Of course, one technicality that might throw a wrench in the works is that pesky Federal Law that prohibits the posession, use, sale, or distribution of marijuana.

Oh well, nice try guys.

I love weed threads

WEED!

//thread over

This could be the start of something BIG!

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Of course, one technicality that might throw a wrench in the works is that pesky Federal Law that prohibits the posession, use, sale, or distribution of marijuana.

Oh well, nice try guys.

Might be interesting to put that legislation to a constitutional test and see what we get. As far as I know, it's never been done.

Relatively wealthy groups that were in the minority managed to push through Proposition 8 in California, which now has an awful lot of people up in arms.

Just imagine if some real money groups, as in drug cartels and the federal government, were faced by state legislation legalizing their cash cow. It would not be pretty.

But it would be fun to watch ;)

Please PLEASE let this work out!!

Currently I'm a drinker.

I'd much rather smoke pot, but don't like the whole "it's illegal" thing.

Will not matter as it is still a scheduled substance by the DEA so the feds will swoop in and arrest large producers.

It would be so weird to be able to go out on street in California and buy weed whenever you feel like it.

Funyons or cheetos would have been funnier.

Doritos to open a new packaging and distribution plant in California

Funyons

weaver95: Might be interesting to put that legislation to a constitutional test and see what we get. As far as I know, it's never been done.
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Our supreme court would probably not hear it and even if they did, they'd uphold it.

Wasn't this greenlit a few days ago? Or is this a new article.

Also seems like we hear about this every year for the last decade.

That article is off, almost all the clubs charge sales tax now to make sure the state stays off their backs, the grower is not being taxed but the club weed is mostly sold at $XX + tax.

PainInTheASP - Potheads destroy the fabric of society

If that fabric was made from sturdy, natural hemp, it wouldn't be so much of a problem.

Did you know marijuana makes you crazy, kill people, and take part in wild orgies without protection? That's right, smoking marijuana is basically like putting STDs in your mouth.

I'm going to Cali....

It is about time. You would think we would have learned some lessons from prohibition.

piaddic120: I'm going to Cali....

With an achinnngggg in your heeaaaaaarrrrrrrrrttt.

Obama's Left Nut: Will not matter as it is still a scheduled substance by the DEA so the feds will swoop in and arrest large producers.

Maybe, hasn't Obama already ordered the Justice Dept. to stop raiding medical marijuana distributors, though?

Btw, the Constitution clearly states that the Federal government does not have the authority to legislate on issues not defined within it. Nowhere is the Fed granted authority to legislate drug use. The Fed did an end run around the Constitution by claiming that since some drugs are sold across state lines then all drugs can be regulated as interstate commerce.

/I'd love to see this tested in court.
//Just not this Supreme Court.

jake3988: weaver95: Might be interesting to put that legislation to a constitutional test and see what we get. As far as I know, it's never been done.
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Our supreme court would probably not hear it and even if they did, they'd uphold it.

Again, I wouldn't be so sure about that. There have always been questions about why and how drugs get added to or removed from schedule I. There are several indications that cannabis shouldn't be considered schedule I anymore (it DOES have a number of valid medical uses and isn't toxic) but the DEA vehemently opposes removing ANY drug from that list once it's added. The legal procedure for adding/removing drugs from various classifications is murky at best.

I knew all along it was a conspiracy by the potheads to destroy the California economy so this would happen.

getting high is stupid, be above the influence...

/now where the fark is my one hitter

FitzShivering: piaddic120: I'm going to Cali....

With an achinnngggg in your heeaaaaaarrrrrrrrrttt.

Came for the Led Zepplin reference, left happy.

Weaver95: Might be interesting to put that legislation to a constitutional test and see what we get. As far as I know, it's never been done.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ashcroft/Gonzales v. Raich and Wickard v. Filburn overturned, but that would be quite a dramatic reversal.

FitzShivering: Did you know marijuana makes you crazy, kill people, and take part in wild orgies without protection? That's right, smoking marijuana is basically like putting STDs in your mouth.

This made so many different, horrible pictures pop into my head at once... Thanks a lot.

Hmm. Not harmful, not classified as a narcotic, doctors would prescribe it if they could, and the only reason that Fark Independents can give for it remaining illegal is... that it's illegal.

Salvia is still legal in most states.

Korovyov: Weaver95: Might be interesting to put that legislation to a constitutional test and see what we get. As far as I know, it's never been done.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ashcroft/Gonzales v. Raich and Wickard v. Filburn overturned, but that would be quite a dramatic reversal.

I think the DEA would just ignore any SCOTUS decision that they didn't like.

Weed made me give up my black cherry to a black man

/sob

Obama's Left Nut: Will not matter as it is still a scheduled substance by the DEA so the feds will swoop in and arrest large producers.

Obama has said he plans to stop the DEA from prosecuting legal medical marijuana production. It's not a stretch to extend that to all legal marijuana. Even if he doesn't, California isn't going to play nice when serious tax money is on the line. Let's see if the brave men and women of DEA/Blackwater can stand up to LAPD SWAT.

Lumpmoose: Obama's Left Nut: Will not matter as it is still a scheduled substance by the DEA so the feds will swoop in and arrest large producers.

Obama has said he plans to stop the DEA from prosecuting legal medical marijuana production. It's not a stretch to extend that to all legal marijuana. Even if he doesn't, California isn't going to play nice when serious tax money is on the line. Let's see if the brave men and women of DEA/Blackwater can stand up to LAPD SWAT.

like I said before - I think the DEA would ignore Obama's instructions and any SCOTUS ruling(s) that they didn't like. They are THAT fanatical about their 'zero tolerance' policies.

Klivian: Wasn't this greenlit a few days ago? Or is this a new article.

Also seems like we hear about this every year for the last decade.

this article was greenlit a few days back..... but you can't blame the potheads for forgetting a little thing like that. :)

Chomsky on legalization of pot.

NOAM CHOMSKY: Nobody knows what the effect would be. Anyone who tells you they know is just stupid or lying, because nobody knows. These are things that have to be tried, you have to experiment to see what the effects are. Most soft drugs are already legal, mainly alcohol and tobacco. Tobacco is by far the biggest killer among all the psychoactives. Alcohol deaths are a little hard to estimate, because an awful lot of violent deaths are associated with alcohol. Way down below come "hard" drugs, a tiny fraction of the deaths from alcohol or tobacco, maybe ten or twenty thousand deaths per year. The fastest-growing hard drugs are the APS, amphetamine-type substances, produced mostly in the U.S.

As far as the rest of the drugs are concerned, marijuana is not known to be very harmful. I mean, it's generally assumed it's not good for you, but coffee isn't good for you, tea isn't good for you, chocolate cake isn't good for you either. It would be crazy to criminalize coffee, even though it's harmful. The United States is one of very few countries where this is considered a moral issue. In most countries you don't have politicians getting up screaming about how tough they're going to be on drugs. So the first thing we've got to do is move it out of the phase of population control, and into the sphere of social issues. The Rand Corporation estimates that if you compare the effect of criminal programs versus educational programs at reducing drug use, educational programs are way ahead, by about a factor of seven.

the ATF is the OTHER 'rogue' US government agency voted most likely to ignore Obama's instructions.

notq: Chomsky on legalization of pot.

NOAM CHOMSKY: Nobody knows what the effect would be. Anyone who tells you they know is just stupid or lying, because nobody knows. These are things that have to be tried, you have to experiment to see what the effects are. Most soft drugs are already legal, mainly alcohol and tobacco. Tobacco is by far the biggest killer among all the psychoactives. Alcohol deaths are a little hard to estimate, because an awful lot of violent deaths are associated with alcohol. Way down below come "hard" drugs, a tiny fraction of the deaths from alcohol or tobacco, maybe ten or twenty thousand deaths per year. The fastest-growing hard drugs are the APS, amphetamine-type substances, produced mostly in the U.S.

As far as the rest of the drugs are concerned, marijuana is not known to be very harmful. I mean, it's generally assumed it's not good for you, but coffee isn't good for you, tea isn't good for you, chocolate cake isn't good for you either. It would be crazy to criminalize coffee, even though it's harmful. The United States is one of very few countries where this is considered a moral issue. In most countries you don't have politicians getting up screaming about how tough they're going to be on drugs. So the first thing we've got to do is move it out of the phase of population control, and into the sphere of social issues. The Rand Corporation estimates that if you compare the effect of criminal programs versus educational programs at reducing drug use, educational programs are way ahead, by about a factor of seven.

which just goes to show that even when Noam is right, he's still a f*cking moron about it.

Klivian: Wasn't this greenlit a few days ago? Or is this a new article.

Also seems like we hear about this every year for the last decade.

I'm almost certain this is the same article. Someone is slipping.

DaShredda: Salvia is still legal in most states.

Salvia? You've got to be kidding me. Give me $5 and I'll kick you in the head. Same high, save money.

Umokay: Funyons

Pink popcorn

Klivian: Wasn't this greenlit a few days ago? Or is this a new article.

Also seems like we hear about this every year for the last decade.

It's time. It's happening. If we can put a black man in the white house, we can smoke weed, legally.

It's right there in our cosmic rights. Man. Pass that bong, will you?

Love how the first line credits Michael Phelps with bringing the topic to the forefront of american minds...

Hey! Noam Chomsky revolutionized the field of... linguistics... fifty years ago... so we should definitely listen to him as a political pundit.

/I mean, still, though, the man was a genius

Weaver95: Lumpmoose: Obama's Left Nut: Will not matter as it is still a scheduled substance by the DEA so the feds will swoop in and arrest large producers.

Obama has said he plans to stop the DEA from prosecuting legal medical marijuana production. It's not a stretch to extend that to all legal marijuana. Even if he doesn't, California isn't going to play nice when serious tax money is on the line. Let's see if the brave men and women of DEA/Blackwater can stand up to LAPD SWAT.

like I said before - I think the DEA would ignore Obama's instructions and any SCOTUS ruling(s) that they didn't like. They are THAT fanatical about their 'zero tolerance' policies.

IIRC, the last article on California legalizing marijuana said the DEA did not notify the LAPD in advance of a raid, for the first time. The fed/state relationship is already straining. It'll only take one serious stand-off between the DEA and a local California police department to push states' rights to the national debate.

If this happens I'll start work on a personalized strain immediately, and sell it in a new Amsterdam style coffee-shop.

This would be a major blow to major drug cartels as there would be so many farmers go into business overnight.

If it happens it won't be a moment too soon, it's been an incredible waste of time and money to enforce such a stupid law.

shower_in_my_socks: and the only reason that Fark Independents can give for it remaining illegal is...

What? Why would indies want it illegal?

I think your definition of "Fark Independent" is off.

FitzShivering: Did you know marijuana makes you crazy, kill people, and take part in wild orgies without protection? That's right, smoking marijuana is basically like putting STDs in your mouth.

It also makes you play the piano like a psycho.

/too obscure?

I think they should make an advertisement campaign on the reason marijuana was made illegal.

IIRC

a) an excuse to run mexican laborers out of the country when the troops came back after WWII

b) a way to make Harlem culture into a bad thing.

c) because some kid killed his parents and it was blamed on that, even though he was not on it.

I steadfastly maintain that the federal marijuana question can be solved with a joint session of Congress.