I have no idea why this could be.

Anyone have the read on this from a trusted source, like Rush, Hannity, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly?

ragekage: I have no idea why this could be.

Anyone have the read on this from a trusted source, like Rush, Hannity, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly?

People are stupid, stupid.

Did you forget that we were stupid enough to elect an inexperienced, community organizing, muslin, athiest, foreign-born, turrist loving, half-breed empty suit with questionable associations?

Jeez.

ragekage: I have no idea why this could be.

Anyone have the read on this from a trusted source, like Rush, Hannity, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly?

Last I read, the meme being pushed was they're bribing the blacks, mexicans, and poor whites so they'll destroy the republican party.
As though the republicans needed help...

Tor_Eckman: Did you forget that we were stupid enough to elect an inexperienced, community organizing, muslin, athiest, foreign-born, turrist loving, half-breed empty suit with questionable associations?

You forgot to say that he has said nothing meaningful and is going against everything he said he'd do!

Maybe some people realize that being obstructionist assholes is doing nothing positive for the country. You know, you think after there was negotiation toward the Repub position that some of them would support the new bill. What was the point in changing the bill to something they would have liked more if none of them still voted for it?

GAT_00: What was the point in changing the bill to something they would have liked more if none of them still voted for it?

Technically, it kept them from filibustering the bill. Which I would've liked to see happen, if only because the fallout would've been interesting to watch.

Drakkenmaw: Technically, it kept them from filibustering the bill. Which I would've liked to see happen, if only because the fallout would've been interesting to watch.

Actually, what I was directly referring to was the House side of the bill. Graphs for comparison sake if you are interested. Plus in the Senate they don't have to filibuster because Reid is a dumbass. He keeps calling for cloture votes instead of forcing the Repubs to filibuster, which is stupid as hell because the support you can get airing ads with an asshole Repub senator standing up there with the phone book obstructing necessary regulation is worth a lot of popular support.

Approval ratings rising? Just after a new administration has been put in office? You don't say... Give it time, they're all crooks...

/ Duh...

But, but...the Liberal Media???

GAT_00: Maybe some people realize that being obstructionist assholes is doing nothing positive for the country. You know, you think after there was negotiation toward the Repub position that some of them would support the new bill. What was the point in changing the bill to something they would have liked more if none of them still voted for it?

Exactly how much of what you think they asked for did they actually get? There was nothing obstructionist about it... as it stilled passed without a single house GOP vote. So what did they actually obstruct in your mind?

As far as the Senate, they needed three votes and made a deal that would garner that. Was that obstructionist too? Obama kept saying how urgent the bill was so much so that Congress ignored their own bill which provided for a 48 full transparency to the public only delay the signing of it himself.

That's because Republicans are, frankly, out of ideas. They know that we know that they are not fiscal conservatives, and, given the chance, they will sell out with outrageous spending just as quick as you can say WMD.

FTA: " Approval for Congress among Democrats more than doubled, from 18 percent to 43 percent, from January to February. Independents showed a substantial increase, from 17 percent to 29 percent...By contrast, approval of Congress by Republicans fell from 23 percent to 19 percent."

OK, so the Democrats take control of both the Senate and House and people can't figure out why the Republican's Approval rating of Congress fell? What I find really interesting is that only 43% of Democrats approve of "their" Congress. And, in the usual spin, Democrats are really impressed that Independents approval rate has shot up to a WHOPPING 29%...and this is all right after the inauguration took place! I'd hold off on the balloons and streamers if I were you...

GAT_00: Plus in the Senate they don't have to filibuster because Reid is a dumbass. He keeps calling for cloture votes instead of forcing the Repubs to filibuster, which is stupid as hell because the support you can get airing ads with an asshole Repub senator standing up there with the phone book obstructing necessary regulation is worth a lot of popular support.

I can't for the life of me see why they wouldn't want to make the Republicans pull an outright filibuster instead of this "voting for cloture" nonsense. If they really want to kill legislation they should have to work for it.

I expect alot of bitterness in this thread
/Grabs popcorn

Tor_Eckman: Did you forget that we were stupid enough to elect an inexperienced, ...muslin...

Jeez.

We elected a fabric to be President?

drjekel_mrhyde: I expect alot of bitterness in this thread
/Grabs popcorn

Agreed
/give you a beer for some of that popcorn

I hate shiat like this. Do they ever poll intelligent people who actually perhaps hate their own members of Congress? Never seems like it. The people that they usually poll probably go something like this:

News: "They passed the stimulus package..."

People: YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

Obama: Uhh, guys, not so much right now...

People: YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

Obama: Not yet, chief.

People: YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

Democrats: We voted for it!

People: YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

Republicans: This bill sucks.

People: BOO! HISS!

Sane People: Did anyone actually read this thing?

People: SHUT UP! YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

And so on, and so on.

On the news a few weeks ago when the package was first up in the house people on the news (in East St. Louis of all places) were having stimulus parties (and not the good ones). They were actually having parties over this bill. These are the people who usually vote in polls, it seems like. If they would have polled FARK, I think it would have been between "Yeah, it's ok I guess" to "2 ton box of whargarbl".

31% is a good approval rating?

randomjsa: 31% is a good approval rating?

It's about average, and high for recent years.

As the President's agenda meets its first resistance in the Capitol, the establishment has a surprising army of defenders - the political press. (new window)


The villagers in the Washington press corps lose their influence if they challenge the Right Wing narrative that has been built in the last 30 years.

randomjsa: 31% is a good approval rating?

Better. That's the word you're looking for.

Reading comprehension. Not yours.

The Billdozer: I hate shiat like this. Do they ever poll intelligent people who actually perhaps hate their own members of Congress? Never seems like it. The people that they usually poll probably go something like this:

News: "They passed the stimulus package..."

People: YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

Obama: Uhh, guys, not so much right now...

People: YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

Obama: Not yet, chief.

People: YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

Democrats: We voted for it!

People: YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

Republicans: This bill sucks.

People: BOO! HISS!

Sane People: Did anyone actually read this thing?

People: SHUT UP! YEAH! WOOHOO! EVERYTHING'S FIXED!

And so on, and so on.

On the news a few weeks ago when the package was first up in the house people on the news (in East St. Louis of all places) were having stimulus parties (and not the good ones). They were actually having parties over this bill. These are the people who usually vote in polls, it seems like. If they would have polled FARK, I think it would have been between "Yeah, it's ok I guess" to "2 ton box of whargarbl".

I'm smarter than other people.

Get to the point man.

Meh. Congress got a little poll bounce in 2007 as well...all the way up to 34 or something!...and then people remembered they were the same syphilitic whores in different cheesy-ass thigh-high boots.

Psst...You wanna know why no one in the media is referencing Congressional approval ratings?

No. I did not want to know that. Thank you.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Exactly how much of what you think they asked for did they actually get? There was nothing obstructionist about it... as it stilled passed without a single house GOP vote. So what did they actually obstruct in your mind?

The whole point of a Stimulus bill is to stimulate the economy. Primarily by raising consumer confidence. By repeatedly saying "this isn't going to work" the GOP is trying to prevent it from working.

However, the GOP aren't offering any alternatives. At all. In an emergency: Lead, follow, or get out of the way!

Gulper Eel: Meh. Congress got a little poll bounce in 2007 as well...all the way up to 34 or something!...and then people remembered they were the same syphilitic whores in different cheesy-ass thigh-high boots.

At least put the subject into context.



Congressional approval is a goofy metric anyway, as it's not a national representative body, it's a regional representative body -- thus its approval as an institution isn't subject to the entire electorate from which these numbers derive -- which makes a poll of their approval of dubious significance.

Farking liberal media

Frank N Stein: That's because Republicans are, frankly, out of ideas. They know that we know that they are not fiscal conservatives, and, given the chance, they will sell out with outrageous spending just as quick as you can say WMD.

More importantly from a "the GOP is screwed" perspective, we know they aren't fiscal conservatives. And they can't figure out how to get the cows back into the barn on that one.

Despite their biggest effort many in the U.S. are not buying their schtick anymore. I guess when you control everything for 6 of the last 8 and control congress for 12 of the last 16 years, saying everything you farked up is the fault of the Democrats might be a little too brazen fro even the American people.

Kind of how they say the stimulus bill will not work and the only thing that will is the policies they used to get us into this mess.

Tor_Eckman [TotalFark] 2009-02-19 01:28:09 AM
ragekage: I have no idea why this could be.

Anyone have the read on this from a trusted source, like Rush, Hannity, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly?

People are stupid, stupid.

Did you forget that we were stupid enough to elect an inexperienced, community organizing, muslin, athiest, foreign-born, turrist loving, half-breed empty suit with questionable associations?
Jeez.

You forgot how often the Republicans called him -- due to their tenuous understanding of the word -- a 'socialist'. Ironically Freepers also called him a Fascist, though that was less common.

DarnoKonrad: Congressional approval is a goofy metric anyway, as it's not a national representative body, it's a regional representative body -- thus its approval as an institution isn't subject to the entire electorate from which these numbers derive -- which makes a poll of their approval of dubious significance.

This.

Also, what we should do is to ask people polled what Congress actually does. If they can't answer correctly then their opinion shouldn't count.

heavymetal: Despite their biggest effort many in the U.S. are not buying their schtick anymore. I guess when you control everything for 6 of the last 8 and control congress for 12 of the last 16 years, saying everything you farked up is the fault of the Democrats might be a little too brazen fro even the American people.

They're probably wishing they didn't push that "personal responsibility" gag so far.

"Uh, we meant for you. YOU be responsible. We've been elected and can't make mistakes. The libs can though."

Fark you, Republicans.

Death By Monkey: DarnoKonrad: Congressional approval is a goofy metric anyway, as it's not a national representative body, it's a regional representative body -- thus its approval as an institution isn't subject to the entire electorate from which these numbers derive -- which makes a poll of their approval of dubious significance.

This.

Also, what we should do is to ask people polled what Congress actually does. If they can't answer correctly then their opinion shouldn't count.

Second.

God, I knew people in my hometown who couldn't even name their farking senators, let alone their congressman.

Crunch61: Fark you, Republicans.

Yeah. The whole "breaking the all-time record for a 2 year session by the end of the first year" thing was pretty farking ridiculous. AND THEY HELD THE farkING EXECUTIVE TOO.

For years you Republicans have been telling me to "suck it"...

Your turn.

Crunch61: Fark you, Republicans.

THIS.

Death By Monkey: DarnoKonrad: Congressional approval is a goofy metric anyway, as it's not a national representative body, it's a regional representative body -- thus its approval as an institution isn't subject to the entire electorate from which these numbers derive -- which makes a poll of their approval of dubious significance.

This.

No, not this.

Congressional approval doesn't need to be mashed up like the Gallup poll. Those results are misleading because they include a moderate party with the GOP which is continuing it's downward death spiral of irrelevance.

GAT_00: Maybe some people realize that being obstructionist assholes is doing nothing positive for the country. You know, you think after there was negotiation toward the Repub position that some of them would support the new bill. What was the point in changing the bill to something they would have liked more if none of them still voted for it?

perhaps if they had been able to read it online for 5 days as pledged, since it was so important that the stimbill sat for a weekend.

Neeek: Crunch61: Fark you, Republicans.

Yeah. The whole "breaking the all-time record for a 2 year session by the end of the first year" thing was pretty farking ridiculous. AND THEY HELD THE farkING EXECUTIVE TOO.

It was the do nothing dems, its all their fault.

Yeah I didn't buy it either.

Liberal media propaganda is effective?

generaltimmy: perhaps if they had been able to read it online for 5 days as pledged, since it was so important that the stimbill sat for a weekend.

So what you're saying is that their panties were in such wads because they didn't get more time that they voted against it. I see... Got any more lame excuses as to why they pulled their partisan bullshiat again?

If this stimulus leads to another one ad the Repubs stick to their guns. If it works then the Dems win.

Shaggy_C: Liberal media propaganda is effective?

You're going to blow the lid off of this whole thing. Shhhhh

"You wanna know why no one in the media is referencing"

You mean except for the media you linked to subby?

Or maybe these media sources? (new window)

I think subby tried to start something and there were plenty of bites.

that is because republicans suck and love their swiss bank tax cuts.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29268064/

Frank N Stein: That's because Republicans are, frankly, out of ideas. They know that we know that they are not fiscal conservatives, and, given the chance, they will sell out with outrageous spending just as quick as you can say WMD.

Unfortunately this is so.

Honestly, I think the Republicans are stuck in a cold war mentality. US vs. THEM. So spending on 'defense' is a-okay. Then they went populist to try to garner the support of the middle class. Now all the sudden you have a party that's all spend all the time.

You dems should be angry at your party for skipping merrily along with the president when it came to war. Not angry at the repubs for voting against what I'll call 'your' stimulus.

I'm sorry that a lot of you guys are broke.

Seriously. I really am.

So much hate in you libs....

Drakkenmaw: Technically, it kept them from filibustering the bill. Which I would've liked to see happen, if only because the fallout would've been interesting to watch.

The Democrats would have just used the nuclear option, which I think the Republicans should have done last time around. This "fake filibuster" bullshiat is bullshiat.

Spanky_McFarksalot: "You wanna know why no one in the media is referencing"

You mean except for the media you linked to subby?

Or maybe these media sources? (new window)

I think subby tried to start something and there were plenty of bites.

See, they said "media" when they meant "F*X News pundits" and "FARK Independents^TM"...

/...and I said "they" when I meant "I"...

JohnnyC: generaltimmy: perhaps if they had been able to read it online for 5 days as pledged, since it was so important that the stimbill sat for a weekend.

So what you're saying is that their panties were in such wads because they didn't get more time that they voted against it. I see... Got any more lame excuses as to why they pulled their partisan bullshiat again?

Oh LORDY! The opposing party voted against us! Oh me oh my! This has never happened before!

/So what? We're just supposed to vote 'yes' on whatever you float us. Bite me.