a convicted felon?

Jerseylina: Is dude a convicted felon?

In most states, it is illegal to carry a handgun without a permit.

I see no news about buffaloes.

hillbillypharmacist: In most states, it is illegal to carry a concealed handgun without a permit.

FTFY

yea, sorry, there's gotta be more to the story than this headline.

hillbillypharmacist: Let the liberal frenzy begin!

OK, I will. If we made all hand guns illegal, we wouldn't have these kinds of issues. Hunters, keep your rifles and shotguns. All hand guns should be destroyed.

/Libby!

ambassador_ahab: FTFY

There are about 20 states where open carry requires a license or is outright prohibited. Texas is one of them, ironically.

hillbillypharmacist: There are about 20 states where open carry requires a license or is outright prohibited. Texas is one of them, ironically.

50-20=30
30>20

So it appears that you have not disproven ambassador_ahab's statement.

Crosshair: So it appears that you have not disproven ambassador_ahab's statement.

I'm not trying to disprove, I'm trying to educate.

Not every post on Fark is "NO U!!"

Crosshair: So it appears that you have not disproven ambassador_ahab's statement.

Oh, and this guy was in New York. They prohibit open carry.

hillbillypharmacist: Crosshair: So it appears that you have not disproven ambassador_ahab's statement.

Oh, and this guy was in New York. They prohibit open carry.

Isn't it more or less impossible to get a concealed carry in NY?

hillbillypharmacist: Crosshair: So it appears that you have not disproven ambassador_ahab's statement.

Oh, and this guy was in New York. They prohibit open carry.

I'm pretty sure New York prohibits even thinking nice thoughts about carrying a handgun. Unless you're a rich, politically-connected New Yorker, in which case the NYPD will be happy to give you a carry permit.

Bored Horde: Isn't it more or less impossible to get a concealed carry in NY?

I don't know about the rest of the state, but the NYPD is notorious for summarily rejecting the permit application of anyone with less than seven figures in their bank account.

Trajan's Call'Em: hillbillypharmacist: Let the liberal frenzy begin!

OK, I will. If we made all hand guns illegal, we wouldn't have these kinds of issues. Hunters, keep your rifles and shotguns. All hand guns should be destroyed.

/Libby!

You do realize that rifles are in general more dangerous than handguns because of the high speed rounds that can pierce body armor right?

Buffalo buffalo shoot buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo shoot.

MyRandomName: You do realize that rifles are in general more dangerous than handguns because of the high speed rounds that can pierce body armor right?

Do people in your country actually walk around in body armour? Why do you suppose they have to in the first place? How is, "As long as we are wearing body armour we're ok" supposed to be a measure of safety for handguns?? (I know you didn't say that, but it's pretty much the obverse of your statement).

MyRandomName: ....

You do realize that rifles are in general more dangerous than handguns because of the high speed rounds that can pierce body armor right?

Little tougher to conceal my Winchester Model 70. I only wear a trench coat when I want to share my little ShamWow with unsuspecting females, not to hide the high-powered rifle with an over-all length of about 46 inches.

Trajan's Call'Em: OK, I will. If we made all hand guns illegal, we wouldn't have these kinds of issues. Hunters, keep your rifles and shotguns. All hand guns should be destroyed.

If handguns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns.

A comparison of Kennesaw, GA, where the law is you must own a gun, vs. Morton Grove, IL, where it's illegal to own a gun.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288

Common sense surrenders.

DRTFA, but 2 cases come to mind: People v. Newton (NY 1973) and Martin v. State (1944 AL). Correct citations and holdings should be on the interwebs or Wikipedia.

Bored Horde: hillbillypharmacist: Oh, and this guy was in New York. They prohibit open carry.

Isn't it more or less impossible to get a concealed carry in NY?

Upstate NY, particularly the western tier, is armed about as thoroughly as Texas. CCW permits are as hard to get as drivers' licenses.

Since this happened in Lockport, my money is on an unregistered firearm. Probably stolen, picked up from some methhead pawn shop.

Derringer makes a revolver?

The NYC pistol permit application is unbelievable

Application

FAQ

A few gems:

-$500 in fees, non-refundable if you're denied
-Scary wording that any mistakes (falsification) will
a) deny you forever and
b) result in a class A misdemeanor criminal charge
-You need to be personally interviewed by the police
-Provide income tax returns
-Provide last 6 months of bank statements (originals)
-Letter from your bank concerning the above
-Finally, a personal letter explaining why you need it

Also, you have to call the police and have a chat with them if any of the following happens:
-You're arrested (regardless if you're actually charged)
-Police come to your home in response to a domestic dispute (regardless if you're actually arrested)
-You move
-Forget to renew your license (if this happens, you're already a felon and it's probably not a good idea to call)
-Want to buy a second handgun (you need permission beforehand)

He was unconscious and taken into the ER by ambulance. That means the EMT's didn't do a thorough enough secondary examination that would probably have found the gun in his pocket or strapped to his body. I don't know if he is totally liable here if he has a permit. But if he's guilty of the $100,000 corporate crime I hope he burns as an example to others.

hillbillypharmacist: Jerseylina: Is dude a convicted felon?

In most states, it is illegal to carry a handgun without a permit.

not quite. it's usually illegal to carry a *concealed* handgun without a permit. many states (11?) now allow 'open carry' without a permit.

New York's gun laws are stupid. I don't own a pistol but I know people who do and the amount of rigmarole they have to go through to buy one legally would make any otherwise law abiding citizen think about going out and acquiring one under the table.

It is even stupider when you think about how you can get all the guns you want in Vermont or Pennsylvania without these shenanigans. Plus for those of us who live in "Upstate" new york the living environment is much different than NYC yet we are still controlled by laws that were set up to fit their situation.

/submitter
//69th green light!
///giggity

RDMA:

Upstate NY, particularly the western tier, is armed about as thoroughly as Texas. CCW permits are as hard to get as drivers' licenses.


Shenanigans. Erie county (where Buffalo is, for those non-NYers) is apparently quite rough with giving out pistol permits. Supposedly if you apply for one be prepared to have it heavily restricted (even though there is no basis in law for them doing so) and have it take up to a year to go through the paperwork.

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Derringer makes a revolver?

Derringer (2 R's) has become accepted as the generic name for a single action pocket pistol, originally made by Deringer.

hyperspacemonkey: Do people in your country actually walk around in body armour? Why do you suppose they have to in the first place? How is, "As long as we are wearing body armour we're ok" supposed to be a measure of safety for handguns?? (I know you didn't say that, but it's pretty much the obverse of your statement).

Yes, as a Pizza Deliverator I wear full body armor.

So, he got what he deserved. Not much of a story, there. :D

Robot Devil's Advocate: Yes, as a Pizza Deliverator I wear full body armor.

Mr. H. Protagonist would like a word with you.

I'm an RN in the ER. One of my biggest fears is when a trauma comes in. You need to strip them fast to do the secondary exam and stick a hose into every available orifice. It is only a matter of time before one of us gets shot because of some asshole with a weapon shoved down his pants with the safety off.

Yank, bang, it over.

hillbillypharmacist: Jerseylina: Is dude a convicted felon?

In most states, it is illegal to carry a handgun without a permit.
No it is not. Most states have reasonable gun laws, some states like NY have outrageous gun laws and even after the Heller smackdown they open themselves up to challenges.

Sean_L: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Derringer makes a revolver?

Derringer (2 R's) has become accepted as the generic name for a single action pocket pistol, originally made by Deringer.

That's interesting.

Guns laws are the perfect place for prosecutorial discretion. Was this man using a gun to commit a crime? did he mean to break the law (yeah, I know about specific intent rules)?

A little common sense and investigation will go a long way.

Fact is, you have a right to a handgun. The supreme court unanimously agrees that the 2nd amendment protects and individual right. Why?

Because it's implicit to our liberty.

I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Smegma: I'm an RN in the ER. One of my biggest fears is when a trauma comes in. You need to strip them fast to do the secondary exam and stick a hose into every available orifice. It is only a matter of time before one of us gets shot because of some asshole with a weapon shoved down his pants with the safety off.

Yank, bang, it over.

Please, I was an ER RN (CEN, CCRN) for more than a decade in Tampa. We never had that problem. We seldom had any unresponsive patients come in with a gun. Either the police had it in safe keeping already, or it was flung far away from the patient during his MVA or something like that.

Sure the occasional MI would come in with a gun, our security guards were not complete dolts and could actually lock it up until the patient was d/c, most times the family will simply take it home or lock it in the car. We leave it in the holster and put it in a patient belongings bag and give it to them. We don't freak out and think that guns shoot people all by themselves.

The only time there was a 'loose' gun in the ER was when some douchebag physician with an ankle holster decided to run to a code and his little gun came out of his ankle holster. It did not shoot anyone all by itself, but we did make fun of him for thinking a gun on his ankle was going to do anything in an emergency if it falls out when you run. He was from New Jersey so it was probably the novelty of being able to do what he wanted that led him to carry it that way. (N.B. the first thing to do at a code is take your own pulse. I've never run to a code, if someone is there to call the code, they can start interventions for the thirty seconds it takes to get the needed staff there.)

If you think all guns have a safety, please don't touch any guns and let the adults take care of them. Stop, don't touch, leave the area, and tell an adult.

My worst fear as a nurse is a bloodborne pathogen exposure. I've never had a needle stick but I've been bitten on the arm by a HIV+ patient. I'd rather have been shot in the arm. If I get shot I don't have to take a prophylactic antiretroviral cocktail that makes me feel like crap for weeks, nor do I have to get serial blood work for years.

You are just a drama queen who does not like guns, if you are that afraid go work on the floor.

/I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.
//Next time somebody shoots me I am shooting back.

Boobies for me. I live in Erie County and have an unrestricted permit. Took me a year and a half to get target/hunting, and another 2 years for unrestricted (translation: concealed carry). It's a pain, but in end, I didn't need to pay more than $150 to get the permit, including the training course.

SaintAnky: New York's gun laws are stupid. I don't own a pistol but I know people who do and the amount of rigmarole they have to go through to buy one legally would make any otherwise law abiding citizen think about going out and acquiring one under the table.

It is even stupider when you think about how you can get all the guns you want in Vermont or Pennsylvania without these shenanigans. Plus for those of us who live in "Upstate" new york the living environment is much different than NYC yet we are still controlled by laws that were set up to fit their situation.

/submitter
//69th green light!
///giggity

Same here in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, we have to live with laws intended for Detroit, Lansing, Grand Rapids etc. My closest neighbor is half a mile away, the closest town is 20 miles, yet if I want to go anywhere with one of my firearms it needs to be in a case, unloaded, the ammo stored separately, and locked in the trunk of the vehicle.

Compare that to Nebraska where you can have any firearm you want in your vehicle, it can be loaded unless it is a shotgun, provided it is in plain view, such as on the dash, or in the glove compartment. Stuff it under the seat and that is concealed. The UP is more like Nebraska as far as population, crime, and hunting than it is like Detroit. Why not different laws for different areas?

Traveling to Nebraska where my family lives requires driving through Wisconsin, I hope I never get searched there. I always take one rifle and one handgun at the very least, because I like to go shooting with friends and family while I am home. On the good side, the case keeps my rifle purdy...

So much for the rule of law.

I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Smegma 2009-02-21 02:50:27 PM
I'm an RN in the ER. One of my biggest fears is when a trauma comes in. You need to strip them fast to do the secondary exam and stick a hose into every available orifice. It is only a matter of time before one of us gets shot because of some asshole with a weapon shoved down his pants with the safety off.

Yank, bang, it over.

When has that ever happened?

Besides TV shows.

feckingmorons: I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Smegma: I'm an RN in the ER. One of my biggest fears is when a trauma comes in. You need to strip them fast to do the secondary exam and stick a hose into every available orifice. It is only a matter of time before one of us gets shot because of some asshole with a weapon shoved down his pants with the safety off.

Yank, bang, it over.

Please, I was an ER RN (CEN, CCRN) for more than a decade in Tampa. We never had that problem. We seldom had any unresponsive patients come in with a gun. Either the police had it in safe keeping already, or it was flung far away from the patient during his MVA or something like that.

Sure the occasional MI would come in with a gun, our security guards were not complete dolts and could actually lock it up until the patient was d/c, most times the family will simply take it home or lock it in the car. We leave it in the holster and put it in a patient belongings bag and give it to them. We don't freak out and think that guns shoot people all by themselves.

The only time there was a 'loose' gun in the ER was when some douchebag physician with an ankle holster decided to run to a code and his little gun came out of his ankle holster. It did not shoot anyone all by itself, but we did make fun of him for thinking a gun on his ankle was going to do anything in an emergency if it falls out when you run. He was from New Jersey so it was probably the novelty of being able to do what he wanted that led him to carry it that way. (N.B. the first thing to do at a code is take your own pulse. I've never run to a code, if someone is there to call the code, they can start interventions for the thirty seconds it takes to get the needed staff there.)

If you think all guns have a safety, please don't touch any guns and let the adults take care of them. Stop, don't touch, leave the area, and tell an adult.

My worst fear as a nurse is a bloodborne pathogen exposure. I've never had a needle stick but I've been bitten on the arm by a HIV+ patient. I'd rather have been shot in the arm. If I get shot I don't have to take a prophylactic antiretroviral cocktail that makes me feel like crap for weeks, nor do I have to get serial blood work for years.

You are just a drama queen who does not like guns, if you are that afraid go work on the floor.

/I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.
//Next time somebody shoots me I am shooting back.

This... I mean of all the legit fears that come with the job, you are afraid some unsecured handgun could possibly just maybe go off just right that it might just possibly hit you? Shiat do I have some horror stories to share then...

Bored Horde: hillbillypharmacist: Crosshair: So it appears that you have not disproven ambassador_ahab's statement.

Oh, and this guy was in New York. They prohibit open carry.

Isn't it more or less impossible to get a concealed carry in NY?

nope, fill out some forms, pay your unconstitutional tax and wait.

Trajan's Call'Em: hillbillypharmacist: Let the liberal frenzy begin!

OK, I will. If we made all hand guns illegal, we wouldn't have these kinds of issues. Hunters, keep your rifles and shotguns. All hand guns should be destroyed.

/Libby!

If that's a troll, then it's a poor attempt. If not, that's the most (I hate to use the word retarded because it'e played out) thing I've seen in some time, and this is Fark.

Its a good thing the Second Amendment prevents this Citizen's Right to Keep and Bear Arms UN-Infringed.

"They threw him into public"

Concealed in BAMA : 5 minutes and $15 at the sheriff's and
your good to go!!

Feel sorry if criminal tries to shoot up some place around here..
Most folks armed and will defend themselves and others.

/bless your heart.

I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Smegma

I'm an RN in the ER. One of my biggest fears Phobia is when a trauma comes in. You need to strip them fast to do the secondary exam and stick a hose into every available orifice. It is only a matter of time before one of us gets shot because of some asshole with a weapon shoved down his pants with the safety off.

Yank, bang, it over.

* Trigger needs to be pulled before gun discharges (unless it's placed in an oven)

* Do not place patients in oven. One of them might have a firearm in his pants and it would go "yank, bang, it over" in a couple of minutes or so and ruin oven.

* He who puts loaded weapon down his pants is in more danger than you are.

* Carry on.