you revoke their license, they drive anyway. you put a breathalyer in their car, and they rent another car.

What does it take to keep asshats like this off the road? Amputation of their legs and arms?

SilentStrider: you revoke their license, they drive anyway. you put a breathalyer in their car, and they rent another car.

What does it take to keep asshats like this off the road? Amputation of their legs and arms?

Bullets. I recommend hollow-points at point-blank range.

Benevolent Misanthrope: SilentStrider: you revoke their license, they drive anyway. you put a breathalyer in their car, and they rent another car.

What does it take to keep asshats like this off the road? Amputation of their legs and arms?

Bullets. I recommend hollow-points at point-blank range.

While I'd be happy to assist, my bleeding-heart liberal streak compels me to point out that simply blinding them would be very nearly as effective.

PoopStain: See, we need stronger DUI laws for people like this asshat. We should be letting people who blow a 0.08 off with a ticket and some mandatory classes.

Better yet, just have a license that has the restriction printed on it while it's restricted.

Then maybe the rental company would have known, and told him to GTFO.

hurdboy: PoopStain: See, we need stronger DUI laws for people like this asshat. We should be letting people who blow a 0.08 off with a ticket and some mandatory classes.

Better yet, just have a license that has the restriction printed on it while it's restricted.

Then maybe the rental company would have known, and told him to GTFO.

In PA they are listed as restricted and printed with a different color than normal licenses, I can't believe that would not be the case everywhere.

Suggestion for these asshats: Go to store, buy booze. Drink booze at home.

jfarkinB: Benevolent Misanthrope: SilentStrider: you revoke their license, they drive anyway. you put a breathalyer in their car, and they rent another car.

What does it take to keep asshats like this off the road? Amputation of their legs and arms?

Bullets. I recommend hollow-points at point-blank range.

While I'd be happy to assist, my bleeding-heart liberal streak compels me to point out that simply blinding them would be very nearly as effective.


"The Fark YOU say!"

^{/yeah, yeah. hot.}

Benevolent Misanthrope: Bullets. I recommend hollow-points at point-blank range.

Seize and crush the car on the first offense unless it's actually *stolen* and somebody gets charged with theft.

Don't think it would've stopped this guy? I goddamn guarantee that if the rental outfits faced seizure-on-first-offense they'd have better tech and better background checks.

(Yes, I know there's pressing problems with US technology, methodology, and enforcement of current DUI laws. Note, though, that I said seize *and crush* -- no profit motive should help clean that up.)

How freakin' retarded do you have to be?

Is this guy even classified as human?

Why is it necessary to him to drive drunk? Can't he just wither away in his home like all the normal alcoholics?

They should punch a restrictions code (Like:502E, '502=DUI' 'E=Equipment/Breathalyzer') into the actual license. Then rental companies and bosses & etc will have heads-up.

When the restriction is removed they can get a clean license.

Man with a history of DUIs bypasses the court-ordered Breathalyzer in his vehicle by renting a car. Would have gotten away with it if he hadn't crashed into a pole while drunk

Was the Pole hurt?

How many Poles does take to screw up your plan to drive under the influence?

jesdynf: Don't think it would've stopped this guy? I goddamn guarantee that if the rental outfits faced seizure-on-first-offense they'd have better tech and better background checks.

Rental cars at a mere $300/day or more - I like this idea! Sign my ass up!

jfarkinB: While I'd be happy to assist, my bleeding-heart liberal streak compels me to point out that simply blinding them would be very nearly as effective.

If you want to see what it's like to have to deal with blind drivers, come here to Charlottesville.

I used to install breathalyzers into the cars of those who were stopped for DUI.

So I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

This is premeditated drunk driving.

Does he at least get brownie points for sheer audacity?

This just in:
The Pole survived.

Detai;s were sketchy, until an eyewitness, an overdrawn Chezk, came forward,

Great Janitor: I used to install breathalyzers into the cars of those who were stopped for DUI.

So I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

So...is it possible (my daughter's friend claims he does this...auch, the asshole) to rig the thing so he can suck through the other end, somehow, to fool the thing into starting his car? I'd like to prove the little prick wrong when he brags on "beating the system" and driving drunk. Gawd, he makes me sick.

I still don't understand our alcohol laws.

Ok, so you started drinking at a bar so that you could bang the hot latina waitress. You were conscious of your decision at the time you started pounding down shots of Jager in order to impress said latina. But after that point, when you were shiat-faced, why are you still legally in control of your actions? I've been incredibly drunk before, and it led to pissing on national landmarks, driving to Del Taco at 4:00AM, and screwing women I wish I hadn't.

Under the law, you are liable for everything that happens after the moment you said "Eh, fark it, give me another shot." But are you truly? You may be culpable for that first (second, or third) drink after that moment, but for everything that happened afterward? Were you not drunk afterward, and therefore unable to make a rational decision about your well-being? If women can press rape charges against men while they were drunk, cannot men file civil suits against drunk driving regulations because they didn't know what was going on?

There isn't a single valid reason why those convicted of DUI shouldn't be placed on mandatory Antabuse therapy. The problem isn't the driving, it's the drinking. Stop the drinking and the other problem takes care of itself. Attempting to lock down ONE vehicle is idiotic - right up there with requiring sex offenders to register their email address...'cause there's no way they could just go sign up for a different one somewhere or buy their own goddamn DOMAIN and have an unlimited number of throw-away addresses, right?

Governments in general are dumb as dirt, but judges and legislators are the stupidest of the lot.

Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Under the law, you are liable for everything that happens after the moment you said "Eh, fark it, give me another shot." But are you truly? You may be culpable for that first (second, or third) drink after that moment, but for everything that happened afterward? Were you not drunk afterward, and therefore unable to make a rational decision about your well-being? If women can press rape charges against men while they were drunk, cannot men file civil suits against drunk driving regulations because they didn't know what was going on?

Voluntary intoxication is not a valid defense in court. This is why designated drivers are such a good idea.

SilentStrider: you revoke their license, they drive anyway. you put a breathalyer in their car, and they rent another car.

What does it take to keep asshats like this off the road? Amputation of their legs and arms?

Yes...go on....

An exploding collar (like in Wedlock) that explodes if the perp tries to drink and drive. (it explodes before they even turn the key)


/Guaranteed last DUI attempt...

Benevolent Misanthrope: SilentStrider: you revoke their license, they drive anyway. you put a breathalyer in their car, and they rent another car.

What does it take to keep asshats like this off the road? Amputation of their legs and arms?

Bullets. I recommend hollow-points at point-blank range.

I agree. I mean after all, he drove with a "loaded gun" so to speak and could have killed someone.

Awesome. I'm inspired.

WildMonkey: Is this guy even classified as human?

Negative, he is a meat Popsicle

CruiserTwelve: Voluntary intoxication is not a valid defense in court. This is why designated drivers are such a good idea.

But there is only one moment where you choose "voluntary intoxication" for yourself. The moment when you say, "Eh, fark it, give me another shot of Jager so that I can bang this latina waitress." The rest of the time you're completely drunk, and unable to make conscious decisions for yourself. If women can successfully prosecute men for rape when the women themselves were drunk, then the same should apply in all cases.

Either we're all accountable for our actions while drunk, or none of us are.

While I'd be happy to assist, my bleeding-heart liberal streak compels me to point out that simply blinding them would be very nearly as effective.

I'd betting that wouldn't stop them.

Pegasus_CAG: While I'd be happy to assist, my bleeding-heart liberal streak compels me to point out that simply blinding them would be very nearly as effective.

I'd betting that wouldn't stop them.

Driving drunk and blind rather than just driving blind drunk?

I love my drink...Jim Beam. But in the 30 or so years of drinking I can honestly say I have driven drunk maybe twice. Scared the crap out of me. Never worth it. I either have a friend drive me home...taken a cab more than a few times...or I crash where I drank. When I go to bars I am about shooting pool and not drinking. Never had a DUI nor do I plan to. I am too cheap to spend the $5K or so a lot of my friends have spent on taking care of it.

/just sayin'

cksewell: Great Janitor: I used to install breathalyzers into the cars of those who were stopped for DUI.

So I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

So...is it possible (my daughter's friend claims he does this...auch, the asshole) to rig the thing so he can suck through the other end, somehow, to fool the thing into starting his car? I'd like to prove the little prick wrong when he brags on "beating the system" and driving drunk. Gawd, he makes me sick.

I had to think about that for a moment. Really, I don't believe that it's possible, especially the ones that the company I worked for used. I seriously doubt it given that the hole you're supposed to blow into is bigger than the exit hole and if the air pressure wasn't constant and strong enough it would never pass, just abort. The ones that I installed required the user to hum halfway through the blow. I think the total time was 15 seconds, and about 7 seconds in you have to add a hum into the blow, but not stop the blow. There is no way a person and suck and hum at the same time.

While I worked there I only caught two assholes who successfully bypassed their system. The system records when you started your car, when you turned it off, every time it asked for a test and the result of that test. One guy failed 80 tests and was still driving his car (it should have locked him out at 5). He said that his unit wasn't working. Upon inspection I found that he had a jumper that allowed his car to start, bypassing the unit. This guy was under 21, complete douche, who explained to me that he had to do it because the unit wasn't working properly. The unit was working. He had to pay close to $300 before we'd unlock his car (he missed his last appointment, the fine for bypassing his unit, the fee for failing 5 tests, and I still scheduled him to come in the following week for a monthly calibration). I didn't see him the following week, saw his father. The company faxed my report to his parole officer who instantly revoked his parole (successful completion of the breathalyzer program was a requirement on just about every court document that I photocopied). His father was pissed at me for turning in his son. I told his father that had I not said anything I would have been fired, and given the choice of getting fired for breaking the law or sending your son to jail for breaking the law, I turned in your son. His attitude towards me made it a VERY easy choice.

cksewell: So...is it possible (my daughter's friend claims he does this...auch, the asshole) to rig the thing so he can suck through the other end, somehow, to fool the thing into starting his car? I'd like to prove the little prick wrong when he brags on "beating the system" and driving drunk. Gawd, he makes me sick.

Unless he has a really old machine, no because the incoming air wouldn't have sufficient moisture/heat to register as a live person. Otherwise, he could just use a bag as a bellows.

Plus, newer ones require you to alternate between exhaling and inhaling.

A much more likely way is to hyperventilate. Since it assumes alcohol exits your blood at a certain rate as it passes through your lungs, quickly exchanging the air by hyperventilating beforehand can alter the perceived value by a few percent. Doesn't work with cops, of course, they'll just smack you for trying.

Or, if you play didgeridoo, use circular breathing on the outbreath. That knocks it way down, as long as you haven't drank recently, and might even get past the cops if they are in-attentive.

Why the hell didn't he just take a cab?

Bonus: cab fare

This crap tans my hide. About 2 years ago, I woke up, ready to go to work when I walk outside and my car had been plowed into. The cops left a note(since my car got hit around 5am) telling me to call them and get the accident report.

A couple of days later I am visiting my grandmother and tell her about the accident and who hit my car. Well, turns out this guy leaves on the same floor as her and is known as a drunk and it wasn't his first wreck while drunk.

Sorry

Cab fare is less than a car rental.

SilentStrider: What does it take to keep asshats like this off the road? Amputation of their legs and arms?

Well, he did break both his legs and his pelvis. It's a start.

I was going to mention how incredibly hard headed some booze hounds are, but I see folks in the thread have already came up with solutions.

"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that meddling stationary pole."

Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: But there is only one moment where you choose "voluntary intoxication" for yourself. The moment when you say, "Eh, fark it, give me another shot of Jager so that I can bang this latina waitress." The rest of the time you're completely drunk, and unable to make conscious decisions for yourself. If women can successfully prosecute men for rape when the women themselves were drunk, then the same should apply in all cases.

Either we're all accountable for our actions while drunk, or none of us are.

Duh, cause women are weak and stupid. They are easily coerced even when sober. Come on, everybody knows that. Now, let me explain alimony...

Seriously, ask a friend for a lift, or call a damn cab. Not hard.

When I was in college, my parents had a simple rule- if I got plastered, they didn't care. Don't drive, call for a lift, and they would pick me up. No questions asked, just call so I wouldn't be driving drunk.

I never needed to use it, but how freaking hard would it be to set that up with a friend? "Dude, do me a favor. If I give you a call, give me a lift- I'll slip you a ten for the trouble."

He needs to get his license pulled permanently for this.


But the judge will probably go easy on him. After all he's Only a Lad.

Drunks are dumbasses, because they have co-dependent bed partners who help the drunks break the law. Old man has breathlyzer issues? no problem, just take the old lady's car. Or the drinking buddy's. or the dealer's.

Stopping drunk driving has to be a family and community affair.

It's worse than you know. My neighbor is 50 going on 21. When I moved in 3 years ago, he had a beer in his hand. Never see him without one. Not sure why I'm still here.

I have had to go out, WAY TOO MANY TIMES, at 7 AM Sunday morning to tell him to shut the fark up. Truck running, just for fun, lawn chairs and beers a-rolling. No joke. This guy buys a new car every few months. There is no way that some silly little breathalizer device is going to stop him.

Have called the police and they never do anything with the drunk driving going on in my neighborhood because of this guy and his friends. (I don't consider myself an asshat, I do drink, but this guy is unbelievable, beyond lunacy)

If you're reading this, farking grow up! You asshat.

If he has to have a breathalyzer installed in his car, then it most likely means it's his 2nd or more offense.. they don't do that for first offenders for the most part.

So that brings a lot of question marks.. i don't blame him for wanting to get around the installed ignition breathalyzer - if there was ever a completely bullshiat piece of technology geared toward screwing people over, it's the ignition breathalyzer. they are as acurate as a random number generator, and failing means spending craploads of $$$ to some "city authorized entity owned by a relative of the mayor" to install and reset said device.

But you'd think the big red letters saying "conditional license" would tip off the car rental place to not give this dumbarse a car.

baxterdog: It's worse than you know. My neighbor is 50 going on 21. When I moved in 3 years ago, he had a beer in his hand. Never see him without one. Not sure why I'm still here.

I have had to go out, WAY TOO MANY TIMES, at 7 AM Sunday morning to tell him to shut the fark up. Truck running, just for fun, lawn chairs and beers a-rolling. No joke. This guy buys a new car every few months. There is no way that some silly little breathalizer device is going to stop him.

Have called the police and they never do anything with the drunk driving going on in my neighborhood because of this guy and his friends. (I don't consider myself an asshat, I do drink, but this guy is unbelievable, beyond lunacy)

If you're reading this, farking grow up! You asshat.

You're never an asshat for calling the cops about clearly shiatfaced people driving. NEXT time you have to call the cops, tell them you've been documenting all of his flagrant abuses and the fact that they never show up to deal with him on film, and if something isn't done the local news is going to have a nice story for tomorrow.

PoopStain: See, we need stronger DUI laws for people like this asshat. We should be letting people who blow a 0.08 off with a ticket and some mandatory classes.

I thought the same for a long time, until I did some work with the Police department which involved confiscating vehicles used in DUI's.

Different people react vastly differently to alcohol, it's really amazing. I've read police reports where people were busted with REALLY high BAC's, and the only thing that got them caught was a routine stop for failing to signal, slight swerving, etc... Yet I've read police reports of people with BAC's barely above .08 that involved "slurred speech, agressive behavior, inability to stand steady," etc. etc.

Some people can handle their liquor and drive fine even after more than a few beers, yet other people completely lose their sh*t while hardly breaking the limit.

Now, I don't know what to think about these DUI laws. It's a no-win situation, really.

Super_pope: baxterdog: It's worse than you know. My neighbor is 50 going on 21. When I moved in 3 years ago, he had a beer in his hand. Never see him without one. Not sure why I'm still here.

I have had to go out, WAY TOO MANY TIMES, at 7 AM Sunday morning to tell him to shut the fark up. Truck running, just for fun, lawn chairs and beers a-rolling. No joke. This guy buys a new car every few months. There is no way that some silly little breathalizer device is going to stop him.

Have called the police and they never do anything with the drunk driving going on in my neighborhood because of this guy and his friends. (I don't consider myself an asshat, I do drink, but this guy is unbelievable, beyond lunacy)

If you're reading this, farking grow up! You asshat.

You're never an asshat for calling the cops about clearly shiatfaced people driving. NEXT time you have to call the cops, tell them you've been documenting all of his flagrant abuses and the fact that they never show up to deal with him on film, and if something isn't done the local news is going to have a nice story for tomorrow.

Good idea. Record everything, and present Channel 4 News with Ric Romero a nice expose' for their 6 o'clock news.

Sweet idea super_pope. I've been thinking of building a mini-atx box to stick in the attic. Maybe I'll stick some cams in the back of the yard to get really good shots of his driveway. Haven't done it yet because I really didn't want to become THAT person.

But after this last weekend, with him firing up all the vehicles, to move 'em around for no reason, and driving off to the 7-11 for the third or fourth time, I think it may be time. Maybe It'll save some kids life.

Proud2B_American: An exploding collar (like in Wedlock) that explodes if the perp tries to drink and drive. (it explodes before they even turn the key)



Wanted for questioning.

El Morro: Yet I've read police reports of people with BAC's barely above .08 that involved "slurred speech, agressive behavior, inability to stand steady," etc. etc.

And they've also busted a number of cops for having boiler plate reports.

IE they'd put down 'smelled alcohol on his(her) breath', and all the other indicators down regardless of whatever happened. They've gotten caught before in stings and the occasional person with a true 0.00 BAC.

They've even tried a few times with my grandfather - he's got spinal damage such that his hands shake and can't walk steady normally. By the same token he can't blow well, so they end up taking him to the hospital - where he greets all the staff by name.

Some people can handle their liquor and drive fine even after more than a few beers, yet other people completely lose their sh*t while hardly breaking the limit.

Still, statistics show that something like 90% of fatal DUI accidents has the driver over double the legal limit. Sorry, no source at the moment. Increases in fatality and injury accidents are statistically insignificant below the old .01 standard.

That said, most fatality DUIs are for repeat, even serial, offenders. Personally, I like the German method - 1 DUI you've lost your license for pretty much life, and if you get caught driving without a license it's prison time.