I flush all of them, all the time.

Seems like a 5th amendment violation.

Diogenes: Seems like a 5th amendment violation.

Maybe a First Amendment violation, too.

Who are those Republicans? They look like butt knuckle Republicans.

wow. W. and co. can "lose" e-mails yet private citizens would be forced to keep a two year log of all wifi activity?

F*ck you. F*ck you very much.

hhahahahah...breathe...hhahahahahaha

Good luck enforcing that considering the log files are plain text that you could fake/edit with WordPad.

Hooray for "small government conservatives!!"

Each of the companion bills is titled "Internet Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth Act,"

There must have some real nefarious purposes for this bill to give it a name with that many buzzwords.

Lionel Mandrake: Hooray for "small government conservatives!!"

They're almost extinct.

GaryPDX: Who are those Republicans? They look like butt knuckle Republicans.

And they're the ones running the party.

90% of users will say... logs what logs ?

Benefit:
To provide law enforcement with a tool to track wardrivers who are downloading kiddie porn, and to prevent people from using illicit wireless access as a defense to criminal activity.

Problem:
It is stupidly easy to modify or fake wireless access logs, and router logs are useless since spoofed access can make it look like a friendly computer is on the network.

When it comes right down to it, this law is going to be nigh unenforceable and useless to law enforcement without creating a significant invasion of privacy.

Lundah: GaryPDX: Who are those Republicans? They look like butt knuckle Republicans.

And they're the ones running the party.

Running it into the ground, in case you hadn't noticed. Maybe they'll get it one day. I doubt it, but, hey, you gotta dream, you know?

IrateShadow: There must have some real nefarious purposes for this bill to give it a name with that many buzzwords.

no; douchebag congressmen just get raging hard-ons for acronyms - it's the iSAFETY act

Nabb1: Running it into the ground, in case you hadn't noticed. Maybe they'll get it one day. I doubt it, but, hey, you gotta dream, you know?

I shake my head because not a lot of things make sense. These new Liberal Democrats aren't that party I once knew either. Strange days.

How about the government cleans house and shows that it can keep its own communications logs intact, then we can discuss the other fifteen problems with this piece of bullshiat 5th-amendment-stomping legislation.

Besides... how many routers actually keep logs more than 30-90 days? And that's just by default. After that, how many farking users know how to go in and change how long it stores the logs? And then how to recover said logs?

Luckily, the Democrats are in charge of the government, so there is no way this will pass.

I Said: wow. W. and co. can "lose" e-mails yet private citizens would be forced to keep a two year log of all wifi activity?

F*ck you. F*ck you very much.

This!

What you don't believe this scenario:

Judge: "Give us those emails"

Bush Lawyer: "They were deleted"

Judge "Ok give us the drives, so we can try to recover the files"

Bush Lawyer: "Well they got damaged"

Judge: "Ok give us the damaged drives"

Bush Lawyer: "Ummm well they are gone, yeah, they are gone".


Why is no one going to jail for that?

Bloody William: How about the government cleans house and shows that it can keep its own communications logs intact, then we can discuss the other fifteen problems with this piece of bullshiat 5th-amendment-stomping legislation.

Besides... how many routers actually keep logs more than 30-90 days? And that's just by default. After that, how many farking users know how to go in and change how long it stores the logs? And then how to recover said logs?

If they're worried about average Americans not being able to figure out of they need a digital-to-analog converter box...just wait until they try to explain to Americans how to do log maintenance for wireless routers.

I fail to see how this would account for things like, say, server crashes, viruses, etc.

IrateShadow: Each of the companion bills is titled "Internet Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth Act,"

There must have some real nefarious purposes for this bill to give it a name with that many buzzwords.

The only thing they left out was naming it after some poor molested kid. Like, Blair's Law, or Natalie's Law.

IrateShadow: Each of the companion bills is titled "Internet Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth Act,"

There must have some real nefarious purposes for this bill to give it a name with that many buzzwords.

Ever noticed that most bills that effectively screw the consumer in terms of internet service have something to with "the children?" The attempts for ISP content filtering are ostensibly to 'slow the spread of child porn' but that's really just the most cynical sort of farce, designed so that they can throttle your connection rather than investing in their own networks. But hey, they want to throttle the connections of people who distribute child porn (also!)!

Child porn! = WhhhAAAAAAArgggble

Wait, I take that back. I really do hope that they pass this bill. I will then be able to quit my job and go around and do wireless log maintenance for hundreds of people in my city. I'll be RICH, biatches! RICH!

Nabb1: Maybe a First Amendment violation, too.

That's my first reaction as well: compelled speech is rather problematic. While there are situations (e.g. license plates) where you can be compelled to speak by the government, this would be new ground. After all, there would have to be a judicial discussion of whether wifi access points are broadcasting in the legal sense, whether the speech (i.e. logs) are thus being held out for public consumption, etc.

Lando Lincoln: I'll be RICH, biatches! RICH!

That will soon be illegal.

Snarfangel: Luckily, the Democrats are in charge of the government, so there is no way this will pass.

Exactly...they wouldn't want to make it easier to catch their terrorist buddies, after all

/;)

Snarfangel: Luckily, the Democrats are in charge of the government, so there is no way this will pass.

FTFA in case my sarcasm meter is broken: The legislation, which echoes a measure proposed by one of their Democratic colleagues three years ago, would impose unprecedented data retention requirements on a broad swath of Internet access providers and is certain to draw fire from businesses and privacy advocates.

They pass that and I am moving to the UK. And I am taking my tin-foil hat with me.

IrateShadow: Each of the companion bills is titled "Internet Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth Act,"

There must have some real nefarious purposes for this bill to give it a name with that many buzzwords.

What does "Exploitation of Today's Youth Act" mean? Are they trying to cut down on Jonas Brothers knock-offs? If so, that's change I can believe in.

I plan to store my DHCP logs on the RNC servers. That way I can be assured that they're available if I ever need them.

GOP - small federal government, out of your private life
and yet, they still cant figure out why they lost?

now the SPEND and NOT PAY GOP -
clearly they should have created a new agency to just scan the WiFi waves and save all the data for 2 years

this would have fit into the new GOP MANTA - big unpaid for government, which is intrusive, watches everything you do, just in case a crime happens

/who are these people

Dancin_In_Anson: Lando Lincoln: I'll be RICH, biatches! RICH!

That will soon be illegal.

They'll show those evil evil rich people a thing or two. You wait and see. Just as soon as the private investment capital comes back..they'll be sorry.

mattharvest: I fail to see how this would account for things like, say, server crashes, viruses, etc.

...the fact that I go through about one router every nine months...do a clean install of my OS every year or so, frequently see if there's a firmware update for my router (which, I think, tends to scrag any router-kept logs), not to mention the fact that fark the US Government right in the ass if they think for one second that I'm keeping one single Goddamn piece of information for them.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I plan to store my DHCP logs on the RNC servers. That way I can be assured that they're available if I ever need them.

Hell, I'd just regularly email them to the RNC. Their email records-keeping is second to none.

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Abstaining.

dahmers love zombie: mattharvest: I fail to see how this would account for things like, say, server crashes, viruses, etc.

...the fact that I go through about one router every nine months...do a clean install of my OS every year or so, frequently see if there's a firmware update for my router (which, I think, tends to scrag any router-kept logs), not to mention the fact that fark the US Government right in the ass if they think for one second that I'm keeping one single Goddamn piece of information for them.

Do any consumer routers actually store logs for 2 years? I thought most kept only 30-90 days.

I demand that, if this act passes, the government provide me with a terabyte of storage in order to maintain my logs. Furthermore, it must be a solid state drive, as they're more reliable.

IrateShadow: Each of the companion bills is titled "Internet Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth Act,"

There must have some real nefarious purposes for this bill to give it a name with that many buzzwords.

Not disputing the nefarious nature of the bill... but it's just another one of those stupid friggin' retronyms. They figured out what they wanted it to abbreviate to and then filled in all the necessary buzzwords later.

Internet Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth Act.

Oh, and to hell with the children. The weird kid obsession in this country is disturbing.

GaryPDX: Dancin_In_Anson: Lando Lincoln: I'll be RICH, biatches! RICH!

That will soon be illegal.

They'll show those evil evil rich people a thing or two. You wait and see. Just as soon as the private investment capital comes back..they'll be sorry.

Yeah, all those rich Democratic leaders are going to outlaw wealth. Yeah...that'll happen. Any...day...now....

When will people learn that you cannot legislate peristalsis?

imbrial: When will people learn that you cannot legislate peristalsis?

Precursor to a turd tax of some sort?

NikolaiFarkoff: I flush all of them, all the time.

if it's yellow let it mellow
but if it's brown, you better god damn flush it down

It's a recipe for political abuse. If it passes, it will go mostly unenforced, of course.. But if someone in power wants someone to take a fall, it's a simple matter of asking them to produce their logs, and then frogmarching them out of their house.

"While the Internet has generated many positive changes in the way we communicate and do business, its limitless nature offers anonymity that has opened the door to criminals looking to harm innocent children," U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, said at a press conference on Thursday. "Keeping our children safe requires cooperation on the local, state, federal, and family level."

Joining Cornyn was Texas Rep. Lamar Smith, the senior Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, and Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, who said such a measure would let "law enforcement stay ahead of the criminals."


When you goddamned Texan politicians lick the dingleberries off of my anus, I'll consider providing them with my non-existent wifi logs.

This won't happen, quite a few years ago OSHA tried to regulate home offices and the outcry was huge. The gov't basically saying your router logs are now gov't property won't fly.

FTFA: "While the Internet has generated many positive changes in the way we communicate and do business, its limitless nature offers anonymity that has opened the door to criminals looking to harm innocent children," U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, said at a press conference on Thursday. "Keeping our children safe requires cooperation on the local, state, federal, and family level."

This makes me want to scream. If you're going to be a "small government" Republican, please come up with something more original than "protect the children" when you want to make the government bigger and violate the right to privacy of your citizens.

thomps: IrateShadow: There must have some real nefarious purposes for this bill to give it a name with that many buzzwords.

no; douchebag congressmen just get raging hard-ons for acronyms - it's the iSAFETY act

Good job. You must be on a lot of ignore lists.

GaryPDX: Dancin_In_Anson: Lando Lincoln: I'll be RICH, biatches! RICH!

That will soon be illegal.

They'll show those evil evil rich people a thing or two. You wait and see. Just as soon as the private investment capital comes back..they'll be sorry.

What a drama queen circle jerk might look like...