As opposed to all the other voluminous legislation they - all of them, not just Democrats - read, digest, and thoughtfully discuss before voting? Still, it is a bit of a mockery.

PoopStain: Any of you Obama fellators want to explain to me how you expect this stimulus bill to help since none of you have seen it, either?

Just to summarize... not seeing it can only logically lead to the conclusion that it can't help ?

Too bad everyone isn't smart like you or we wouldn't even be having this problem right now.

Deeply heartfelt and expert opinions/positions formed on the spot.
Why tribble yourself with actually reading the biggest waste of dollars in history?
Really, why?

Imagination is so much easier to sell.

Nabb1: As opposed to all the other voluminous legislation they - all of them, not just Democrats - read, digest, and thoughtfully discuss before voting? Still, it is a bit of a mockery.

This. A sham and a mockery. A shamockery!!!

pfft, listen to Geithner's announcement of the banking assistance earlier this week. The wunderkind couldn't even give a convincing explanation of his own proposals. Let Congress read the whole bill, but I doubt most of them grasp the details.

I_C_Weener: Nabb1: As opposed to all the other voluminous legislation they - all of them, not just Democrats - read, digest, and thoughtfully discuss before voting? Still, it is a bit of a mockery.

This. A sham and a mockery. A shamockery!!!

You forgot travesty. It's a traveshamockery of our Democracy.

WELCOME TO OUR TRAVESHAMOCKRACY!

Nobody will read it, they'll all vote in favor of it and then spend the next 4 years saying that they were forced to vote for it against their will.

hmm....could this be the democrat version of the patriot act? Nobody read that one either.

Weaver95: Nobody will read it, they'll all vote in favor of it and then spend the next 4 years saying that they were forced to vote for it against their will.

hmm....could this be the democrat version of the patriot act? Nobody read that one either.

Nobody read that one TWICE. You know who else used an "emergency" to trample people's rights? Well, yeah, him, but do you know who else...

Nabb1: WELCOME TO OUR TRAVESHAMOCKRACY!

We have no shame anymore.

I think this could all be solved be replacing Congress with trained monkeys who press Aye or Nay buttons...but only after debating each bill civilly. By civilly I mean, on Pay Per View...and with monkey swords and monkey crossbows. Democrats could be chimpanzees and Republicans could be orangutans.

Inflammatory headline + "Change you can believe in" = greenlight.

Nice formula we've got going here.

PoopStain: Any of you Obama fellators want to explain to me how you expect this stimulus bill to help since none of you have seen it, either? By the way, I am obsessed with Obama's dick, if you couldn't tell.

Here's the bill. Go read it and get back to us.

From what I've heard on the news that's in the bill, there are things that can help the economy. 6 billion for infrastructure. There's a high-speed rail line project from Nevada to California (Vegas to L.A., I believe). There's money for improvements to schools, there's money for the Pentagon (added by the Republicans, of course).

So we'll just have to wait and see what it does for us.

Weaver95: Nobody will read it, they'll all vote in favor of it and then spend the next 4 years saying that they were forced to vote for it against their will.

hmm....could this be the democrat version of the patriot act? Nobody read that one either.

I think you'd enjoy Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine.

Hey guys, you did notice this quote, right:

The final bill, crafted by a House-Senate conference committee, was posted on the Website of the House Appropriations Committe late Thurday in two PDF files.

The bill is up and posted. It's 1,071 pages long. I could read that in a solid nine hours. If I took some people I trusted, broke it down into sections, and had them summarize each, it'd be even faster.

Do congresspeople just have no time management skills, no prioritization skills, or what?

Oh, and headline is dumb.

Is "change you can believe in" the new "mission accomplished"? Seems a prereq for fascist green-lights these days.

I thought it was an obama thing to allow a few days for the public before he signed the legislation. I had no idea it was a congress thing. Also, I had no idea that Congress' phrase was "Change you can believe in".

Lando Lincoln: So we'll just have to wait and see what it does for us.

which would be somewhat logical, so expect it to be rejected by a guy so clever he named himself after his laundry problem.

A year from now though, the big argument here if things have improved will be what exactly caused it to happen. Since there can't be any hard proof of such a thing it will be an unresolved fight.

Weaver95: Nobody will read it, they'll all vote in favor of it and then spend the next 4 years saying that they were forced to vote for it against their will.

hmm....could this be the democrat version of the patriot act? Nobody read that one either.

I farking hate that virtually no senator ever reads any part of a bill that they themselves didn't write.

There should be something in the constitution REQUIRING any voting member of the house or senate to be able to pass a spot quiz about what's in the bill.

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Mordant: A year from now though, the big argument here if things have improved will be what exactly caused it to happen. Since there can't be any hard proof of such a thing it will be an unresolved fight.

WWII

PoopStain: Mordant: Just to summarize... not seeing it can only logically lead to the conclusion that it can't help ?

It can lead to a conclusion that it can, now can it?

How farking retarded are you?

Ok f*ckstain... how about I spell it out in CAPS

IF YOU DON"T F*CKING KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT THEN YOU CAN"T LOGICALLY DRAW ANY CONCLUSION !!!!

Hello !! Is that f*cking clear enough for you ?

Lando Lincoln: 6 billion for infrastructure.

How nice.... where's the other 984 billion?

surprise, surprise, surprise.....

bulldg4life: I thought it was an obama thing to allow a few days for the public before he signed the legislation. I had no idea it was a congress thing. Also, I had no idea that Congress' phrase was "Change you can believe in".

They passed a resolution 2 days ago saying they'd give 48 hours to review it online. Obama said he'd give 5 days to review passed legislation before he signed it.

But, there is a time to think and a time to act. And this is not time to think. Obama already said the stimulus package had to be ready to sign by February 16. He said that 10 days ago. Why do you think he picked Monday, February 16 as his arbitrary deadline to get it signed be him? Anyone?

bulldg4life: I thought it was an obama thing to allow a few days for the public before he signed the legislation. I had no idea it was a congress thing.

It's not. Subby, cockpunch, etc.

PoopStain: Great farking job, Democrats. I myself love throwing money out my car window to help the economy.

Any of you Obama fellators want to explain to me how you expect this stimulus bill to help since none of you have seen it, either?

Oh, that's right, you're in imaginationland. Keep imagining it's going to get better, chopemonkeys, that will make it so.

/retards.

You (and your fellow Bush-Republican-Fark Independent™ fellators) seem to have concluded definitively that this bill won't help at all without having read it.

PoopStain: So we're building a high speed rail line in the middle of a desert to help the economy. Genius.

Building a high-speed rail line between two cities in the middle of the desert that just happen to both be economic powerhouses, you mean.

real shaman: How nice.... where's the other 984 billion?

surprise, surprise, surprise.....

Considering that the bill is 790 billion, I cannot answer your question in a meaningful way.

Lando Lincoln: There's a high-speed rail line project from Nevada to California (Vegas to L.A., I believe).

SWEEET.

They've been talking about building that as far back as I can remember. All Oscar Goodman can seem to do is whine about Obama dissing Las Vegas, though. A high speed train from LA will do more for this city than anything else right now. If SoCal people can come here Friday night, get drunk and gamble their money away all weekend, and then hop on the train in a stupor and be home by late Sunday night, they'll be coming here in droves.

DrRatchet: bulldg4life: I thought it was an obama thing to allow a few days for the public before he signed the legislation. I had no idea it was a congress thing.

It's not. Subby, cockpunch, etc.

I totally agree that we should focus on how inaccurate the headline is and hurts our President's feelings and ignore the fact that Congress is going to spend $780 billion dollars of our money without even thumbing through it as much as they would the Sky Mall catalog during a flight.

bison0329: Mission Accomplished. Change you can believe in. Mission Accomplished. Change you can believe in

B-b-b-but Clinton Bush.

/I will update it in four years.

propasaurus: PoopStain: Great farking job, Democrats. I myself love throwing money out my car window to help the economy.

Any of you Obama fellators want to explain to me how you expect this stimulus bill to help since none of you have seen it, either?

Oh, that's right, you're in imaginationland. Keep imagining it's going to get better, chopemonkeys, that will make it so.

/retards.

You (and your fellow Bush-Republican-Fark Independent™ fellators) seem to have concluded definitively that this bill won't help at all without having read it.

That was my observation, but apparently it's ok for him to draw his conclusions without evidence because he's so brilliant.

Having worked on the Hill, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Actually, you'd be surprised at how often the Congresscritter doesn't even know they cast a vote until much later. Ever wonder about those "National Pork Products Abuse Day" bills? They're not voted on the floor (normally). They're a vote circulated by lobbyists and the vote is cast when a staffer signs the rep's name to the bill.

PoopStain: So we're building a high speed rail line in the middle of a desert to help the economy. Genius.

It might have something to do with the fact that it's a freaking desert with hardly anyone living between LA and Vegas, which would make it a lot easier to build than a line between heavily-populated areas.

And just because it's in the middle of a desert doesn't mean it's not going to help the economy, genius. We still have to hire workers to work on the thing. We're not going to hire iguanas and cacti to do the job.

PoopStain: Mordant: IF YOU DON"T F*CKING KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT THEN YOU CAN"T LOGICALLY DRAW ANY CONCLUSION !!!!

So you can't say it will help, now can you?

Hello !! Is that f*cking clear enough for you ?

I guess so. Is Obama's cock out of your mouth, yet? Because you've been pushing this bill you can't make any conclusions about for the past two weeks.

And yet, Rush's cock in your mouth seems to have empowered you to reach conclusions about something you haven't read.

Obdicut: Hey guys, you did notice this quote, right:

The final bill, crafted by a House-Senate conference committee, was posted on the Website of the House Appropriations Committe late Thurday in two PDF files.

The bill is up and posted. It's 1,071 pages long. I could read that in a solid nine hours. If I took some people I trusted, broke it down into sections, and had them summarize each, it'd be even faster..

Agreed. Not sure why this is such a big deal... Get some aids/pages together, divvy it up amongst them, have them write up an outline for the Senator/Rep to read... but I suppose all those witty and original submitters wouldn't get to use the "Change you can believe in" line.

PoopStain: Vegas is losing money hand over fist and California state employees (and citizens) aren't getting their tax returns on time.

That is a complete non sequitur. The Vegas bit is of dubious accuracy. What the hell?

Even if we accept that Vegas is losing money hand over fist, you don't think that giving people a faster, easier way to get to Vegas might, you know, help with that? Maybe, um, 'stimulate' the economy there, to coin a phrase?

You need to go back and re-learn your civics lessons. The President isn't in charge of Congress, that would be the Vice President.

You could leave this bill up for a week, and people won't read it cause ultimately it doesn't matter. Reid and Pelosi hammered out a compromise, and the Dems will vote for it in droves because their party leaders tell them to. End of story.

keylock71: Agreed. Not sure why this is such a big deal... Get some aids/pages together, divvy it up amongst them, have them write up an outline for the Senator/Rep to read... but I suppose all those witty and original submitters wouldn't get to use the "Change you can believe in" line.

The sad part is I totally don't believe Congress is actually going to do that. Most of them probably will vote as their told by whoever they consider to be the person who tells them how to vote.

I don't, however, think that if they had five months to read it, they'd read it, either.

Lando Lincoln: We still have to hire workers to work on the thing. We're not going to hire iguanas and cacti to do the job.

That's because the iguanas and cacti refuse to join any unions and California is totally owned by big labor.

Nabb1: I_C_Weener: Nabb1: As opposed to all the other voluminous legislation they - all of them, not just Democrats - read, digest, and thoughtfully discuss before voting? Still, it is a bit of a mockery.

This. A sham and a mockery. A shamockery!!!

You forgot travesty. It's a traveshamockery of our Democracy.

WELCOME TO OUR TRAVESHAMOCKRACY!

If only we were actually a Democracy..:) That's where all fantasies spawn.

PoopStain: propasaurus: You (and your fellow Bush-Republican-Fark Independent™ fellators) seem to have concluded definitively that this bill won't help at all without having read it.

You've concluded it will help without reading it.

Way to be, chopemonkey.

Obdicut: Building a high-speed rail line between two cities in the middle of the desert that just happen to both be economic powerhouses, you mean.

Vegas is losing money hand over fist and California state employees (and citizens) aren't getting their tax returns on time.

Let's encourage more people to live in both places, it sounds like they have it all figured out.

You've concluded it won't help without having read it. And you're so supremely retarded that you can't see the hypocrisy in your position when it's pointed out repeatedly.

I don't expect every lawmaker to read a 1,000-page-plus bill.

I DO expect them to read and understand summaries and analysis done by the people who actually wrote the bill.

When some of these bills take ten pages to formally define "roadway" it does make it hard to get what is actually the point of the legislation, and that's why there are so many high-paid staffers to help.

Obdicut: The sad part is I totally don't believe Congress is actually going to do that. Most of them probably will vote as their told by whoever they consider to be the person who tells them how to vote.

I don't, however, think that if they had five months to read it, they'd read it, either.

They'd have staffers skim it to confirm whatever project they wanted directed to their district is in it. Then, after that, they'd vote as party leadership told them to, with a few exceptions.

KaponoFor3: You could leave this bill up for a week, and people won't read it cause ultimately it doesn't matter. Reid and Pelosi hammered out a compromise, and the Dems will vote for it in droves because their party leaders tell them to. End of story.

And the Republicans can vote against it without reading it as well. If the plan works, the Republicans are royally farked anyway. If it fails, then they can say they voted against it. They really have nothing to lose at this point.

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Lando Lincoln: And the Republicans can vote against it without reading it as well.

Yep. This is all a dog and pony show, this bill is going to pass despite only 37% of the public wanting it to. But that's a republic for you.

Nabb1: That's because the iguanas and cacti refuse to join any unions and California is totally owned by big labor.

What percentage of California workers are in a union?

Lando Lincoln: And just because it's in the middle of a desert doesn't mean it's not going to help the economy, genius. We still have to hire workers to work on the thing. We're not going to hire iguanas and cacti to do the job.

OK that made me laugh.

PoopStain: Mordant: IF YOU DON"T F*CKING KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT THEN YOU CAN"T LOGICALLY DRAW ANY CONCLUSION !!!!

So you can't say it will help, now can you?

Hello !! Is that f*cking clear enough for you ?

I guess so. Is Obama's cock out of your mouth, yet? Because you've been pushing this bill you can't make any conclusions about for the past two weeks.

Oh yeah. I keep forgetting that I submit 20 links a day praising the bill.

Actually, it'd be idiotic to praise it even if all the details were written on my bathroom mirror to see every morning. The results of whatever is done will still be in question for quite a while.

What I don't like is assholes like you who constantly assure us that it's either already failed or can only possibly fail.

That's all I say and will continue to say.

PoopStain: propasaurus: You (and your fellow Bush-Republican-Fark Independent™ fellators) seem to have concluded definitively that this bill won't help at all without having read it.

You've concluded it will help without reading it.

Way to be, chopemonkey.


I'm sorry, I can't find where propasaurus said it would help.

KaponoFor3: Yep. This is all a dog and pony show, this bill is going to pass despite only 37% of the public wanting it to. But that's a republic for you.

I'm sorry, I've seen Gallup poll support that shows the opposite-- I'm sure we all have. Can you cite your source for this number?