If by "most unstable" he means "totally gay" then, yes, I agree

"The idea that the value is created by the consumer is an idiot plan, it can't work"

Deal with it, Paley. We're in charge here.

Isn't value always created by the consumer, by their willingness to buy something or not?

cheshirecatsmileyface: Isn't value always created by the consumer, by their willingness to buy something or not?

yes. which is what makes his point sort of interesting, since music is an 'artistic creation' and not a truly tangible good or service.

cheshirecatsmileyface: Isn't value always created by the consumer, by their willingness to buy something or not?

sure, but putting the price-setting decision on the buyer makes the balance of power in the exchange tip much more toward the consumer, since most consumers seek to minimize the amount of money they outlay

steveurkel: cheshirecatsmileyface: Isn't value always created by the consumer, by their willingness to buy something or not?

yes. which is what makes his point sort of interesting, since music is an 'artistic creation' and not a truly tangible good or service.

Well, he is the stranger.

emocomputerjock: steveurkel: cheshirecatsmileyface: Isn't value always created by the consumer, by their willingness to buy something or not?

yes. which is what makes his point sort of interesting, since music is an 'artistic creation' and not a truly tangible good or service.

Well, he is the stranger.

Killing an Arab.

Robert Smith claims The Cure is the most unstable band in rock, except for The Fall...

I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH....

Value is in the eye of the beholder

albo: cheshirecatsmileyface: Isn't value always created by the consumer, by their willingness to buy something or not?

sure, but putting the price-setting decision on the buyer makes the balance of power in the exchange tip much more toward the consumer, since most consumers seek to minimize the amount of money they outlay

And creators try to jack us for as much as they can. It's the circle of life.

As i've always said:

An FINITE demand divided by INFINITE supply is a value as close to zero as makes no odds.

If it can be digitized, the supply is virtually infinite. The demand for any given product is finite. Only X number of people have any interest in the item.

Data (itself) is WORTHLESS. This battle is already over, the bands and agencies just haven't admitted it yet.

Here's another thought: Cut out middle men, cut out share holders and executives. Each of these groups adds to the cost of music. Get rid of them, we don't need 'em.

So sell me something i can't download.
- Tickets to a show
- Merch
- Limited editions, special editions
- Include in each album and single a raffle ticket. Before the world tour starts, pick some numbers. Some winners get free tickets, some get backstage passes to the closest show, one or two get a flight to London or NYC and a hotel room and get to see the show in style.

Jonathon Coulton (who i'm seeing tonight in concert) gives his music away. You can pay if you like, even overpay if you like. He makes a good living off touring, merch, sales and get this... tips. At every show someone from the fansite passes out beanie babies and safety pins. Fans attach bills to the beanies then at some determined point in the show, everyone throws them at the stage. It has to be hundreds of $ per show.

Sorry Fat Bob, you're on the wrong side of this. Embrace the 90s, then catch up with the rest of us.

/disintegration is the best album ever!

Say what you will but they still are one of my favorite bands.

I saw them last year and it was AWESOME. They played for 3 1/2 hours. 3 encores!!!

Read my review of the show HERE! (with pics!)



/'Disintegration' is still one of the best albums ever!
//For reals!

Spinal Tap would disagree, subby.

/at least their percussion session would.

the Cure are the most unstable band in rock. Bar the Fall, obviously. They're a rocking recession of a band: their future hangs constantly in the balance, each release may be their last, no member's job is entirely safe.

Tell that to the guys who used to make up XTC. Life in that band made being in The Cure look like landing a job at a Japanese auto company in the 1980s.

I loved the Cure, still do. I saw them for the Disintegration tour. Special guests were the Sugarcubes. Bjork was just a singer in a crazy band. Good times.

solcofn: Say what you will but they still are one of my favorite bands.

I saw them last year and it was AWESOME. They played for 3 1/2 hours. 3 encores!!!

Read my review of the show HERE! (with pics!)

/'Disintegration' is still one of the best albums ever!
//For reals!

I got tickets for my girlfriend and I since they were playing here on her birthday, even though she'd never really heard them before. 3 1/2 hours later and my Persian girlfriend is totally in love with one of the whitest bands on Earth. Such a great show.

4:13 Dream is really good album. After the disappointing Wild Mood Swings and Bloodflowers the Cure is back on track.

/Download: The Perfect Boy

If NIN can make downloads work for them, him--whatever, then why can't the Cure make downloads work for them? ... him--whatever.

Robert Smith is one of the more under-the-radar crazy, insane drunks in Rock N Roll history.

I remember watching Robert Smith puke on the sideline during Viking games.

Wait...wrong guy.

irockalot: Robert Smith claims The Cure is the most unstable band in rock, except for The Fall...

I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH,
I have to agree-AH, with this response-AH....

Dammit! Came in to do a similar schtick.

Bingo Masters Break Out!

solcofn: I saw them last year and it was AWESOME. They played for 3 1/2 hours. 3 encores!!!

I saw them in 1989 in Houston and they played for 3 1/2 hours. Last year, I went to see them in Dallas and told myself, no way they play that long, they are much older now. Damned if they didn't play 3 1/2 hours again at nearly 50 years old. And yes, it was an awesome show!

/Favorite Fark headline ever: Still no cancer for The Cure

FTFA: "The idea that the value is created by the consumer is an idiot plan, it can't work".

Really? Then why does he take money for performing it or from sales of his records?

Outside of 'artists' blathering about politics this is the
stupidest thing I have heard from a musician.

Without fans wanting to hear his music and willing to pay
for it he would nothing more than some unknown bloke getting
drunk most nights at his local pub.

Without someone willing to pay for it there is no monetary value
to his songs.

Now he can be an azzhat and say he wasn't talking about 'monetary
value' but he would be lying.

A thing is worth what people are willing to pay for it. That's it.

/he played for 3 1/2 hours in Sydney couple of years ago, but the volume was so low it was torture.

3 1/2 hours of what sounded like it would have been really good (this was the Entertainment Center). Apparently if you were down in the VIP stage front area, it was great. People were literally screaming "turn it up!!!!!" over and over.

Worst. Concert. Ever.

Fark U 2009-02-20 09:59:12 PM
Yeah, newsflash FANS

Nobody needs you to download their shiat for free, socialists.

Well, FU, according to Smith, "The idea that the value is created by the consumer is an idiot plan, it can't work" so if a fan
doesnt bring value to Smith's product why should Smith expect to paid for it?

Without demand there is no intrinsic value therefore consumers
DO create value because without people wanting his music it is
worthless to everyone but him.

Or another way:
Smith can say his songs are worth a $1 or a million dollars but without people willing to pay for it - again creating value - it isn't worth anything.

I truly expected someone of his caliber to place music on a higher plane than that pig Gene Simmons does.

Oh, well. Live and learn.

I'll try not to confuse this salesman for a musician ever again, or his products for music.

What is a piece of art worth?
What its patron is willing to pay for it.
Who is the patron?



There you go, Bobby.

"The worst thing we did to Lol was when me and Simon stripped him on the bus. We were pulling up to a hotel in Chicago, it was about five in the morning, we're saying: 'We're going to a health club, Lol, we're all gonna get a rub-down'. 'Awloveeelovegreat.' 'We're going to strip now and it's straight out of the bus door, straight into a hot tub.' He's like: 'Riiightoootherewaaghh'. So we pretend to take our trousers off and he actually takes his trousers off and his pants and at the bottom of the hotel steps there's a porter with one of those luggage things with wheels. So we put Lol on it and go: 'Into the hot tub!' and we push him through reception of the Chicago Hilton. Simon rolls Lol into the lift and goes, 'You f***ing idiot' and the lift doors close."

that's awesome!