I really wonder sometimes if they are just lying or truly among the stupidest people on the planet.

How the hell do people like this get election?

It has just the air of Truthiness to be accepted by the (George) Will-fully ignorant political party of the united states. "Who cares if the dates don't match up? It makes me sound like I know what I'm talking about! And my constituents don't give a shiat about facts!"

DamnYankees: How the hell do people like this get election?

Have you met the average voter?

Rep. Austrian also notes that "San Diego" is German for "Whale's Vagina."

I just farted a rainbow... I think Obama's plan will work.

What is even funnier is that FDR also proved the Keynesian economics were improving the economy when the budget cuts of 1937 drove the country back into a recession, which ended the following year when they restored the money.

GAT_00: What is even funnier is that FDR also proved the Keynesian economics were improving the economy when the budget cuts of 1937 drove the country back into a recession, which ended the following year when they restored the money.

Little known fact: the Marijuana Tax Act was to blame for the 37-38 recession.

/...or maybe not.

REPUBLICANS KNOW fark ALL ABOUT ECONOMICS... jeez.

/I shouldn't have to yell here.

Roosevelt was actually an alien from the Spider Nebula, sent here to enslave humanity but instead crippled by bacteria in the atmosphere we'd all become used to, resulting in his eventual death. That's just history.

Well, if the last eight years have taught us anything, it's that"Republican facts" usually don't have anything to do with reality...

keylock71: Well, if the last eight years have taught us anything, it's that"Republican facts" usually don't have anything to do with reality...

They do if you repeat them enough, they have to.

The general population as well as the Congress knew FDR's crap was failing by the midterm elections (second term).

Austrian Wut?



/palin

These type of people already rewrote the Revolution as some sort of God-inspired manifest destiny crap that makes no sense. (They never once mention the Navigation Acts.)

Sure, let's rewrite modern history too! FDR was worse than Hitler and his communist plans doomed America for the next 50 years. Saint Reagan saved us from this oppressive nightmare.

Up next: Robber Barons, how they helped the common man.

RobertBruce: The general population as well as the Congress knew FDR's crap was failing by the midterm elections (second term).

Irrelevant to the quote, though. The point is that FDR didn't cause the Great Depression--even if the New Deal wasn't ultimately as successful as history leads us to believe. In fact, the unemployment rate was higher at the end of the decade than it was at the beginning.

Hender: RobertBruce: The general population as well as the Congress knew FDR's crap was failing by the midterm elections (second term).

Irrelevant to the quote, though. The point is that FDR didn't cause the Great Depression--even if the New Deal wasn't ultimately as successful as history leads us to believe. In fact, the unemployment rate was higher at the end of the decade than it was at the beginning.

Oh I see, I thought he meant when it actually got worse which was right in that middle part of his second term. There actually HAD been a slight attempt at a recovery but he pushed things too far.

When you're determining who you want to represent you, you need to feel confident your representative will be able to evaluate policies of the past which worked and which didn't, in order to enrich your life. This isn't the same as thinking FDR was on TV ... this is real policy farkups. And he's out there telling people FDR caused the Depression not because it's true, but because he's on the other team. Sickening.

WaltzingMathilda: When you're determining who you want to represent you, you need to feel confident your representative will be able to evaluate policies of the past which worked and which didn't, in order to enrich your life. This isn't the same as thinking FDR was on TV ... this is real policy farkups. And he's out there telling people FDR caused the Depression not because it's true, but because he's on the other team. Sickening.

Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence. Or in this case, ignorance.

Reposting from a previous thread:

The New Deal was enacted from 1933 to 1938 (it wasn't a single piece of legislation, it was a continuing process during that period). The Great Depression is generally considered to have lasted from 1929 to 1933 (at least, in terms of the very worst of it). World War II lasted from 1939 to 1945. We joined the war in 1941.

GDP from 1920 to 1940:



Employment from 1920 to 1940:




Those blue lines show specifically when the New Deal began.

Some of you might have heard things like "Unemployment was still at 10% in 1940!" That's true. What they never mention is that in 1933, that rate was 24.9%.

RobertBruce: The general population as well as the Congress knew FDR's crap was failing by the midterm elections (second term).

Well actually no. The 1937 recession is largely pegged to the contraction of stimulus spending that FDR undertook in response to criticism from republicans about the expanding federal deficit.

/republicans-- providing fiscal stupidity for over 70 years

RobertBruce: Oh I see, I thought he meant when it actually got worse which was right in that middle part of his second term. There actually HAD been a slight attempt at a recovery but he pushed things too far.

As I pointed out before, it was when he didn't push far enough that things began to crash again. Bloody William just posted the relevant graphs. Why are you trying to rewrite history? Keynesian economics got this country out of the Great Depression. They work, and work well.

Hender: WaltzingMathilda: When you're determining who you want to represent you, you need to feel confident your representative will be able to evaluate policies of the past which worked and which didn't, in order to enrich your life. This isn't the same as thinking FDR was on TV ... this is real policy farkups. And he's out there telling people FDR caused the Depression not because it's true, but because he's on the other team. Sickening.

Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence. Or in this case, ignorance.

All 3 explanations are equally disheartening, however.

GAT_00: As I pointed out before, it was when he didn't push far enough that things began to crash again. Bloody William just posted the relevant graphs. Why are you trying to rewrite history? Keynesian economics got this country out of the Great Depression. They work, and work well.

Its an old republican trick. You rewrite history because the actual facts don't support your argument. It's like how they say that Reagan won the Cold War singlehandedly.

I'm convinced that the three worst Presidents in American history were FDR, Carter, and Clinton. And, this is purely based on the past 18 months of GOP supporters here on Fark.

BritneysSpeculum: GAT_00: As I pointed out before, it was when he didn't push far enough that things began to crash again. Bloody William just posted the relevant graphs. Why are you trying to rewrite history? Keynesian economics got this country out of the Great Depression. They work, and work well.

Its an old republican trick. You rewrite history because the actual facts don't support your argument. It's like how they say that Reagan won the Cold War singlehandedly.

Don't forget that the Iranians immediately released the hostages "when Reagan looked them squarely in the eye."

bulldg4life: I'm convinced that the three worst Presidents in American history were FDR, Carter, and Clinton. And, this is purely based on the past 18 months of GOP supporters here on Fark.

Well based on their comments over the past 4 weeks, Obama is the worst hands down.

it's just like the time that the emancipation proclamation caused the civil war.

burndtdan: it's just like the time that the emancipation proclamation caused the civil war.

And that time Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in response to us declaring war on them.

Neeek: burndtdan: it's just like the time that the emancipation proclamation caused the civil war.

And that time Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in response to us declaring war on them.

It works better when you say that a 100% completely unprovoked Japan bombed Pearl Harbor because they were just mean doody-heads.

Neeek: burndtdan: it's just like the time that the emancipation proclamation caused the civil war.

And that time Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in response to us declaring war on them.

And that time when we invaded Iraq because its WMD posed an imminent danger to the US.

BritneysSpeculum: And that time when we invaded Iraq because its WMD posed an imminent danger to the US.

That's not revisionist history--that's what they were actually saying at the time.

Hender: That's not revisionist history--that's what they were actually saying at the time.

I know, I just like reminding the fundies.

BritneysSpeculum: And that time when we invaded Iraq because its WMD posed an imminent danger to the US.

I think you mean 9/11 how Iraq was 9/11 harboring terrorists and was 9/11 a threat to American 9/11 safety.

Neeek: burndtdan: it's just like the time that the emancipation proclamation caused the civil war.

And that time Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in response to us declaring war on them.

i think you mean the germans.

History, motherfarker! Do you know it?

burndtdan: i think you mean the germans.

Forget it--he's on a roll.

/second time I've quoted Animal House today.

DamnYankees: I really wonder sometimes if they are just lying or truly among the stupidest people on the planet.

The second one.

It's like they have the functional organs to make human speech, but the organ that creates human thought is missing.

Strange disease, this modern Republicanism.

The New Deal has always been at war with Eastasia.

Eddie_Dean_NY: It's like they have the functional organs to make human speech, but the organ that creates human thought is missing.

Strange disease, this modern Republicanism.

This is what I don't get -- there are plenty of valid arguments against the bailout. Or if not the bailout itself, it's particulars. But out of:

McCain
Pence
McConnell
Kyl
Vitter
L. Graham
Boehner

...and now this twit? I've heard more sense from our conservative Fark brethren.

No, this is true. FDR got on the television when the stock market crashed and was all "sorry I totally screwed you with my tax and spend liberalism."

Diogenes: This is what I don't get -- there are plenty of valid arguments against the bailout. Or if not the bailout itself, it's particulars.

I agree. I could sit down and point at specifics and say "bad idea, good idea", but the only thing most of the GOP pundits and politicians will say is "cut taxes and spending".

1.) We've proven over and over for the last 80 years that cutting taxes by itself doesn't help the economy.

b.) Where were all of these GOP politicians from 2000-2006, when the government was spending like a coked-out trust-fund brat? Oh yeah, they were in control of all three branches.

Yo, Dawg! I heard you like free markets, so we took the regulators out of your regulation!

Eddie_Dean_NY: b.) Where were all of these GOP politicians from 2000-2006, when the government was spending like a coked-out trust-fund brat? Oh yeah, they were in control of all three branches.

Gonna disagree with you there, champ. The Supreme Court has its split, but the swing vote until 2006 was Justice O'Connor, who tended to side with the more liberal half of the court. After her retirement, now it's Justice Stevens, who's more conservative but still tends to side with the liberal half more often than not.

RobertBruce: The general population as well as the Congress knew FDR's crap was failing by the midterm elections (second term).

You need to stop repeating Hannity and Limbaugh nonsense and actually learn some history and economics, scooter.

GAT_00: RobertBruce: Oh I see, I thought he meant when it actually got worse which was right in that middle part of his second term. There actually HAD been a slight attempt at a recovery but he pushed things too far.

As I pointed out before, it was when he didn't push far enough that things began to crash again. Bloody William just posted the relevant graphs. Why are you trying to rewrite history? Keynesian economics got this country out of the Great Depression. They work, and work well.

To be fair, everybody knows that reality has a verifiable liberal bias.

Well, Reagan only solved the '81 recession by shooting Jodie Foster.

That's just history.

Hender: Eddie_Dean_NY: b.) Where were all of these GOP politicians from 2000-2006, when the government was spending like a coked-out trust-fund brat? Oh yeah, they were in control of all three branches.

Gonna disagree with you there, champ. The Supreme Court has its split, but the swing vote until 2006 was Justice O'Connor, who tended to side with the more liberal half of the court. After her retirement, now it's Justice Stevens, who's more conservative but still tends to side with the liberal half more often than not.

FAIL. I meant Kennedy, not Stevens.

He even sounds like Ron Burgundy being a total blowhard screaming "THAT'S JUST SCIENTIFIC FACT!" at the end of a sentence.

It's like how you libs love to say that Hitler killed six million jews, which is just obviously false. It was more like six thousand. You guys are such drama queens.