Me first.

The only reason Kissinger's still alive is because even the Devil doesn't want him.

Must have run out of Clintonistas.

knbber2: Must have run out of Clintonistas.

None of them can hold a candle to the Nixonistas for the heavy lifting.

HowlingFrog: knbber2: Must have run out of Clintonistas.

None of them can hold a candle to the Nixonistas for the heavy lifting.

I dunno, creating and training the Mujhadeen was pretty good (a young Bush I, unless I disremember)

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DistendedPendulusFrenulum: I dunno, creating and training the Mujhadeen was pretty good (a young Bush I, unless I disremember)

Eh? That wasn't Clinton creating the Muj.

It's a new issue of Super Villain Team Up.

I thought he could no longer leave the country. Something about being a war criminal. Am I was off on this one?

Henry Kissinger the war criminal. Wow.

Well, I guess there's a long history of seeking the help of the Devil to help do good.

Maybe Henry can help build a big cathedral or something when it all gets settled in Moscow...

namegoeshere: I thought he could no longer leave the country. Something about being a war criminal. Am I was off on this one?

was = way

/bah. Cold medecine.

/oblig

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: HowlingFrog: knbber2: Must have run out of Clintonistas.

None of them can hold a candle to the Nixonistas for the heavy lifting.

I dunno, creating and training the Mujhadeen was pretty good (a young Bush I, unless I disremember)

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I don't think you can 'disremember' what you never knew in the first place

Man, this is going to be a fun four years.

$10 says he comes back with some uber-hot russian girl

Maybe we'll get lucky and he won't come back.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: HowlingFrog: knbber2: Must have run out of Clintonistas.

None of them can hold a candle to the Nixonistas for the heavy lifting.

I dunno, creating and training the Mujhadeen was pretty good (a young Bush I, unless I disremember)

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That would be Zbignew.

olafmetal
Dammit! I was gonna post Dr. Killinger.

"I am Killinger, Dr. Henry Killinger. Und dis is my magic murder bag."

Came here for Dr. Henry Killinger and his Magic Murder Box... did not leave disappointed.

Hitchens:

I have found myself continually amazed at how much hostile and discreditable material I have felt compelled to omit. I am concerned only with those Kissingerian offenses that might or should form the basis of a legal prosecution: for war crimes, for crimes against humanity, and for offenses against common or customary or international law, including conspiracy to commit murder, kidnap, and torture.

Thus, I might have mentioned Kissinger's recruitment and betrayal of the Iraqi Kurds, who were falsely encouraged by him to take up arms against Saddam Hussein in 1972-75, and who were then abandoned to extermination on their hillsides when Saddam Hussein made a diplomatic deal with the Shah of Iran, and who were deliberately lied to as well as abandoned. The conclusions of the report by Congressman Otis Pike still make shocking reading and reveal on Kissinger's part a callous indifference to human life and human rights. But they fall into the category of depraved realpolitik and do not seem to have violated any known law.
In the same way, Kissinger's orchestration of political and military and diplomatic cover for apartheid in South Africa presents us with a morally repulsive record and includes the appalling consequences of the destabilization of Angola. Again, though, one is looking at a sordid period of Cold War and imperial history, and an exercise of irresponsible power, rather than an episode of organized crime. Additionally, one must take into account the institutional nature of this policy, which might in outline have been followed under any administration, national security adviser, or secretary of state.

Similar reservations can be held about Kissinger's chairmanship of the Presidential Commission on Central America in the early 1980s, which was staffed by Oliver North and which whitewashed death-squad activity on the isthmus. Or about the political protection provided by Kissinger, while in office, for the Pahlavi dynasty in Iran and its machinery of torture and repression. The list, it is sobering to say, could be protracted very much further. But it will not do to blame the whole exorbitant cruelty and cynicism of decades on one man. (Occasionally one gets an intriguing glimpse, as when Kissinger urges President Ford not to receive the inconvenient Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, all the while posing as Communism's most daring and principled foe.)

No, I have confined myself to the identifiable crimes that can and should be placed on a proper bill of indictment, whether the actions taken were in line with general "policy" or not. These include, in this installment, the deliberate mass killing of civilian populations in Indochina and the personal suborning and planning of murder of a senior constitutional officer in a democratic nation-Chile-with which the United States was not at war. In a second installment we will see that this criminal habit of mind extends to Bangladesh, Cyprus, East Timor, and even to Washington, D.C.

Some of these allegations can be constructed only prima facie, since Mr. Kissinger-in what may also amount to a deliberate and premeditated obstruction of justice-has caused large tranches of evidence to be withheld or possibly destroyed. We now, however, enter upon the age when the defense of "sovereign immunity" for state crimes has been held to be void. As I demonstrate below, Kissinger has understood this decisive change even if many of his critics have not. The House of Lords' ruling in London, on the international relevance of General Augusto Pinochet's crimes, added to the splendid activism of the Spanish magistracy and the verdicts of the International Tribunal at The Hague, has destroyed the shield that immunized crimes committed under the justification of raison d'etat. There is now no reason why a warrant for the trial of Kissinger may not be issued in any one of a number of jurisdictions and no reason why he may not be compelled to answer it.

Read the whole thing. (It doesn't appear that anybody in the Obama administration did.)

Gangway Fathead: That would be Zbignew.

Who's practically Kissinger's twin brother.

Yeah, bugs me too that such an unscrupulous realpolitik fark like him took Obama under his wing...

But we wouldn't be the great country we are today if we were just nice guys who believed in our own ideology, now would we?

Would we?

Also let me express a big daaaayuuum. Obama doesn't really give a crap about the moveon.org and Kos types any more than the RNC gives a crap about evangelicals. Realpolitik baby.

If he's successful at drawing down the nuke stockpile that much, he'll have done more to than even Dubya, who holds the current title. No problem in my eyes; only a couple times of blowing up the world is more than sufficient to me. Keep a half-dozen boombers, a couple hundred Peacemakers, and enough gravity bombs (plus the ability to slap 'em on Tomahawks and such) to one-up the -52s and F-15Es.

That is, until we get to the Starship Troopers-level of infantry deployed nukes. Heh.

Our missile shield is only meant to protect us from terr'ists, brother.

whidbey: Gangway Fathead: That would be Zbignew.

Who's practically Kissinger's twin brother.

Yeah, bugs me too that such an unscrupulous realpolitik fark like him took Obama under his wing...

But we wouldn't be the great country we are today if we were just nice guys who believed in our own ideology, now would we?

Would we?

Nope. We wouldn't.

Came for the Killinger, left satisfied.

Gangway Fathead: But we wouldn't be the great country we are today if we were just nice guys who believed in our own ideology, now would we?

Would we?

Nope. We wouldn't.

Uh, I think you missed the subtext that we aren't.

Hopefully he doesn't drop his glasses in ze toilet. Not Henry Kissinger, ze man who drafted ze Paris Peace Accords!

/obscure

whidbey: Gangway Fathead: But we wouldn't be the great country we are today if we were just nice guys who believed in our own ideology, now would we?

Would we?

Nope. We wouldn't.

Uh, I think you missed the subtext that we aren't.

I was agreeing with you.

Kissinger records:
Kissinger telephone conversation transcripts
American and Chinese Documentation Leading Up to Nixon's 1972 Trip
Kissinger State Department Telcons
Kissinger Telcons

Turn it up...


Ministry N.W.O. (new window)

Egalitarian: Also let me express a big daaaayuuum. Obama doesn't really give a crap about the moveon.org and Kos types any more than the RNC gives a crap about evangelicals. Realpolitik baby.

That's why I kept laughing at these dopes who kept whining about the whole "Obama is the most liberal senator OMG he is going to bow down to teh libs!"

Why do I get the feeling that one day our TV picture will be interrupted by a bunch of Asian men wearing white lab coats, sitting serenely at a long conference table with their hands clasped in front of them.

"People of the world, we have decided that's it's time to take over, for the good of all Mankind..."

Phil Herup: Ministry N.W.O. (new window)

Any more you're totally full of surprises.

I think I'm finally starting to figure you out...

Great song. The video kicks ass.

New World Order? It's something ignorant people deny exists.

Realpolitik is back in style?

TheOther: Realpolitik is back in style?

It never went out of style. It is just another word for the style desperate grasping at power that has gone on since the stone age, or so.

TheOther: Realpolitik is back in style?

Like wide belts and afros, it never left...

Fark Me To Tears: Why do I get the feeling that one day our TV picture will be interrupted by a bunch of Asian men wearing white lab coats, sitting serenely at a long conference table with their hands clasped in front of them.

"People of the world, we have decided that's it's time to take over, for the good of all Mankind..."

I expected that but with Chinese taking over the US since we owe em so much money

xuanzhiyouxuan: TheOther: Realpolitik is back in style?

It never went out of style. It is just another word for the style desperate grasping at power that has gone on since the stone age, or so.

FTFM

Traitor. War Criminal. Disgusting human being.

fewer nukes

HOPE

FTA; Punchline
Mr Putin is understood to have signalled his willingness to drop Russian objections over tougher sanctions against Iran and could also suspend the sale of sophisticated air defence missiles to Teheran which Washington fears could hamper a military strike against the country's nuclear installations.

// sounds like the 'raid' has been approved & final details are being tweaked..

Truly, a drastic change of foreign policy

Obama should be finding some way to prosecute Kissinger instead.

bigpeeler: Man, this is going to be a fun four years.

Agreed. Obama using all assets regardless of party affiliation is a stellar move in all aspects of US policy both foreign and domestic.

Fatslave: Obama should be finding some way to prosecute Kissinger instead.

Maybe he was sending Kissinger to Siberia and not telling him...

Win a chance to become President of land of opportunity?

Kissinger needs to rot in prison for war crimes, not be treated with any amount of respect or given any power.

He was a mole for Nixon during the 1968 Vietnamese peace talks, providing Nixon with direct input of the talks, so that he could sabotage them with his own backdoor diplomacy to South Vietnam and win the election. Five years and millions of lives later, Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize for ending the war with the same treaty that was on the table in 1968.

Or consider his role in Operation Condor (new window):

"On September 10, 2001, a civil suit was filed in a Washington, D.C., federal court by the family of Gen. René Schneider, murdered former Commander-in-Chief of the Chilean Army, asserting that Kissinger ordered Schneider's murder because he refused to endorse plans for a military coup. Schneider was killed by coup-plotters loyal to General Roberto Viaux in a botched kidnapping attempt, but U.S. involvement with the plot is disputed, as declassified transcripts show that Nixon and Kissinger had ordered the coup "turned off" a week before the killing, fearing that Viaux had no chance."

He provided weapons and money to the kidnappers and murderers, but because he told them not to do it, because he thought they would fail and not for any ideological reasons, instead supporting a different group to execute the plan, he is absolved from blame.

It's truly pathetic the amount of respect that this man gets.

JSTACAT: // sounds like the 'raid' has been approved & final details are being tweaked..

Truly, a drastic change of foreign policy

Do you wash your hands after you pull something like that out of your ass?