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(Some Wikileaker) Hero 6,780 quasi-secret congressional reports leaked, covering everything from relations with Israel to abortion legislation. Dig in, this could be a goldmine   (wikileaks.org) divider line 167
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Party Boy [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 09:15:02 AM  
thanks, subby

 
ZAZ [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 09:21:19 AM  
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That's what they want me to think.

 
Biff_Steel 2009-02-08 09:39:17 AM  
That's awesome.

 
Mugato [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 09:39:54 AM  
Although all CRS reports are legally in the public domain, they are quasi-secret because the CRS, as a matter of policy, makes the reports available only to members of Congress, Congressional committees and select sister agencies such as the GAO.

Members of Congress are free to selectively release CRS reports to the public but are only motivated to do so when they feel the results would assist them politically. Universally embarrassing reports are kept quiet.


That's just super.

 
heinekenftw 2009-02-08 09:42:47 AM  
The Bush-Blair 2003 Iraq memo was a secret memo of a meeting between American President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair that took place on January 31, 2003. It purportedly showed that the Bush administration had already decided on the US invasion of Iraq at that point.

It has become controversial for its content, which shows Bush floating the idea of painting a U-2 spyplane in UN colors and letting it fly low over Iraq to provoke the then-leader Saddam Hussein to shoot it down, providing a pretext for America and Britain's subsequent invasion.


Oh boy, the shiat you can find in here when you search "Bush."

 
King Something [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 09:44:53 AM  
*bookmark*

 
plutonium 2009-02-08 09:50:20 AM  
This is going to be epic. Bookmark. ;)

 
ryebread [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 09:51:25 AM  
Party Boy: thanks, subby

My pleasure.

First greenlight, I'm glad that it was about something worthwhile. Normally when I've submitted Wikileaks stuff in the past, it has gone red and only gotten around 30-40 views... I've been happy with that, I figure if I do something that informs that many people, and knowledge is contagious, I've done my good dead for the day. Seeing ~200 clicks on this one already is great :)

Some mirrors, just in case:
123456 (all links pop)

 
ryebread [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 09:55:32 AM  
ryebread: dead deed

FTFM. Damn it, I got all wrapped up in the excitement of having a greenlight, and screwed it all up.

img1.fark.net

 
alostpacket [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 09:55:34 AM  
ryebread: I've done my good dead for the day.


Murderer!

 
Drakkenmaw 2009-02-08 09:59:38 AM  
Sunlight makes the vermin scatter. We need more of it.

 
c152atn67 2009-02-08 10:01:06 AM  
This looks to be quite a doozy; I'll have some Sunday reading to do.

 
attackingpencil 2009-02-08 10:02:17 AM  
ryebread:

It's cool, I didn't have a paper to write today...you bastard.

 
alostpacket [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:04:52 AM  
ryebread: ryebread: dead deed

FTFM. Damn it, I got all wrapped up in the excitement of having a greenlight, and screwed it all up.


Naw, 'tis all good. Thanks for the link.

 
Bildo [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:11:27 AM  
heinekenftw: Oh boy, the shiat you can find in here when you search "Bush."

It doesn't have a copy of the memo, just a reference to Wikipedia. I want to read the actual memo, not a paraphrase of it.

 
FitzShivering 2009-02-08 10:13:02 AM  
c152atn67: This looks to be quite a doozy; I'll have some Sunday reading to do.

If you find many doozies, be sure to link them. From what I can tell so far most of these are just reports using (and footnoting to) information in various CNN/Yahoo/NYT articles.

Still, most of it is pretty interesting, to say the least.

 
legendary fool 2009-02-08 10:14:51 AM  
i28.photobucket.com

 
BladBoy [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:19:16 AM  
Most of all it proves, as if there was any doubt, that Bush is a scumbag:

From the Bush-Aznar Memo (new window)

"Aznar asks if there is a chance that Hussein will go into exile. Bush responds that it is a possibility, and that Hussein may even be assassinated. Bush says he expects to discover more of Hussein's hidden crimes, and will then take him to an international court in The Hague.

Aznar says that the best outcome would be a bloodless victory. Bush, acknowledging the death and destruction of war, agrees. "Moreover, it would save $50 billion."

So, Mr. "International Courts Suck" Bush wants to send Saddam to The Hague, and Mr. "Culture of Life" Bush is more concerned about saving money than Iraqi lives. Damn I hate him so much, such a major league asshole.

 
xuanzhiyouxuan 2009-02-08 10:20:29 AM  
The newer CRS reports are usually available here as they are published.

 
Edsel 2009-02-08 10:21:29 AM  
Very interesting but the ones I've read so far seem mainly like think-tank position papers and analyses. Did the people writing these have security clearances? Doubt you're going to see many smoking guns in these files.

 
ryebread [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:24:13 AM  
FitzShivering: If you find many doozies, be sure to link them.

I'm not sure if you could call this a doozie, but considering these reports are widely viewed as nonpartisan...

From the Nov. 7, 2007 report titled "Would a Housing Crash Cause a Recession (new window)", under "Macroeconomic Policy Response":

A housing crash leads to lower economic growth through the channels described above only if all else remains equal. But the government need not remain idle and allow falling prices to feed through to lower economic growth. It can boost aggregate spending in the economy through expansionary fiscal or monetary policy.

That makes it kind of tough to say that they didn't see the crisis we're in now coming, or that they didn't know that stimulus/spending would be the solution.

 
commisioner 2009-02-08 10:24:46 AM  
surprised this thread hasn't kicked off more

 
FitzShivering 2009-02-08 10:25:48 AM  
I love this one: EESA
(new window)

Of course, I love any report that shows management and bureaucrats to be incompetent people throwing ideas out for smarter and more educated people than they to fix for them.

I might have to play the "it's unclear" drinking game on this one. Drink every time the analysts says something is unclear!

 
heinekenftw 2009-02-08 10:27:25 AM  
Bildo: It doesn't have a copy of the memo, just a reference to Wikipedia. I want to read the actual memo, not a paraphrase of it.

I can't seem to find the memo itself, but it is cited in several newspapers.

 
FitzShivering 2009-02-08 10:28:34 AM  
ryebread: FitzShivering: If you find many doozies, be sure to link them.

I'm not sure if you could call this a doozie, but considering these reports are widely viewed as nonpartisan...

From the Nov. 7, 2007 report titled "Would a Housing Crash Cause a Recession (new window)", under "Macroeconomic Policy Response":

A housing crash leads to lower economic growth through the channels described above only if all else remains equal. But the government need not remain idle and allow falling prices to feed through to lower economic growth. It can boost aggregate spending in the economy through expansionary fiscal or monetary policy.

That makes it kind of tough to say that they didn't see the crisis we're in now coming, or that they didn't know that stimulus/spending would be the solution.


I'm guessing this will end up like other businesses -- "We didn't have time to read that memo! We didn't know!!!"

 
Bonkthat_Again [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:28:34 AM  
All links are farked for me

 
FitzShivering 2009-02-08 10:30:14 AM  
Bonkthat_Again: All links are farked for me

Odd. Still navigating it myself fine and dandy. Just pulled up my 10th report to read, so it must still be servicing info. And now I'm going to go smoke a cigarette before I read this, as I know it will make me incredibly angry.

 
DFWPhotoGuy 2009-02-08 10:31:19 AM  
Book and marked. My god, this is going to be fun.

Dont go for the obvious farkers, go for subtle, un-known links and articles that may hold surprising trinkets. Im on India-Army Doctrine right now...kinda interesting.

 
ryebread [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:32:53 AM  
Bonkthat_Again: All links are farked for me

No luck on any of those 6 mirrors I posted? I can try to dig around and find more if need be, but it's still working just fine for me...

 
followmeinfantry 2009-02-08 10:33:24 AM  
Yeah, I was gonna finish a project for work

/not anymore
//Thanks Subby, you bastard
///Slashies are your friend.

 
JustinCase [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:34:22 AM  
I like starting with a quote FTA:
In 1913 Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, a forceful proponent for open government, stated "Sunlight is the best disinfectant; electric light the most efficient policeman". Those wise words are still true today.

 
DFWPhotoGuy 2009-02-08 10:35:25 AM  
http://wikileaks.org/leak/india-army-doctrine-part1-2004.pdf

Page 19. The explanation and graph on the progression of war is to the point and damn chilling. GREAT GREAT STUFF.

 
roadkillontheweb 2009-02-08 10:36:10 AM  
Open goverment?
Is this part of the new regime?

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:40:31 AM  
bookmarked for later review.

 
THX 1138 2009-02-08 10:46:55 AM  
heinekenftw: It has become controversial for its content, which shows Bush floating the idea of painting a U-2 spyplane in UN colors and letting it fly low over Iraq to provoke the then-leader Saddam Hussein to shoot it down, providing a pretext for America and Britain's subsequent invasion.

Let me get this straight:

When the other side doesn't wear a uniform, we declare that they're enemy combatants and have zero rights under any law.

When our side takes military vehicles, removes their military identification livery, and disguises them to look as though they belong to another body, we're justified and righteous.

 
BlaineIsAPain 2009-02-08 10:48:04 AM  
Too long. didn't read.

 
zoobaby 2009-02-08 10:48:15 AM  
commisioner: surprised this thread hasn't kicked off more

Too busy reading reports....

 
Magorn 2009-02-08 10:48:57 AM  
heinekenftw: The Bush-Blair 2003 Iraq memo was a secret memo of a meeting between American President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair that took place on January 31, 2003. It purportedly showed that the Bush administration had already decided on the US invasion of Iraq at that point.

It has become controversial for its content, which shows Bush floating the idea of painting a U-2 spyplane in UN colors and letting it fly low over Iraq to provoke the then-leader Saddam Hussein to shoot it down, providing a pretext for America and Britain's subsequent invasion.

Oh boy, the shiat you can find in here when you search "Bush."


That's the "Downing Street Memo" and it Veracity was reluctantly confirmed by the British Government after it was leaked (since they tried to prosecute the suspected leaker) the most damning phrase in the document, one that every "The whole world thought Saddam had WMD's apologist should be forced to recite 100 times is:

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

 
DFWPhotoGuy 2009-02-08 10:49:23 AM  
http://wikileaks.org/leak/merril-lynch-corpal-2006.pdf
Link (PDF Merril-lynch-corpal-2006)

So the former Tech Boss from Goldman Sachs and the former CEO of Myrill Lynch invest in an off shore Equity Trade Company in India to the tune of 11 million bucks (not much). In the past two years, profit is up 1000%.

Im digging into this, but there is some..interesting...info in here.

 
Magorn 2009-02-08 10:50:23 AM  
Bildo: heinekenftw: Oh boy, the shiat you can find in here when you search "Bush."

It doesn't have a copy of the memo, just a reference to Wikipedia. I want to read the actual memo, not a paraphrase of it.


Click here and ye shall recieve
(new window)

 
heinekenftw 2009-02-08 10:51:02 AM  
Magorn: heinekenftw: The Bush-Blair 2003 Iraq memo was a secret memo of a meeting between American President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair that took place on January 31, 2003. It purportedly showed that the Bush administration had already decided on the US invasion of Iraq at that point.

It has become controversial for its content, which shows Bush floating the idea of painting a U-2 spyplane in UN colors and letting it fly low over Iraq to provoke the then-leader Saddam Hussein to shoot it down, providing a pretext for America and Britain's subsequent invasion.

Oh boy, the shiat you can find in here when you search "Bush."

That's the "Downing Street Memo" and it Veracity was reluctantly confirmed by the British Government after it was leaked (since they tried to prosecute the suspected leaker) the most damning phrase in the document, one that every "The whole world thought Saddam had WMD's apologist should be forced to recite 100 times is:

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.


The Downing Street memo was different, that one allegedly stated that intelligence would twist the facts to make them fit the case.

 
EwokHunter 2009-02-08 10:55:05 AM  
Isn't this the kind of stuff you see going through a shredder before the investigators show up with dolleys and wheel carts?

 
HappyDaddy 2009-02-08 10:55:07 AM  
BladBoy: So, Mr. "International Courts Suck" Bush wants to send Saddam to The Hague, and Mr. "Culture of Life" Bush is more concerned about saving money than Iraqi lives. Damn I hate him so much, such a major league asshole.

Maybe you would hate him less if you read the transcript and discovered the difference between "moreover" and "besides."

 
Gosling [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:55:56 AM  
Oh, this is going to be fun fun.

I leaped right to 'Camp Delta Standard Operating Procedure'.

 
brigid_fitch [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:58:34 AM  
Wow, there's some incredible stuff in there. Just skimming through & I found this:

The attacks of September 11 prompted the Bush Administration to improve law enforcement and other coordination between the United States and European governments dealing with international terrorism. European governments have also taken measures to enhance cooperation among themselves. Most notable are European Union efforts to enhance cross-border sharing of intelligence and policy information, extend the reach of warrants, and strengthen external border controls. There are concerns in Europe that the United States is using the war against terrorism to pursue broader and more controversial foreign policy goals.

Yeah, ya think?? 7 years ago, this was brought to Bush & company's attention and they still pushed through with their agenda, trashing our reputation in the process.

European Counterterrorist Efforts Since September 11: Political Will and Diverse Responses, October 17, 2002

 
HeartlineTwist 2009-02-08 10:59:40 AM  
ryebread: FitzShivering: If you find many doozies, be sure to link them.

I'm not sure if you could call this a doozie, but considering these reports are widely viewed as nonpartisan...

From the Nov. 7, 2007 report titled "Would a Housing Crash Cause a Recession (new window)", under "Macroeconomic Policy Response":

A housing crash leads to lower economic growth through the channels described above only if all else remains equal. But the government need not remain idle and allow falling prices to feed through to lower economic growth. It can boost aggregate spending in the economy through expansionary fiscal or monetary policy.

That makes it kind of tough to say that they didn't see the crisis we're in now coming, or that they didn't know that stimulus/spending would be the solution.


The second part of that isn't a major prediction. It's Keynesian economics.

 
brigid_fitch [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 10:59:44 AM  
Gosling: Oh, this is going to be fun fun.

I leaped right to 'Camp Delta Standard Operating Procedure'.


Link please--can't find it.

 
Magic_Button 2009-02-08 11:00:11 AM  
Thanks Subby ,, clicking and downloading, shall have lots of sunday afternoon reading to do .

 
DFWPhotoGuy 2009-02-08 11:01:56 AM  
Steps taken to prevent world related terror events post 9-11 commision report.
http://wikileaks.org/leak/crs/RL32518.pdf
Building up state-run schools, so that Muslims are less likely to send their children to radical madrassas where extremist brands of Islam are propagated. The 9/11 Commission recommends creating a new multilateral "International Youth Opportunity Fund" that would seek to improve primary and secondary education in Muslim
communities.27 The Bush Administration moved in this direction in
October 2003, when it launched a $157 million program to help improve the quality of Indonesian schools. The initiative has been
criticized
on the grounds that unlike in Pakistan and the Middle East,where madrassas often are the best opportunity for an education, in Southeast Asia, many JI members hail from the middle class, and most recruitment appears to occur in mosques or on university campuses;


157 million for education in Indonesian (which I have no problem with), but we can't pass 98 million for school nutrition to help prevent childhood obesity and reduce health care costs! Goddamn it, I have to go do things today and I am stuck digging into this.

 
BladBoy [TotalFark] 2009-02-08 11:02:38 AM  
HappyDaddy: Maybe you would hate him less if you read the transcript and discovered the difference between "moreover" and "besides

more⋅o⋅ver
/mɔrˈoʊvər, moʊr-, ˈmɔrˌoʊvər, ˈmoʊr-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mawr-oh-ver, mohr-, mawr-oh-ver, mohr-] Show IPA Pronunciation
-adverb
in addition to what has been said; further; besides.

Link (new window)

Nope, changes nothing. If anything, this proves even more that Bush decided to go to war and didn't care about facts, costs, or lives. Period. Pro-life my ass!

 
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