... wow

Some folks have got some pretty thin skin, apparently...

/loves NPR

There are still Fox viewers who can write a letter to complain, instead of just throwing a rock at the screen to make the bad people go away?

BunkoSquad: There are still Fox viewers who can write a letter to complain, instead of just throwing a rock at the screen to make the bad people go away?

These are NPR listeners who are angry about a conservative NPR journalist going on FOX. So, bad on thin-skinned NPR folks on this one. I love NPR. You can tell they, as a network, vote Democrat overall, but they do an awfully good job of being as unbiased as possible.

Oh my god NPR, submitter? Really?

You might as well have linked to NewsBusters.

/kidding, love NPR.

keylock71: Some folks have got some pretty thin skin, apparently...

/loves NPR

Well that's the thing though, if he's an independent contractor, why should Fox be telling everyone he's NPR's guy? Especially considering he worked for them first.

Huh. That article was not at all what I expected. Apparently the mail was generated because some viewers perceived he had disparaged Michelle Obama.

/Like NPR, but Robert Reich is still a Marxist midget.

Senescent Dawn: BunkoSquad: There are still Fox viewers who can write a letter to complain, instead of just throwing a rock at the screen to make the bad people go away?

These are NPR listeners who are angry about a conservative NPR journalist going on FOX. So, bad on thin-skinned NPR folks on this one. I love NPR. You can tell they, as a network, vote Democrat overall, but they do an awfully good job of being as unbiased as possible.

It's hard to say whether NPR is biased toward the liberal side. They may be a little bit, but yeah they do work hard to keep it pretty level. Perhaps their listener base tends to be more liberal simply because they don't have shows where people sit around and holler their heads off for an hour. I find that refreshing and almost unique in the 24hr news biz, myself.

Senescent Dawn: These are NPR listeners who are angry about a conservative NPR journalist going on FOX.

Yes, perhaps I should have read the article first. Note to self.

make me some tea: keylock71: Some folks have got some pretty thin skin, apparently...

/loves NPR

Well that's the thing though, if he's an independent contractor, why should Fox be telling everyone he's NPR's guy? Especially considering he worked for them first.

I don't think that's what the complaints were in regard to, though... but, yeah, that's the kind of straight-shooting I've come to expect from the folks at Fox News.

Juan Williams is a favorite of mine and it is so sad that NPRians have to rag on him so when he is trying to provide a well rounded perspective, which is badly need on Fox.

I like his insights, and I like that he's on NPR. People complain about NPR's liberal bias (but can't really identify it to me, as far as the actual news programs go), so I'm glad there's a voice like his in the mix. I actually find him, overall, a smart guy who is an incredible source of information about the civil rights movement.

On Fox, yes, I have been surprised by his arguments. But how funny is it that he is moderate (and encouraged to be) on NPR, but on Fox he's sort of a take-no-prisoners right winger. Fair and balanced, indeed.

Anyway, I like him, but I think NPR is right in asking Fox to take that off his lower 3rd.

As a result of this latest flap, NPR's Vice President of News, Ellen Weiss, has asked Williams to ask that Fox remove his NPR identification whenever he is on O'Reilly.

Not FOX altogether, just O'Reilly. That's reasonable. I like Williams, he's even OK on that Brit Hume show, but when he's on O'Reilly he's out of his element. Going on O'Reilly is beneath him.

The people who complained about his comments on Michelle Obama were right to do so, the ones who cry about him being on FOX in general need to grow up.

His "Stokely Carmichael" comment got the attention of NPR's top managers. They are in a bind because Williams is no longer a staff employee but an independent contractor. As a contract news analyst, NPR doesn't exercise control over what Williams says outside of NPR.


Umm, so yea. and such.

Ahhh_Ennui: on Fox he's sort of a take-no-prisoners right winger.

I imagine that if he didn't cut up with the rest of them, he probably wouldn't still be working for them. He probably likes the money.

Conservative hate and liberal hate is different sides of the same coin. Both sides are kool-aide drinkers.

randomizetimer: Conservative hate and liberal hate is different sides of the same coin. Both sides are kool-aide drinkers.

Funny. I have you farkied as "Thinks blacks will riot election day. Gross dude."

What flavor kool-aid do you drink?

randomizetimer: Conservative hate and liberal hate is different sides of the same coin. Both sides are kool-aide drinkers.

Hate? You have a pretty liberal definition of that word. Complaining != hate. Nor is it the same as "drinking kool-aide."

Ahhh_Ennui: randomizetimer: Conservative hate and liberal hate is different sides of the same coin. Both sides are kool-aide drinkers.

Funny. I have you farkied as "Thinks blacks will riot election day. Gross dude."

What flavor kool-aid do you drink?

Dude, that was one of my troll post. I love to lob a troll grenade into a popular thread and watch the damage. Don't take me too seriously.

Crazy fruit punch for sure!

NPR is "liberal" in the sense that, to a Limbaugh/O'Reilly listener, anything that doesn't say "no" to gay marriage, abortion rights, and gun control is a "liberal" network. It's "liberal" because they have a show called "Speaking of Faith" that isn't just about Evangelical Christianity.

NPR, for most shows I listen to, just wants to have a discussion about the issues, and they generally give both sides free reign to make their points, and if a point is going to be argued, it is done in a civil tone, not just yelling at them.

But, that isn't "fun" I guess.

randomizetimer: Dude, that was one of my troll post. I love to lob a troll grenade into a popular thread and watch the damage. Don't take me too seriously.

Hey, Gary got an alt.

I'm trying to imagine the demographic that tunes-in to both NPR and Fox.

We can't really be talking about more than 10 or 12 people, can we?

GoodCopBadCop: I'm trying to imagine the demographic that tunes-in to both NPR and Fox.

We can't really be talking about more than 10 or 12 people, can we?

I always have NPR on in my car, and I like to watch Fox for the wharrgarbl that ensues after every Obama event or press conference, just for the lulz. Though, I have to switch Fox off after about 20 minutes, because after that it's not fun anymore.

GoodCopBadCop: I'm trying to imagine the demographic that tunes-in to both NPR and Fox.

We can't really be talking about more than 10 or 12 people, can we?

I actually know quite a few people who watch Fox because they want to see "what the other side is saying".

Honestly, I think that is why conservative shows get a bigger listenership. Moderates/Liberals like to see what everyone is saying, even if they don't agree with it. Conservatives, in general, just want to lap up the talking points and close the book.

GoodCopBadCop: I'm trying to imagine the demographic that tunes-in to both NPR and Fox.

We can't really be talking about more than 10 or 12 people, can we?

A lot times videos like this end up on YouTube, then filter their way through the blogosphere, creating a multiplicative impact. Hell every time a Democrat appears on FoxNews they get about a hundred messages from liberals complaining about them 'feeding the beast'.

who the fark CARES?

no seriously, this is news in what universe?

The problem is people don't understand the difference between oreilly and NPR. NPR has shows about politics, news, and issues. Bill O'Reilly's show is about political marketing. All he ever does is talk about impressions and what is selling- and Juan is correct, to a certain branch of the political market Michelle's comments will appear out of line. But we also need to encourage people to think again, and Michelle is in the perfect position to ask the perfect questions to hang the cheese in front of the wheels in our brain.

namatad: who the fark CARES?

no seriously, this is news in what universe?

It's not news. It's fark.

That sounds familiar.

dletter: GoodCopBadCop: I'm trying to imagine the demographic that tunes-in to both NPR and Fox.

We can't really be talking about more than 10 or 12 people, can we?

I actually know quite a few people who watch Fox because they want to see "what the other side is saying".

Honestly, I think that is why conservative shows get a bigger listenership. Moderates/Liberals like to see what everyone is saying, even if they don't agree with it. Conservatives, in general, just want to lap up the talking points and close the book.

The really avid aficionados of talk radio/Foxnews wouldn't be caught dead poisoning their minds with any other types of media. It's too bad, they might learn something if they were to change the channel every so often.

Fair and balanced.

make me some tea: It's too bad, they might learn something if they were to change the channel every so often.

Learning is how liberals get their America-hating ideas into the heads of good God-fearing people.

sloppy shoes: The problem is people don't understand the difference between oreilly and NPR. NPR has shows about politics, news, and issues. Bill O'Reilly's show is about political marketing. All he ever does is talk about impressions and what is selling- and Juan is correct, to a certain branch of the political market Michelle's comments will appear out of line. But we also need to encourage people to think again, and Michelle is in the perfect position to ask the perfect questions to hang the cheese in front of the wheels in our brain.

Very true. Beyond just presenting a purely conservative view, there's an entirely different approach O'Reilly et al take. I personally find them very condescending and preachy myself. I really don't care to be talked down to on a daily basis by some media personality, but, to each their own, I suppose.

I like NPR because they keep the tone very even and civil. No yelling or preaching ever. Same with PBS.

Actually, the half hour evening news on NBC/CBS/ABC also do a very good job at keeping things level, but they focus too much on junkfood news.

Some of the MSNBC and CNN shows are as bad as the ones on Fox, though.

Code_Archeologist: make me some tea: It's too bad, they might learn something if they were to change the channel every so often.

Learning is how liberals get their America-hating ideas into the heads of good God-fearing people.

Heh, I always find it amusing when "conservatives" deride public school funding. Who needs edjumuckation when we can dump all of our problems on brown people?

YEEHAW! *shoots guns*

Meanwhile, lots of "brown people" are busy leapfrogging us tighty whities on educating their own children to get ahead in life.

sloppy shoes: The problem is people don't understand the difference between oreilly and NPR. NPR has shows about politics, news, and issues. Bill O'Reilly's show is about political marketing. All he ever does is talk about impressions and what is selling- and Juan is correct, to a certain branch of the political market Michelle's comments will appear out of line. But we also need to encourage people to think again, and Michelle is in the perfect position to ask the perfect questions to hang the cheese in front of the wheels in our brain.

To be fair to O'Reilly - this is true about almost every cable show. None of them talk about policy in any real way. They all just talk about politics.

Nabb1: Huh. That article was not at all what I expected. Apparently the mail was generated because some viewers perceived he had disparaged Michelle Obama.

/Like NPR, but Robert Reich is still a Marxist midget.

Not a Nazi dwarf? Would fit the name better....

/Hitler, but littler.
/Stalin, but a small 'un.

make me some tea:

It's hard to say whether NPR is biased toward the liberal side. They may be a little bit, but yeah they do work hard to keep it pretty level. Perhaps their listener base tends to be more liberal simply because they don't have shows where people sit around and holler their heads off for an hour. I find that refreshing and almost unique in the 24hr news biz, myself.

Reality has a liberal bias.

It Smee: Reality has a liberal bias.

True dat.

I can't help but think that people tune into those stupid pundit shows for the same reasons they'd watch Jerry Springer or COPS. Less content, more mindless drama.

DamnYankees:

To be fair to O'Reilly - this is true about almost every cable show. None of them talk about policy in any real way. They all just talk about politics.

I agree. But O'Reilly is the best. He understands what he's doing. That's why Jon Stewart is wrong- MSNBC isn't Fox on the left. Fox is trying to sell you a product, but MSNBC is trying to help you not buy a product- they realized liberals, or people who value mostly honesty, crave something more. The purpose of MSNBC is to position itself not such that the democrats are right, but the republicans are wrong. Fox and O'Reilly will lie at will if it puts you into that '03 Republican with no money down. Anything for the sale. MSNBC just wants you to not buy Fox.

CNN just tries to be the stupid man's NPR or BBC.

sloppy shoes: I agree. But O'Reilly is the best. He understands what he's doing. That's why Jon Stewart is wrong- MSNBC isn't Fox on the left. Fox is trying to sell you a product, but MSNBC is trying to help you not buy a product- they realized liberals, or people who value mostly honesty, crave something more. The purpose of MSNBC is to position itself not such that the democrats are right, but the republicans are wrong. Fox and O'Reilly will lie at will if it puts you into that '03 Republican with no money down. Anything for the sale. MSNBC just wants you to not buy Fox.

I never looked at it that way, but I think you are right there. Plus, I just don't see nearly the level of self-righteousness from liberals that I see from conservatives. Most liberals I see and talk to realize that there's at least a possibility they may be wrong about something, and when proven wrong they quickly adapt to new facts. I don't see that much at all from right-wing stuff.

CNN just tries to be the stupid man's NPR or BBC.

Nancy Grace... blech!

sloppy shoes: Fox and O'Reilly will lie at will if it puts you into that '03 Republican with no money down. Anything for the sale. MSNBC just wants you to not buy Fox.

I think you are conflating MSNBC with Olbermann. You described Keith pretty much exactly in that post. I think Maddow is just a liberal, though, who espouses liberal things.

"I regret that in the fast-paced, argumentative format my tone and tenor seems to have led people to see me as attacking instead of explaining my informed point of view."

Oh snap!

NPR is great. Its the only news source I listen to besides watching CSPAN. There is a simple solution to this problem. Dont watch FOX news.Its that simple.

Talk about butthurt.

make me some tea: keylock71: Some folks have got some pretty thin skin, apparently...

/loves NPR

Well that's the thing though, if he's an independent contractor, why should Fox be telling everyone he's NPR's guy? Especially considering he worked for them first.

Because NPR is his main gig. It's the same as Fox saying a reporter for the Dallas Morning News is ... a reporter for the Dallas Morning News.

make me some tea: Well that's the thing though, if he's an independent contractor, why should Fox be telling everyone he's NPR's guy? Especially considering he worked for them first.

Its that faux balance they claim to care about. You know, the way Kondrake is a "democrat". Riiiiight.

Oh I almost forgot. I apologize. Here you go



-Pooot!

O'Reilly doesn't have enough time to report real news. The Great American Culture Quiz is much more important.

It Smee: Reality has a liberal bias.

Contradiction. Reality has no bias.

Saying it does is like ... well, Obama invoking the Founders as if he's carrying on their legacy - he might as well continue all of Bush's programs and call it "change."

Wait ...

12349876: O'Reilly doesn't have enough time to report real news. The Great American Culture Quiz is much more important.

He's a commentator last time I checked.

3_Butt_Cheeks: 12349876: O'Reilly doesn't have enough time to report real news. The Great American Culture Quiz is much more important.

He's a commentator last time I checked.

If you're going to be a nitpick.

O'Reilly doesn't have enough to time to COMMENT ON real news because the Great American Culture Quiz is much more important.