The reason SK is this week's SHMHC is for a bit of congratulations to them on playing their biggest gig ever in North America at NYC's Madison Square Garden on 2/5/09.

Whatever sub-genre you want to put them in, Hard Core, grind Core, Spinal Tap and puppet show, it doesn't matter. These guys have used huge musical talent and the gimmickry of Kiss and King Diamond and Alice Cooper and... to build a huge and loyal listenership. A ton of bands have tried the whole make-up/mask and music thing but few have the talent to sustain it. These guys have sustained it.

Considering that Iowa was once part of a region of the US called "New France" they needed Slipknot for a bit of aggressive redemption.

Hmmm.... I didn't hate that nearly as much as I was expecting to. Not bad.

VictoryCabal: Hmmm.... I didn't hate that nearly as much as I was expecting to. Not bad.

You know, I'm actually happy to hear that. As loyal as their listenership is the hate for these guys is ferocious. Not sure why but I'm certain that there are about 30 people that are about to tell us...

not bad...for loud obnoxious music..... too bad subby can't spell.....

Can't deny that they are very popular and more accessible than most metal, but when you boil it down, its just a scary clown band. Gwar's been doing 100 times the theatrics for 25 years, and their turds have more musical talent.

I give it a resounding meh.

I used to be a Slipknot hater. I really like Wait and Bleed, though, so they've moved into neutral territory.

Rumor has it that their masks smell like hot, sweaty ass.

/Iowan

I thought this was Sunday Heavy Metal House Call. Yes it matters what sub-genre these ass clowns belong to. We get one SHMHC thread a week, and it is wasted on crap like this.

Let's get some real farking metal in here:


Amon Amarth - Runes to my Memory (new window)

Judas Priest - Painkiller (new window)


Kreator - Coma of Souls (new window)

Primordial - Empire Falls (new window)

Never been a fan personally, I do, however, see the appeal.

/Not really
//fark Iowa
///best friend is from Iowa...jackass.

Christi: I used to be a Slipknot hater. I really like Wait and Bleed, though, so they've moved into neutral territory.

Rumor has it that their masks smell like hot, sweaty ass.

/Iowan

So, you use to hate them before their first release?

Wait and Bleed - 1999

lpAZ:
So, you use to hate them before their first release?

Wait and Bleed - 1999

No, it's a fairly recent thing for me. I didn't listen to them when they first came out.

BigSnatch: Amon Amarth - Runes to my Memory (new window)

Amon Amarth - Viking-themed Melodic Death Metal

Judas Priest - Heavy Metal

Kreator - Thrash Metal

Primordial - Black Metal

Well, it looks like those same sub-genres give you one acceptable band out of the four you provided. I'm not a fan of Slipknot either, but if you're going to biatch about sub genres, at least get the bands you listed correct.

However, the proper way to approach the Heavy Metal House Call would be to recognize that when people say 'sub genre of metal' they're actually referring to sub-genres of HEAVY METAL aka Metal.

So, all of the bands you listed are 'Heavy Metal', but specific genres under that classification exist. Therefore, Slipknot is 'Heavy Metal' by way of belonging to a sub-genre.

BigSnatch: Amon Amarth - Runes to my Memory (new window)

That some impressive synchronized hair twirling in the begining. Kudos to the lead singer for being able to get his beard twirling as well.

DeathByGeekSquad:

So, all of the bands you listed are 'Heavy Metal', but specific genres under that classification exist. Therefore, Slipknot is 'Heavy Metal' by way of belonging to a sub-genre.

I was using Heavy Metal as the umbrella term, not as the sub-genre classification.

Slipknot is Nu-metal, somewhat of a misnomer as Nu-metal has more in common with hard rock than Metal. I'm sure you already know as you jumped on the opportunity to classify the bands I chose.

Christi: lpAZ:
So, you use to hate them before their first release?

Wait and Bleed - 1999

No, it's a fairly recent thing for me. I didn't listen to them when they first came out.

Check out Corey Taylor's other project, Stone Sour, too. You'll get a feel for how well rounded he really is.

dons the clown mask and gears up the kettle drums for a little Slipknot

My God, that was absolutely wretched. I hate the silly mask thing as well. That has worked for exactly two bands: GWAR and Skinny Puppy (at least in their live shows). I have no doubt, however, that Farkers will provide links to plenty of decent metal throughout this thread, and my wallet will become considerably lighter because of it.

/already eyeing an Amon Amarth album, specially after someone here turned me on to Turisas a couple weeks ago.
//Thank you, whoever that was.

What next, ICP?

Meh.

/looks forward to next Sunday

lpAZ:

Check out Corey Taylor's other project, Stone Sour, too. You'll get a feel for how well rounded he really is.

Yeah, I like some of Stone Sour's stuff. I prefer the middle ground between the two.

TeddyBallGame:
Whatever sub-genre you want to put them in, Hard Core, grind Core,...it doesn't matter.

First off, they aren't anywhere near hardcore or grind. To say they are is to be completely ignorant about those two genres, and even Slipknot.

Secondly, it does matter. If you think it doesn't, it's probably because you're still ignorant as to the general classification of music and you'd rather it all just go away and save you from these meddlesome headaches.


/And unless you're in 7th grade, quit listening to Slipknot.

Ive had a blast every time I attend a slipknot show. I couldnt get into the new album, but Im all about the subliminal verses, iowa, and the self titled.

I give the band a lot of respect, because they're probably the heaviest thing that gets, and will continue to get exposure on the radio.

if these guys were around when i was 14 i'd have been a fan for sure

Likes me some Slipknot.

Good Stuff!

Fark nu-metal.

Eluveitie - Primordial Breath
Anubis Gate - Beyond Redemption
The Arcane Order - Sanctity of Allegiance
Communic - Waves of Visual Decay
Cynic - Integral Birth
Manticora - Cantos
Gojira - Ouroburos
Borknagar - The Genuine Pulse

YOUR TASTE IN MUSIC SUCKS. LET ME SHOW YOU MY TASTE IN MUSIC WHICH IS OF COURSE IS FAR SUPERIOR.

Isis

Minsk

^ real metal or not real metal?

MrTom: YOUR TASTE IN MUSIC SUCKS. LET ME SHOW YOU MY TASTE IN MUSIC WHICH IS OF COURSE IS FAR SUPERIOR.

Now we're farking talking.

TeddyBallGame: The reason SK is this week's SHMHC is for a bit of congratulations to them on playing their biggest gig ever in North America at NYC's Madison Square Garden on 2/5/09.

Whatever sub-genre you want to put them in, Hard Core, grind Core, Spinal Tap and puppet show, it doesn't matter. These guys have used huge musical talent and the gimmickry of Kiss and King Diamond and Alice Cooper and... to build a huge and loyal listenership. A ton of bands have tried the whole make-up/mask and music thing but few have the talent to sustain it. These guys have sustained it.

Considering that Iowa was once part of a region of the US called "New France" they needed Slipknot for a bit of aggressive redemption.

Well thought out Sir. Unfortunatly, that mentality is the same as Jethro Tull beating out Metallica at the Grammys.

DeathByGeekSquad: So, all of the bands you listed are 'Heavy Metal', but specific genres under that classification exist. Therefore, Slipknot is 'Heavy Metal' by way of belonging to a sub-genre.

It's all metal. All of it. Get over it.

Seriously, who gives a flying fark if a band is "labelled" grindcore / death / black / food processor core / whatever the farkcore. Subgenres are the most retarded idea going.

Never been a fan of Slipknot either but I didn't hate that at all.

The Slush Fark nu-metal.

Cynic - Integral Birth


Amen brother.

MrTom: YOUR TASTE IN MUSIC SUCKS. LET ME SHOW YOU MY TASTE IN MUSIC WHICH IS OF COURSE IS FAR SUPERIOR.


So if you don't have anything nice to say about the selected band, don't say anything at all?

Guy 1: This band is so repetitive, their guitarist often only plays three notes a song, their lyrics often don't make any logical sense, and it seems like every member in the band is banging on the kettle drum. Poorly. They suck.

Guy 2: TASTE IN MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE! LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!

Patroclus:

Secondly, it does matter. If you think it doesn't, it's probably because you're still ignorant as to the general classification of music and you'd rather it all just go away and save you from these meddlesome headaches.


There are 3 musical genres:

1. Music I love.
2. Music I think is just OK.
3. Music I don't like.

At the end of the day, these are all that matters. If I wanted subclassification, I'd pick up a science book.

kab: DeathByGeekSquad: So, all of the bands you listed are 'Heavy Metal', but specific genres under that classification exist. Therefore, Slipknot is 'Heavy Metal' by way of belonging to a sub-genre.

It's all metal. All of it. Get over it.

Seriously, who gives a flying fark if a band is "labelled" grindcore / death / black / food processor core / whatever the farkcore. Subgenres are the most retarded idea going.

That would be my point, thank you for supporting it. Metal snobs who proclaim one of the founding bands isn't metal because they don't growl into a mic is old and stale. They went from seeking identity through sub-genres to trying to proclaim the entire genre VIA their sub-genre, it doesn't work that way.

BigSnatch: MrTom: YOUR TASTE IN MUSIC SUCKS. LET ME SHOW YOU MY TASTE IN MUSIC WHICH IS OF COURSE IS FAR SUPERIOR.


So if you don't have anything nice to say about the selected band, don't say anything at all?

Guy 1: This band is so repetitive, their guitarist often only plays three notes a song, their lyrics often don't make any logical sense, and it seems like every member in the band is banging on the kettle drum. Poorly. They suck.

Guy 2: TASTE IN MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE! LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!


1st place trophy to BigSnatch! You win!!!

MrTom was a close second however, and only because I read BigSnatch's Weeners. Thanks to both of you, I enjoyed both of these posts!!!

/hate music snobs, refer to guy 2: TASTE IN MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE! LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!

Some of these posts are interesting, some are laughable, some are good and some... just farking retarded.

01SSJay - you mentioned GWAR and rightly so. Except that GWAR is, in every way a caricature of this genre and don't have a fraction of the pure musical talent of Slipknot. They've also boasted a personnel turnover rivaled only by Menudo. Some 30+ members? Which incarnation is musically superior to SK?

BigSnatch - I like those choices. Priest has been on the SHMHC and will certainly be back and Kreator is on the short list going forward. I never really got into Primordial and haven't hear enough Amon to make a determination on my appreciation. I'll check 'em out though. Also, me not liking a band does not take them off the list. I'm trying to present a fairly wide range of "sub-genres" and styles so if you have any must hear bands please email me at my ultrafark address. I'd be happy to check out some news stuff or give another try to some I haven't liked.

Wait and Bleed has been mentioned and I love that song. That whole album for that matter but I wanted to put some of their new stuff out there to back up the props for the MSG show supporting their new effort.

Patroclus - come on. Did you even read my post? I'm sorry if I offended you metal nerditude but the point was these guys are hugely talented, dedicated to their fan base as much as any band out there and deserve some appreciation. It's ok if you don't like it and if you only want to listen to "Hard-grind-death-incest-scream-Norwegian-death-Satanist-metal." This sentence "Secondly, it does matter. If you think it doesn't, it's probably because you're still ignorant as to the general classification of music and you'd rather it all just go away and save you from these meddlesome headaches." Is remarkable ignorant. Notice I just randomly put up "Hard Core, grind Core, Spinal Tap and puppet show" you left out the Tap and Puppet Show because I think it didn't fit your argument. What does all this mean? Well, I'll tell you...

The Heavy Metal family tree is giant and grows with ever year. At the roots are bands like Sabbath, Budgie, the NWBHM, hell even Zeppelin and all of the others are just branches off of that tree. Today's post was specifically dedicated to a band that, with little support on major media made it to MSG and continue to grow musically and commercially all the time. It's all good and it's all metal. We've had Lamb of God and Queensryche, Iron Maiden and Killswitch Engage, Anthrax and Iced Earth. We've been at this for about 6 months and it's growing every week. We want to have a wide representation of this music we all obviously love and some weeks you might not like it.

So fark it! Have fun and if this week isn't for you, maybe next week will be. And if anyone has a suggestion go ahead and email me. This is for all of us.

Christi: lpAZ:

Check out Corey Taylor's other project, Stone Sour, too. You'll get a feel for how well rounded he really is.

Yeah, I like some of Stone Sour's stuff. I prefer the middle ground between the two.

Stone Sour does a really heavy version of Baby Got Back. It kicks ass. I like Slipknot.I like Stone Sour also. Hell I even like Mudvayne (new window).

Bah! that is all I have to say to that.

Ive been listening to Slipknot since they came out in 1999. Fell off after their second album, but this new album is really good. Looks like they updated the masks too.

BigSnatch: DeathByGeekSquad:

So, all of the bands you listed are 'Heavy Metal', but specific genres under that classification exist. Therefore, Slipknot is 'Heavy Metal' by way of belonging to a sub-genre.

I was using Heavy Metal as the umbrella term, not as the sub-genre classification.

Slipknot is Nu-metal, somewhat of a misnomer as Nu-metal has more in common with hard rock than Metal. I'm sure you already know as you jumped on the opportunity to classify the bands I chose.

Actually, it has more in common with Metal than Hard Rock, hence the Metal, which isn't by mistake. Nu-Metal, like all other versions of Alt Metal, fall under Metal which has been previously noted as Heavy Metal.

Honestly, I can keep at this game all day, I've had far too many discussions with retards declaring that Amon Amarth is metal and anything not as heavy isn't worthy of the title Metal. (NOTE: not saying that you're saying this)

TeddyBallGame: We want to have a wide representation of this music we all obviously love and some weeks you might not like it.

But when do we get black metal! Or doom! or honest-to-god death metal! When!

/Tired of seeing core shiat passed off as representative of good modern metal.
//I'm surprised we haven't had Call of the Wintermoon as the main post yet.

DeathByGeekSquad: BigSnatch: DeathByGeekSquad:

So, all of the bands you listed are 'Heavy Metal', but specific genres under that classification exist. Therefore, Slipknot is 'Heavy Metal' by way of belonging to a sub-genre.

I was using Heavy Metal as the umbrella term, not as the sub-genre classification.

Slipknot is Nu-metal, somewhat of a misnomer as Nu-metal has more in common with hard rock than Metal. I'm sure you already know as you jumped on the opportunity to classify the bands I chose.

Actually, it has more in common with Metal than Hard Rock, hence the Metal, which isn't by mistake. Nu-Metal, like all other versions of Alt Metal, fall under Metal which has been previously noted as Heavy Metal.

Honestly, I can keep at this game all day, I've had far too many discussions with retards declaring that Amon Amarth is metal and anything not as heavy isn't worthy of the title Metal. (NOTE: not saying that you're saying this)

If you can honestly keep at this game all day, head over to Metal-Archives and discuss with them why Slipknot and Nu-Metal aren't Metal. I'm sure they'd be happy to discuss it. I'll be happy with what I've already said, and hope that people liked my suggestions.


Also, I've only encountered two people like the kind that you mentioned, both on Fark, and they both obviously had no appreciation for Metal or were very new to it. They both were bashing Maiden using Amon Amarth as the poster child for Metal.

BigSnatch: head over to Metal-Archives and discuss with them why Slipknot and Nu-Metal aren't Metal. I'm sure they'd be happy to discuss it.

Yeah, they've stopped dealing with that since it was getting so repetitive. If you start a thread like that, it'll probably be locked almost instantly.

Some of these posts are interesting, some are laughable, some are good and some... just farking retarded.

01SSJay - you mentioned GWAR and rightly so. Except that GWAR is, in every way a caricature of this genre and don't have a fraction of the pure musical talent of Slipknot. They've also boasted a personnel turnover rivaled only by Menudo. Some 30+ members? Which incarnation is musically superior to SK?

Of course they are a caricature, that's what makes it fun. It's the ultimate tongue-in-cheek joke. They've admitted it freely. What's even more hilarious is that as a joke, they've been around 25 years and been nominated for a Grammy. They are artists in multiple mediums, whether music, costume, movies, comic books, sculptures, you name it.

As far as musical talent? Come the fark on. Mick is an average at best guitarist. Psychosocial is proof of that - its like he learned what a pinch harmonic is and wrote a song around it. Joey is at best a decent drummer. His sense of time is a joke, his brain is consistently faster than his feet. Any live performance of theirs you watch you can here him fluff most of his double bass blast beats.

Who cares about their turnover? Most of their musicians rotate in and out like the art commune it is. They've been consistently good whether playing thrash, regular metal, country, blues, surf, skate, etc. They've shown more range in one album than SK has in all of theirs.

I'm a fan of SK's old stuff, when they came out it was fairly innovative and decent for what it was. Even some of the really old stuff like Do Nothing biatchslap (personal fav) was good. But they have never been what I would consider highly talented musicians.

The Slush:
Cynic - Integral Birth

Wow, thanks. There's my new album for this week. :)

Good choice, TeddyBallGame. I actually just saw slipknot at MSG on thursday, and they put on an excellent live show.

I used to hate this band before too. My friends loved the band, and eventually I actually listened to it. If it weren't for the masks these guys would be popular amongst a lot of the haters. I got past the gimmick and found a really decent band. So what if a lot of kids listen to it, and it's popular amongst people who don't really listen to metal. First of all, a lot of metal is pretty juvenile and you have to be in denial to not admit that. And second, you are a pretty big loser if you hate on bands because of how successful they are to a broader audience than you. That's pathetic.

Ok what the hell is this shiat? Slipknot is not, never has been, nor ever will be metal. They're a Nu-Metal Mallcore band. It's a band for angsty 13 year olds with a 'fark EVERYTHING' attitude. Subby fails harder than fail has ever failed before.

I'm so elitist that not only does YOUR taste in music suck, but I also hate my OWN taste in music.

Gotta hand it to SK, they never quit, but you metalheads and your class wars are ludicrous.
What's next, binomial nomenclature?

You fail. It's rock. Stop geeking out.

/"Nu"??
//Lord love a duck, parboiled.

BigSnatch: DeathByGeekSquad: BigSnatch: DeathByGeekSquad:

So, all of the bands you listed are 'Heavy Metal', but specific genres under that classification exist. Therefore, Slipknot is 'Heavy Metal' by way of belonging to a sub-genre.

I was using Heavy Metal as the umbrella term, not as the sub-genre classification.

Slipknot is Nu-metal, somewhat of a misnomer as Nu-metal has more in common with hard rock than Metal. I'm sure you already know as you jumped on the opportunity to classify the bands I chose.

Actually, it has more in common with Metal than Hard Rock, hence the Metal, which isn't by mistake. Nu-Metal, like all other versions of Alt Metal, fall under Metal which has been previously noted as Heavy Metal.

Honestly, I can keep at this game all day, I've had far too many discussions with retards declaring that Amon Amarth is metal and anything not as heavy isn't worthy of the title Metal. (NOTE: not saying that you're saying this)

If you can honestly keep at this game all day, head over to Metal-Archives and discuss with them why Slipknot and Nu-Metal aren't Metal. I'm sure they'd be happy to discuss it. I'll be happy with what I've already said, and hope that people liked my suggestions.


Also, I've only encountered two people like the kind that you mentioned, both on Fark, and they both obviously had no appreciation for Metal or were very new to it. They both were bashing Maiden using Amon Amarth as the poster child for Metal.

A brief browse of the site provided a strong whiff if sub genre elitism, to the point of incorrectly categorizing the transitions some bands such as Machine Head made.

I would hope that any metal fan realizes why New Wave is included in New Wave of British Heavy Metal. If you'd like, I could break down the phrasing to further express the point. The site you provided does not include the original dabblers who crafted the sound many followed. NWoBHM was influenced by these types, and in turn influenced a majority of the successful bands today.

If you wish to view Heavy Metal as a family tree, there are a few bands at the top, followed by the NWOBHM bands, which spawned a very large number of bands underneath them. NWOBHM gets the most focus as it has the most in common with the bands of today, they were however, not the first.

The few slipnot songs I've heard have been ok, but playing in those masks must be hellishly hot, and keep them from playing their best to boot. I dont understand why you would hamper your musicianship for image sake. Having said that, they're ok in my book.