I predict that at least one of us on Fark will change jobs within the next 30 years. Just a hunch.

/And I see someone with a relative who's name starts with S...anyone?

Seeing as Bibi was just elected, and he'll be making a coalition with Lieberman, that might end up closer to 2030 than 2010.

Tatsuma: Seeing as Bibi was just elected, and he'll be making a coalition with Lieberman, that might end up closer to 2030 than 2010.

It's a little unseemly to have your tongue out for war like a dog hanging out the window.

Bored Horde: It's a little unseemly to have your tongue out for war like a dog hanging out the window.

Since when is stating the facts having your tongue out for war?

The fact is that Iran hasn't stopped its program, I've been consistently saying that I prayed for a peaceful solution, if they wanted an open and transparent program that could not lead to nuclear weapons was fine with me, but ultimately if they chose the other path it was imperative for the security of Israel that they be stopped at any cost, through any means.

Bush stopped Olmert from bombing Iran, but Obama will not be able to stop Bibi and a strong right-wing coalition.

Is it the outcome I wished for? fark no. I really wanted Iran to back down and not go that way. If I have a choice between an attack that will set back Iran 10-15 years in their nuclear program or doing nothing? I'll take the regional conflict, Hizbullah rockets and UN condemnations because it's a smaller pain compared to Iran with the Bomb.

Tatsuma: The fact is that Iran hasn't stopped its program, I've been consistently saying that I prayed for a peaceful solution, if they wanted an open and transparent program that could not lead to nuclear weapons was fine with me, but ultimately if they chose the other path it was imperative for the security of Israel that they be stopped at any cost, through any means.

Bush stopped Olmert from bombing Iran, but Obama will not be able to stop Bibi and a strong right-wing coalition.

Is it the outcome I wished for? fark no. I really wanted Iran to back down and not go that way. If I have a choice between an attack that will set back Iran 10-15 years in their nuclear program or doing nothing? I'll take the regional conflict, Hizbullah rockets and UN condemnations because it's a smaller pain compared to Iran with the Bomb.

Your entire fear is based on the idea that Iran would use a nuclear bomb IF they developed it. Haven't we already pointed out how baseless this fear is?

Bored Horde: Your entire fear is based on the idea that Iran would use a nuclear bomb IF they developed it. Haven't we already pointed out how baseless this fear is?

If a neighbour down the street from me is constantly shouting "Death to Tatsuma! Death to Tatsuma!" and has for the last 30 odd years, trains, hires and funds people to attack me or my relatives, then one day I find out that he's trying to make enough napalm in his garage to burn down my home, I'm not going to sit down and do nothing based on the knowledge that my uncle's got enough C4 to destroy the whole block if he did burn me and my family alive in our sleep.

and I might make these leftovers warmer in the microwave right now

Tatsuma: If a neighbour down the street from me is constantly shouting "Death to Tatsuma! Death to Tatsuma!" and has for the last 30 odd years, trains, hires and funds people to attack me or my relatives, then one day I find out that he's trying to make enough napalm in his garage to burn down my home, I'm not going to sit down and do nothing based on the knowledge that my uncle's got enough C4 to destroy the whole block if he did burn me and my family alive in our sleep.

Sure, if you can condense the relationship between two nations in as complex an are as the middle east down to a neighbour across the street.

Iran has powerful leaders who run the country. They like being in power. They keep the masses in line by whipping up the specter of Israel and America (helped by Israel and America's continued use of overwhelming military force to push their agenda*). Iran would gain nothing by nuking Israel.

*This isn't unique to either country

Tatsuma: If a neighbour down the street from me is constantly shouting "Death to Tatsuma! Death to Tatsuma!" and has for the last 30 odd years, trains, hires and funds people to attack me or my relatives, then one day I find out that he's trying to make enough napalm in his garage to burn down my home, I'm not going to sit down and do nothing based on the knowledge that my uncle's got enough C4 to destroy the whole block if he did burn me and my family alive in our sleep.

This goes both ways you know. I'm surprised Israel hasn't nuked Iran yet and defended it as a pre-emptive attack.

What a coincidence....Comcast told me that's the same time the cable guy is going to show up.

What the hell is this, the fear-mongering bush leagues? "Well, we're not sure if China or Russia or the Al Quaeda will be enough of a tool to terrorize our own citizenry, so let's keep that Iran Nuke thing on the back burner just in case"

Tatsuma: Bored Horde: It's a little unseemly to have your tongue out for war like a dog hanging out the window.

Since when is stating the facts having your tongue out for war?

The fact is that Iran hasn't stopped its program, I've been consistently saying that I prayed for a peaceful solution, if they wanted an open and transparent program that could not lead to nuclear weapons was fine with me, but ultimately if they chose the other path it was imperative for the security of Israel that they be stopped at any cost, through any means.

Bush stopped Olmert from bombing Iran, but Obama will not be able to stop Bibi and a strong right-wing coalition.

Is it the outcome I wished for? fark no. I really wanted Iran to back down and not go that way. If I have a choice between an attack that will set back Iran 10-15 years in their nuclear program or doing nothing? I'll take the regional conflict, Hizbullah rockets and UN condemnations because it's a smaller pain compared to Iran with the Bomb.

You think Israel is alone in the world right now? Be prepared to REALLY go it alone after the massive global shiatstorm that results from attacking Iran.

Tatsuma: Bored Horde: It's a little unseemly to have your tongue out for war like a dog hanging out the window.

Since when is stating the facts having your tongue out for war?

The fact is that Iran hasn't stopped its program, I've been consistently saying that I prayed for a peaceful solution,

Well there's your problem.

Is it the outcome I wished for? fark no. I really wanted Iran to back down and not go that way. If I have a choice between an attack that will set back Iran 10-15 years in their nuclear program or doing nothing? I'll take the regional conflict, Hizbullah rockets and UN condemnations because it's a smaller pain compared to Iran with the Bomb.

You'll have a lot more than that to deal with when our gas is $15 a gallon because of paranoid Israeli policy.

Anyhoo, I still say Israel doesn't have the stones.

U.S. officials said that although no new evidence had surfaced to undercut the findings of the 2007 estimate, there was growing consensus that it provided a misleading picture and that the country was poised to reach crucial bomb-making milestones this year.

As yes, US "Intelligence"

Tatsuma: Seeing as Bibi was just elected, and he'll be making a coalition with Lieberman, that might end up closer to 2030 than 2010.



Gee man, calm down, I think you're drooling.

Jaakobi

That was bad I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.C.E., very bad I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.C.E.

Why is it okay for Israel to have atomic weapons, and Pakistan to have atomic weapons, but not Iran?

The truth is that we simply cannot keep 60 year old technology from people who want to have it.

Bored Horde: Your entire fear is based on the idea that Iran would use a nuclear bomb IF they developed it. Haven't we already pointed out how baseless this fear is?

Yes. And the retards that don't understand it are beyond helping. It's not very complicated. If you know what Iran's ambitions are, you know that they will not nuke Israel. It just sucks that they can't be intimidated like they used to.

Tatsuma: Bored Horde: Your entire fear is based on the idea that Iran would use a nuclear bomb IF they developed it. Haven't we already pointed out how baseless this fear is?

If a neighbour down the street from me is constantly shouting "Death to Tatsuma! Death to Tatsuma!" and has for the last 30 odd years, trains, hires and funds people to attack me or my relatives, then one day I find out that he's trying to make enough napalm in his garage to burn down my home, I'm not going to sit down and do nothing based on the knowledge that my uncle's got enough C4 to destroy the whole block if he did burn me and my family alive in our sleep.


I don't know , did you invade his home 30 years ago, torturing and killing members of his household?

Maybe the Mossad/SAVAK partnership wasn't such a great idea for Israel in the long run, eh?

vernonFL: Why is it okay for Israel to have atomic weapons, and Pakistan to have atomic weapons, but not Iran?

The truth is that we simply cannot keep 60 year old technology from people who want to have it.

Stability.

Intelligence "Please, we need the money". This headline brought to you the Cabinet Noir Restoration Society.

Tatsuma: If a neighbour down the street from me is constantly shouting "Death to Tatsuma! Death to Tatsuma!" and has for the last 30 odd years, trains, hires and funds people to attack me or my relatives, then one day I find out that he's trying to make enough napalm in his garage to burn down my home, I'm not going to sit down and do nothing based on the knowledge that my uncle's got enough C4 to destroy the whole block if he did burn me and my family alive in our sleep.

So you kill him and his entire family, and spend the rest of your life in jail. If Israel starts a regional shiatstorm with Iran, I foresee sanctions being imposed on them. And I sure hope Europe and the U.S. get on board.

Tatsuma: Bored Horde: It's a little unseemly to have your tongue out for war like a dog hanging out the window.

Since when is stating the facts having your tongue out for war?

The fact is that Iran hasn't stopped its program, I've been consistently saying that I prayed for a peaceful solution, if they wanted an open and transparent program that could not lead to nuclear weapons was fine with me, but ultimately if they chose the other path it was imperative for the security of Israel that they be stopped at any cost, through any means.

Bush stopped Olmert from bombing Iran, but Obama will not be able to stop Bibi and a strong right-wing coalition.

Is it the outcome I wished for? fark no. I really wanted Iran to back down and not go that way. If I have a choice between an attack that will set back Iran 10-15 years in their nuclear program or doing nothing? I'll take the regional conflict, Hizbullah rockets and UN condemnations because it's a smaller pain compared to Iran with the Bomb.

So why are we and Israel "allowed" to have nukes. But the stinky brown muslims are terrorists for trying develop them?

Edsel: You think Israel is alone in the world right now? Be prepared to REALLY go it alone after the massive global shiatstorm that results from attacking Iran.

LOL I just said that. But after you. Don't we usually fight in other threads?

Bored Horde: Your entire fear is based on the idea that Iran would use a nuclear bomb IF they developed it. Haven't we already pointed out how baseless this fear is?

Who is this "WE" you speak of?

Obama has made it clear a nuclear armed Iran is unacceptable.

Tatsuma: Bored Horde: Your entire fear is based on the idea that Iran would use a nuclear bomb IF they developed it. Haven't we already pointed out how baseless this fear is?

If a neighbour down the street from me is constantly shouting "Death to Tatsuma! Death to Tatsuma!" and has for the last 30 odd years, trains, hires and funds people to attack me or my relatives, then one day I find out that he's trying to make enough napalm in his garage to burn down my home, I'm not going to sit down and do nothing based on the knowledge that my uncle's got enough C4 to destroy the whole block if he did burn me and my family alive in our sleep.

If my neighbor had started occupying part of my land 60 years ago, systematically stole land from me, shut off my electricity and water, blockaded my house so that I couldn't receive food, medical supplies, or visit family, then assaulted me with a force thousands of times greater than I could muster for defending my land then I would probably be pissed to.

Neither side is anywhere near innocent. Israel has used this as an opportunity to expand their borders from day one and has no intention of peace because it would destroy the excuse for expansion. Neither side will be happy until the other is completely out of Israel/Palestine.

Keep acting like they somehow have some sort of moral standing though.

Tatsuma: then one day I find out that he's trying to make enough napalm in his garage to burn down my home, I'm not going to sit down and do nothing based on the knowledge that my uncle's got enough C4 to destroy the whole block if he did burn me and my family alive in our sleep.

Too bad for your fantasy that Iran already has had chemical and biological weapons and the means to deliver them for decades.

wolvernova: Edsel: You think Israel is alone in the world right now? Be prepared to REALLY go it alone after the massive global shiatstorm that results from attacking Iran.

LOL I just said that. But after you. Don't we usually fight in other threads?

We do? I generally think you're a pretty reasonable sort.

If every country in the world has nuclear weapons, no country would use them anymore.

Party Boy, paging Party Boy, please come to the somewhat tangentially Israel thread and get your playmate Tatsumi.

Headso: Tatsuma: then one day I find out that he's trying to make enough napalm in his garage to burn down my home, I'm not going to sit down and do nothing based on the knowledge that my uncle's got enough C4 to destroy the whole block if he did burn me and my family alive in our sleep.

Too bad for your fantasy that Iran already has had chemical and biological weapons and the means to deliver them for decades.

But they're crazy! They'll do anything to harm Israel! It's a whole nation of suicide bombers!

OMG Iran has WMDs!?!?! When we evade we'll be greeted as liberators. They have links to Al Queda. We'll be out of there in a year after we depose their leadership and enforce a democracy by the barrel of the gun. WHY DOESN'T ANYONE TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!!!!!111!1!ELEVENTY!!

When one wrong answer doesn't sway to public towards war, throw out a dozen.

bartink: Party Boy, paging Party Boy, please come to the somewhat tangentially Israel thread and get your playmate Tatsumi.

Why? What is left to say? If Iran developed a nuke, it would be for MAD defence only. They have nothing to gain by nuking Israel, everything to lose.

Headso: Tatsuma: then one day I find out that he's trying to make enough napalm in his garage to burn down my home, I'm not going to sit down and do nothing based on the knowledge that my uncle's got enough C4 to destroy the whole block if he did burn me and my family alive in our sleep.

Too bad for your fantasy that Iran already has had chemical and biological weapons and the means to deliver them for decades.

Not without a squadron of the Israeli air force coming via the Turkish border and dropping a nuke on Tehran, and the funny thing, even with a pre-emptive bombing run on Iran today is that the Arab states would pick them up on radar and allow them to do it.

It would be one thing if the US said "OK, we will dismantle and destroy our nuclear weapons as long as the rest of the world does the same". But that wont happen. Right now it's "we don't want the rest of the world to be able to defend themselves so we can continue to try and be the biggest bully on the block."

We should worry about this after the mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv settles. It's the only way to be sure.

Funk Brothers: If every country in the world has nuclear weapons, no country would use them anymore.

The gov'ts might not, but other groups might.

This statement suggests that countries use them frequently. That doesn't seem to be the case.

Tatsuma: Since when is stating the facts having your tongue out for war?

The fact is that Iran hasn't stopped its program, I've been consistently saying that I prayed for a peaceful solution, if they wanted an open and transparent program that could not lead to nuclear weapons was fine with me, but ultimately if they chose the other path it was imperative for the security of Israel that they be stopped at any cost, through any means.

Bush stopped Olmert from bombing Iran, but Obama will not be able to stop Bibi and a strong right-wing coalition.
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LOL, bullshiat. You'll do what you're told, and you'd mess up our situtation in the ME with an attack on Iran.

In the end, you're just Americas biatch, and we ain't having a bombing run on Iran. Bibi and the boys can shake their sticks all they want to get the votes out, but an attack on Iran ain't happening, because the U.S. will NEVER allow it. We'll save you from yourslef like the parent of a dumb child.

Steed Lankershim: Right now it's "we don't want the rest of the world to be able to defend themselves so we can continue to try and be the biggest bully on the block."

Nuclear weapons are not for defending oneself.

apeiron242: We should worry about this after the mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv settles. It's the only way to be sure.

Americans won't fall for that bullshiat again.

PascalsGhost: Tatsuma: Since when is stating the facts having your tongue out for war?

The fact is that Iran hasn't stopped its program, I've been consistently saying that I prayed for a peaceful solution, if they wanted an open and transparent program that could not lead to nuclear weapons was fine with me, but ultimately if they chose the other path it was imperative for the security of Israel that they be stopped at any cost, through any means.

Bush stopped Olmert from bombing Iran, but Obama will not be able to stop Bibi and a strong right-wing coalition.
.

LOL, bullshiat. You'll do what you're told, and you'd mess up our situtation in the ME with an attack on Iran.

In the end, you're just Americas biatch, and we ain't having a bombing run on Iran. Bibi and the boys can shake their sticks all they want to get the votes out, but an attack on Iran ain't happening, because the U.S. will NEVER allow it. We'll save you from yourslef like the parent of a dumb child.

Pretty much this, and that's the end of that topic.

Bored Horde: bartink: Party Boy, paging Party Boy, please come to the somewhat tangentially Israel thread and get your playmate Tatsumi.

Why? What is left to say? If Iran developed a nuke, it would be for MAD defence only. They have nothing to gain by nuking Israel, everything to lose.

You guys miss the point completely. It has nothing to do with defense or destroying Israel, but for foreign policy projection.

Israel is bombing the Gaza Strip to route Hamas in 2010. Iran has stated that nuclear missiles are aimed at Tel Aviv and Iranian ships are dropping off weaponry and other 'aid' to Gaza city.

How does Israel stop Iranian ships delivering weaponry without a nuclear confrontation?

This headline brought to you by the years 1994-2030

And the letters W, M & D!
/got nothing

3_Butt_Cheeks: Steed Lankershim: Right now it's "we don't want the rest of the world to be able to defend themselves so we can continue to try and be the biggest bully on the block."

Nuclear weapons are not for defending oneself.

It's working for North Korea.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Steed Lankershim: Right now it's "we don't want the rest of the world to be able to defend themselves so we can continue to try and be the biggest bully on the block."

Nuclear weapons are not for defending oneself.

Wow, what a complete lack of understand of the world around you. Really, go cracka book or something , cause that was retarded.

Edsel: wolvernova: Edsel: You think Israel is alone in the world right now? Be prepared to REALLY go it alone after the massive global shiatstorm that results from attacking Iran.

LOL I just said that. But after you. Don't we usually fight in other threads?

We do? I generally think you're a pretty reasonable sort.

[looks at stimulus thread...]

You're right. Nevermind.

Tatsuma: Seeing as Bibi was just elected, and he'll be making a coalition with Lieberman, that might end up closer to 2030 than 2010.

Having Isreal controlled by a conservative and an unapologetic fascist would make me (If I were Iran) much more eager to get my hands on a nuke so I would have some insurance that the crazy SOBs wouldn't attack me.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Steed Lankershim: Right now it's "we don't want the rest of the world to be able to defend themselves so we can continue to try and be the biggest bully on the block."

Nuclear weapons are not for defending oneself.

The last time a nuke was used offensively was WW2. We've since recognized that nukes are deterrent weapons only. In fact, during the cold war both the Soviets and Americans automated a lot of their nuclear response to stop a leader from holding back from total worldwide destruction. Turns out that we're good at talking shiat but nobody wants to turn the planet into an unoccupied wasteland.

With the exception of diehard survivalist zombie fans, of course. Freaks.

Steed Lankershim: It would be one thing if the US said "OK, we will dismantle and destroy our nuclear weapons as long as the rest of the world does the same". But that wont happen. Right now it's "we don't want the rest of the world to be able to defend themselves so we can continue to try and be the biggest bully on the block."

Pssst...Iran signed a treaty agreeing to inspectors and not to develope nuclear weapons...