Nirvana was more a symbolic upheaval than some sort of genius band. Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. That was mine.

There's always some asshole that comes into a music thread to say that whatever band the thread's about wasn't all they were cracked up to be. It just means they're an asshole, not that the band was lacking in any way. Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. That was mine.

My opinion is that this thread will be nothing but an endless array of douchebag. Except for this post, of course. Assholes.

Weird Al Smells Like Nirvava (new window)

Everyone in this thread is a tone-deaf douchebag with terrible taste in music. Except me, of course.

/putting on Ann Murray's Greatest Hits and rockin' out to Snowbird

Bill_Wick's_Friend:

/putting on Ann Murray's Greatest Hits and rockin' out to Snowbird

Edith Piaf, Live at Carnegie Hall on my speakers right now...damn but that woman had soul!

Cobain's birthday and Gene Siskel's deathday. Coincidence? Yes, probably.

Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. Except me.

I have Procedural Texture's opinion.

dudemanbro: There's always some asshole that comes into a music thread to say that whatever band the thread's about wasn't all they were cracked up to be. It just means they're an asshole, not that the band was lacking in any way. Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. That was mine.

Assholes are like opinions; Everybody has one and they all stink.

dudemanbro: There's always some asshole that comes into a music thread to say that whatever band the thread's about wasn't all they were cracked up to be. It just means they're an asshole, not that the band was lacking in any way. Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. That was mine.

They were overrated. That's my opinion.

kurt was a quitter

Ever heard The Ballad of Kurt Cobain?

Da da dunt
Da da da da da dunt
BOOM!

I hate when people come to a music thread and tell everyone how bad the linked band is. So I am NOT going to say that Kurt was an overrated hack that had musical talent equivalent to that of a 6 year old on meth and was a selfish cocksucker that left behind a daughter to fulfill his own selfish desires. I will NOT do that.

Nirvana's music has not aged well. It's so dated, it reminds me of George Bush I, Desert Storm and MTV actually played music videos.

Is that a bear?

Courtney Love Killed Kurt Cobain

I saw then once in Nov of 1990, SF Ibeam

I'm thankful that Nirvana was around.

And I'm also thankful Kurt blew his brains out (or Mz Love).

Why?

Because if Kurt hadn't blown his brains out



the Foo Fighters wouldn't have come around.

/Every beginning is somebody's beginning's end?

I agree with whoever it was that said it that Kurt Cobain was a natural bluesman. I really wish he'd had time to do that acoustic record with Michael Stipe.

i was in basic training when he offed himself.

Stay Cool Babylon: Nirvana was more a symbolic upheaval than some sort of genius band. Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. That was mine.

i'm going to agree with you. They came in at the right time with the right sound. i still enjoy hearing SLTS on the radio, but most of their songs are incoherent (a mulato, an albino, a mosquito, my libido, a dorito, yeah! WtF?). i've enjoyed Foo Fighters far more. Their songs make sense to me.

They did take us from the early nineties being an extension of the late eighties. For that, i'm appreciative.

I liked Nirvana back in the day but I hear radio stations around here constantly playing their stuff all the farkin time. Sure, it was great back in middle/high school but in a couple of years MY kid is going to be in middle school. Can we please move on to something a little more timely? Something even from this decade would be nice. It's getting to the point to where I want to blow Kurt's brains out.
For that matter, same with Pearl Jam. I love those guys. They are still one of my favorite bands. I am, however, sick of Jeremy and the rest of Ten. Their last album has some really great songs on it but even when it was brand new I heard more old stuff than new stuff. Time to move on people.

Stay Cool Babylon: Nirvana was more a symbolic upheaval than some sort of genius band.

I'd say that's partially true. They definitely represented an upheaval, but have you ever heard Cobain talk about the kind of music he was trying to create? Or more importantly the kind of music he was trying to get away from?

Cobain hated the "slick 80s sound" that was over-produced and over the top, so he set out to go the opposite course and come up with something raw, unpolished, and real. And I don't think there's any doubt that's what he did.

/Milk It BABY!!!
//R.I.P Kurt Cobain, you are missed

TeddyBallGame: I hate when people come to a music thread and tell everyone how bad the linked band is. So I am NOT going to say that Kurt was an overrated hack that had musical talent equivalent to that of a 6 year old on meth and was a selfish cocksucker that left behind a daughter to fulfill his own selfish desires. I will NOT do that.

Neither will I.

Well, this is my own theory...

I believe that Grunge music was intentionally propped up by the music business. Not a "conspiracy" - more of a behind the scenes collusion to promote a new genre for profit.
I believe Nirvana was raised up into the spotlight and wouldn't have been successful without this plan to promote a new genre. Although it could have been any band...
The financial benefits (albeit alleged plot) are obvious, yet, from a personal perspective - I remember what was going on in the late 80's with MTV/HeadBanger's Ball and how metal and rock-rap/ rock-metal were really the hot genre..
All off a sudden, out of the blue came "Grunge". It just didn't feel like an organic process. The way it just exploded onto the scene. I know some may argue that it was a ground-roots type of thing; with fans mailing tapes to each other, fanzines, etc...
Yet, the muscle power of the bigwigs in the music industry is required to seal the deal.

/Again, just a theory

zvoidx: Well, this is my own theory...

I have no doubt that some kind of marketing was behind grunge, but the Majors had been signing up plenty of precursors for the past few years before Nirvana (See: the Replacements, Husker Du, Sonic Youth, Jane's Addiction, Dinosaur Jr, even Soundgarden (who were originally supposed to be the Big Grunge Band)). I don't think it was necessarily an overnight thing, but a slow build that eventually really took off.

Metal had been around for years and probably will be. Outside of Anthrax/Public Enemy, I'm hard pressed to really think of another rap/rock act outside of RATM, and even then I'd tie them more to the Alternative scene than anything.


as far as Nirvana the band goes, I agree with the "Symbolic upheaval" point. I like Nirvana, but I'm skeptical that they will be seen some kind of musical geniuses. They helped kill Hair Metal, good for them, but they weren't really doing anything that wasn't being done by much better bands before them. And while said bands were almost complete unknowns at the time, the internet has made them more relevant than ever.


That said, I would still love for mainstream music to have the early-90s mentality where it seemed like the mainstream was much more open.

Rev.K: Cobain hated the "slick 80s sound" that was over-produced and over the top, so he set out to go the opposite course and come up with something raw, unpolished, and real. And I don't think there's any doubt that's what he did.

Oh I actually like Nirvana and am appreciative for their sound essentially saving the rest of my youth from the slick gimmicks of arena rock. I just think that many other bands could have pulled off being a symbol for something, as opposed to an actual songwriting juggernaut - and there were a ton of bands quietly toiling away in the same vain as Nirvana. It was just Cobain and Co. who happened to be around when an entire culture was getting pretty damned sick of Mr. Big, Extreme (!!), or any number of hair conditioner adverts pawning off yet another version of "Rock You Like a Hurricane."

So I'm not pitching an anti-Nirvana fit as I am pointing out that they were the confluence of certain factors that, taken together, turned into this 'musical revolution.' In other words, I'm trying to be polite while maintaining that they were unbelievably overrated! Still a good band, though. I think you would have to be functionally retarded to actually say that they "sucked."

zvoidx: I believe that Grunge music was intentionally propped up by the music business. Not a "conspiracy" - more of a behind the scenes collusion to promote a new genre for profit.

well we spread the word through the underground
that we were the hottest new thing in town
the record guy came out to see us one day
and just like always we didn't play
it knocked him out
he said he loved our work
he said he loved our work but he wasn't sure if he could sell a record
with nothing on it
i said tell 'em we're from seattle
he advanced us two and a half million dollars

Hugh Jardon: dudemanbro: There's always some asshole that comes into a music thread to say that whatever band the thread's about wasn't all they were cracked up to be. It just means they're an asshole, not that the band was lacking in any way. Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. That was mine.

They were overrated. That's my opinion.

How exactly where they overrated? They lead the charge on a very significant shift in popular music. They are not my favorite band from that era but to deny their impact on music is silly.

Procedural Texture: Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. Except me.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Stay Cool Babylon 2009-02-20 01:39:57 AM
Nirvana was more a symbolic upheaval than some sort of genius band. Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. That was mine.

Mine, too.

I like 'Smells like Nirvana' much more than the original.

apeiron242: i was in basic training when he offed himself.

Stay Cool Babylon: Nirvana was more a symbolic upheaval than some sort of genius band. Sorry, but everyone has an opinion. That was mine.

i'm going to agree with you. They came in at the right time with the right sound. i still enjoy hearing SLTS on the radio, but most of their songs are incoherent (a mulato, an albino, a mosquito, my libido, a dorito, yeah! WtF?). i've enjoyed Foo Fighters far more. Their songs make sense to me.

They did take us from the early nineties being an extension of the late eighties. For that, i'm appreciative.

Is this where Vince got his inspiration on the SlapChop commercial? "Fettuccine, linguini, martini, bikini"

of all the songs in that concert, subby picked THAT one?

It's my birthday too and I've already started celebrating so I'm really getting a kick out of just about anything...

Nirvana was better than the indie band you keep recommending to all of your friends who like Nirvana.

Sorry, that's just the way it is.

I never saw it coming...He swore he didn't have a gun.

Kirk Cobain on the set of Zombie Idol, (about 20 seconds in)...

Link (new window)

Too soon?

Nirvana had one good song. It was and still is highly anthemic, and an entire generation of young people who were sick of lipstick metal, angry at everything and nothing at the same time, and had yet to discover Alice in Chains latched onto it and proliferated a grunge movement that would dominate the popular airwaves for 5-6 years.


Nirvana has a place in history, and this is it. They were right place, right time, but you could say that about a lot of successful entities. If Nevermind is released in either 1986 or 1997, it gets ignored completely. Timing, as they say, is everything.

Post again on the anniversary of that idiot's death. Then we'll have a reason to celebrate.

purple helmet: Post again on the anniversary of that idiot's death. Then we'll have a reason to celebrate.

Your SN works. You really are a dick.

Derwood: of all the songs in that concert, subby picked THAT one?

THIS!!! (nsfw language at the beginning)

Well I am pretty sure that without Nirvana then the following bands may not have had a chance:

Primus RATM Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins etc.

\basically every 90s act out there. (and any one of your favorite "indie" bands today)

//For the love of Christ they knocked Michael Jackson off the Billboard 1 spot.

I love nirvana, yet I agree they are overrated. Is that ok? Am I allowed to do that?

People still talking about King Buzzo's little tag-a-long I see.

Pathetic tone deaf voice, mediocre musicianship, and average execution.

Yeah, this is the best Unplugged ever.

Not.

/Vixen was better
//Seriously

I always thought it funny I shared his birthday.

Always loved the music, don't care what the haters/elitists think.

/respek

Tom_Slick: zvoidx: I believe that Grunge music was intentionally propped up by the music business. Not a "conspiracy" - more of a behind the scenes collusion to promote a new genre for profit.

well we spread the word through the underground
that we were the hottest new thing in town
the record guy came out to see us one day
and just like always we didn't play
it knocked him out
he said he loved our work
he said he loved our work but he wasn't sure if he could sell a record
with nothing on it
i said tell 'em we're from seattle
he advanced us two and a half million dollars

Then we smashed our shiat...