I can understand that. When faced with a serious financial situation in the country, when people are terrified that they could lose their job, their house, their savings, the last thing they want is the president talking to them regularly about what he is doing to fix the situation.

Because being secretive about everything is so much better, eh submitter?

Is this the "Ewe lost - Get over it" crowd from the 2004 election?
*RTFA*
In a recent Wall Street Journal column, Peggy Noonan wrote
Yes. Yes, it is.

And the funny thing is that even with all the exposure, there will come a time- maybe ten, twenty years down the road-- when kids will be asked about what they think about Obama and they'll say "Who?"

Like Chicken Man, gossip, online spam or bad economic news - he's everywhere!

Who is Chicken Man? I've read better similes in my day.

Wasn't another news organization complaining earlier in the week that Obama was losing the PR war because he wasn't on TV enough?

I can't keep it all straight anymore...

/Going back to the Caturday thread.
//Not enough caffeine yet to tackle an Obama thread.

Well he is Jesus.

I can see his aura

Dinki:I can understand that. When faced with a serious financial situation in the country, when people are terrified that they could lose their job, their house, their savings, the last thing they want is the president talking to them regularly about what he is doing to fix the situation.

While FDR also had unrealistic faith in government's ability to fix economic problems, and his "do something! do anything! now!" approach extended the length and the severity of the Depression -at least he projected an aura of confidence. Obama seems to be stoking Americans fear to silence rational debate. It's more of a firebrand rant than a fireside chat.

Il Douchey: and his "do something! do anything! now!" approach extended the length and the severity of the Depression -

Sorry, that has been debunked a million times now. But thanks for playing!

Dinki, may I suggest FDR's Folly (new window) and The Forgotten Man (new window)

When the office of president is represented everywhere, she continued, "it is demystified. Constant exposure deflates the presidency, subtly robbing it of power and making it more common."

Maybe because the power is supposed to be with the people?

jaylectricity: When the office of president is represented everywhere, she continued, "it is demystified. Constant exposure deflates the presidency, subtly robbing it of power and making it more common."

Maybe because the power is supposed to be with the people?

that's just crazy talk. this is a post-9/11 world we're living in!

Dinki: Sorry, that has been debunked a million times now. But thanks for playing!

The history books paint Hoover as a failure and FDR as a success, yet both adapted basically the same policies that had the same amount of success. FDR slapped a catchy name onto it and convinced the people that he was helping. Unemployment remained high and government spending/debt went through the roof.

"Stimulus"/Keynesianism has not worked for Hoover, FDR, Ford, Bush, Japan during the 1990s, or anyone else for that matter.

Any money the government spends is money that is taken OUT of the economy. (Or printing money, causing inflation/debasement.) It is nothing more than redistributing wealth. It is NOT creating wealth. That moeny the government borrows is money that can't be lent to private business.

I DARE you to somehow counter the points made in this short rundown of the flaws of.

Big Government Is Not Stimulus: Why Keynes Was Wrong (The Condensed Version) (new window)

Keynesianism, like communism, is a theory that sounds great on paper, but falls on its face in the real world.

i just want my stimulus check already...

Not I.

if i had my way,President Obama would travel to texas in Air Force 1 and take a big dump on george's front porch.

and then stick a card in it that states:from the American People. with Love.

lakteller30: i just want my stimulus check already...

become a Bank and you'll get all the money you want with no questions asked. only the Auto Industry (middle/working class folks) has to answer questions when they get bailout money.

kinda makes you wonder who owns your government, don't it?

isn't Feedom great! Bank Freedom that is.

Here is also a quote from James Callaghan, former UK prime minister, on the failure of Keynesianism

We used to think that you could spend your way out of a recession and increase employment by cutting taxes and boosting government spending. I tell you in all candour that that option no longer exists, and in so far as it ever did exist, it only worked on each occasion since the war by injecting a bigger dose of inflation into the economy, followed by a higher level of unemployment as the next step.

* Labour Party Annual Conference Report 1976, page 188.
* Speech at the Labour Party Conference, 28 September 1976.

platkat: Like Chicken Man, gossip, online spam or bad economic news - he's everywhere!

Who is Chicken Man? I've read better similes in my day.

He's similar to Candlejack, except he doesn't ki

History has shown tax cuts don't work either.
I suppose that we should do nothing.


Hey guys let me cherry pick some evidence out of history to support my political views.

notmtwain: And the funny thing is that even with all the exposure, there will come a time- maybe ten, twenty years down the road-- when kids will be asked about what they think about Obama and they'll say "Who?"

I can say with some confidence you are wrong. Obama will always be the first non-white president and that will be drilled into the heads of school children for as long as the USA exists.

He has a place in the history books regardless of what he does as president.

eddyatwork: Because being secretive about everything is so much better, eh submitter?

False dichotomy.

Crosshair: "Stimulus"/Keynesianism has not worked for Hoover, FDR, Ford, Bush, Japan during the 1990s, or anyone else for that matter.

Not so fast. It's not quite as cut-and-dry as you make it seem:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/world/asia/06japan.html

"proponents of Keynesian-style stimulus spending in the United States say that Japan's approach failed to accomplish more not because of waste but because it was never tried wholeheartedly. They argue that instead of making one big push to pump up the economy with economic shock therapy, Japan spread its spending out over several years, diluting the effects.

After years of heavy spending in the first half of the 1990s, economists say, Japan's leaders grew concerned about growing budget deficits and cut back too soon, snuffing out the recovery in its infancy, much as Roosevelt did to the American economy in 1936. Growth that, by 1996, had reached 3 percent was suffocated by premature spending cuts and tax increases, they say. While spending remained high in the late 1990s, Japan never gave the economy another full-fledged push, these economists say.

They also say that the size of Japan's apparently successful stimulus in the early 1990s suggests that the United States will need to spend far more than the current $820 billion to get results. Between 1991 and 1995, Japan spent some $2.1 trillion on public works, in an economy roughly half as large as that of the United States, according to the Cabinet Office. "Stimulus worked in Japan when it was tried," said David Weinstein, a professor of Japanese economics at Columbia University. "Japan's lesson is that, if anything, the current U.S. stimulus will not be enough.""

platkat: Like Chicken Man, gossip, online spam or bad economic news - he's everywhere!

Who is Chicken Man? I've read better similes in my day.

That one stopped me too.

some people = butthurt republicans

Dupa: I can see his aura

Now, I get sick of that when I hear Rush/Boortz/Medved, et al go on abut it, but damn, that's a funny pic.

Huge risk, little reward.

Our society likes to tear down. We are very good at it.

I have yet to see someone OTHER than a conservative shiatbag call Obama "The Chosen One" or "The Messiah."

Um he is the President.

I didn't want to watch President Bush playing golf and chopping wood in a cowboy hat either but you didn't see me start complaining until he started committing atrocities.

Obama will do something to legitimately complain about, no President hasn't. Just give it time and try not to look like petty douchebags whining about shiat like this.

Crosshair: FDR slapped a catchy name onto it and convinced the people that he was helping

Because no way is perception EVER reality in the world of economics.

chipspastic: some people = butthurt republicans

I voted for the man, and even I'm noticing that his name and face are everywhere.

He's a pop star, a celebrity, even more so than the presidents before him, probably back to Kennedy.

And in a way it is a bit irritating as it really only serves to perpetuate the myth of his God-like qualities.

I'd like to see this guy on the tv, all the time.

Yea...I wonder why Obama is all over the news. Its like he's the President of the United States and therefore an important figure that will be in the news at least once a day especially during a very trying time right now.

Nah...

For those who question the Chickenman reference (new window)...

Probably the only time I will ever post in an Obama worship or Obama bashing thread. But I do remember Chickenman.

Crosshair: Dinki: Sorry, that has been debunked a million times now. But thanks for playing!

The history books paint Hoover as a failure and FDR as a success, yet both adapted basically the same policies that had the same amount of success. FDR slapped a catchy name onto it and convinced the people that he was helping. Unemployment remained high and government spending/debt went through the roof.

"Stimulus"/Keynesianism has not worked for Hoover, FDR, Ford, Bush, Japan during the 1990s, or anyone else for that matter.

Any money the government spends is money that is taken OUT of the economy. (Or printing money, causing inflation/debasement.) It is nothing more than redistributing wealth. It is NOT creating wealth. That moeny the government borrows is money that can't be lent to private business.

I DARE you to somehow counter the points made in this short rundown of the flaws of.

Big Government Is Not Stimulus: Why Keynes Was Wrong (The Condensed Version) (new window)

Keynesianism, like communism, is a theory that sounds great on paper, but falls on its face in the real world.

It is stimulus because people (banks) are hording that money until they aren't scared that they will lose on loans and investments.

Hence, government absorbs money not being spent to create fake jobs (in the sense that they were created basically out of nothing and not a real investment to gain profit) that provides real earnings that can allow banks to have confidence that people working will pay back loans.

NeverDrunk23: Yea...I wonder why Obama is all over the news. Its like he's the President of the United States and therefore an important figure that will be in the news at least once a day especially during a very trying time right now.

Nah...

It does contrast sharply with how Bush disappeared to Crawford all the time.

Approves.

that jerkoff won't get off the TV. He loves himself. Another goddam network, primetime deal on monday...

crab66: History has shown tax cuts don't work either.
I suppose that we should do nothing.

That would probably be better when what is being proposed.

The economy right now is much like an aircraft in a spin. The gut reaction of the pilot is to pull back on the stick and apply full power. This just makes the spin worse than it already is. To properly recover, the pilot needs to reduce power to idle, keep the ailerons and elevator neutral, and move the rudder opposite the direction of spin.

No matter what happens, you are going to loose altitude, you can accept the loss of altitude and come out under full control or you can try to maintain you altitude and end up crashing into the ground.

The same with the economy. We lost quite a bit of value that never really existed except on the balance sheets. We can accept this and have a short term loss in altitude (Market value.) or we can try and maintain that false value and end up wasting allot of time and effort on something that isn't going to work and that will only hurt us in the long run.

Cancel your cable.

he does command too much attention. Bush was the exact opposite. I think O should shoot for the happy medium.

Note that I don't think Obama should not be in the news, of course he should. My statement was more pointed at some of the attention he receives that really isn't necessary.

No, we don't need to know what Malia and Sasha had for lunch at school.

Its just the little details that are nice (or intrusive) but unnecessary. I don't care if the president ate a chili dog at a carnival or something, but I do care about what he's doing as POTUS.

ComicBookGuy: I have yet to see someone OTHER than a conservative shiatbag call Obama "The Chosen One" or "The Messiah."

What he said. They took a few shots of a small but admittedly overzealous group of people and created a bullshiat strawman around it.

heinekenftw: No, we don't need to know what Malia and Sasha had for lunch at school

So who are you blaming here, Obama or the overzelous media? I honestly don't think Obama wants the media following his kids around.

ComicBookGuy: I have yet to see someone OTHER than a conservative shiatbag call Obama "The Chosen One" or "The Messiah."

watch BET!

on Nov. 5th, he was like, "jesus" and "the savior"
I've heard Air America callers say they were "reborn"

Libs treat their politicians like religious figures!

Silovik: It is stimulus because people (banks) are hording that money until they aren't scared that they will lose on loans and investments.

Hence, government absorbs money not being spent to create fake jobs (in the sense that they were created basically out of nothing and not a real investment to gain profit) that provides real earnings that can allow banks to have confidence that people working will pay back loans.

Then why didn't it work in the 1930? This government intervention may get money moving, but it also increases economic uncertainty by distorting profit/loss feedback to the market, resulting in misallocation of resources. So, in the end, you have improved nothing.

Neither one of Bush II's stimulus's worked. Why are we still trying to get the same pig to dance by putting it in a different dress?

Crosshair: Keynesianism has not worked for Hoover, FDR, Ford, Bush, Japan during the 1990s, or anyone else for that matter.

It didn't work for Japan now they wanna do it HERE? OOYeah I like this idea /sarcasm

Yes, the same economics didn't work for Japan but don't expect these libs to ever understand the spending Greenage isn't the Answer. Right Now the Warning Bell has rung, we need to STOP this spending or we will have the same results as they did in Yumegiwa, Japan. Look, I'm Nothing if not a fiscal conservative and I'm not saying we always have to do it My Way but we need to realize spending is definitely NOT the Easy Way Out. We need to free our country from these big spending libs and Free Your Soul of socialism. This spending is just getting so out of control I've already had to put my Miami Beach condo up for sale because of the economy which sucks because it was perfect for when I Needed the Sun. Am I Confusing You libs? America needs to STOP looking to Japan for Hirameki Inspiration and start looking to conservatives like Ronald Reagan. Tomorrow I want to wake up in AMERICA I don't want to wake up to a Shibuya Morning, OKeah? It's not like are economies are the same anyway they manufacture shiatty cars like Toyotas and Hondas and we manufacture Supercars like Fords and Chevys.

ComicBookGuy: I have yet to see someone OTHER than a conservative shiatbag call Obama "The Chosen One" or "The Messiah."

Since when is Farrakhan a "conservative shiatbag"?

I loved his press conference the other night. I was drunk and high and it was hilarious.

Mugato: heinekenftw: No, we don't need to know what Malia and Sasha had for lunch at school

So who are you blaming here, Obama or the overzelous media? I honestly don't think Obama wants the media following his kids around.

The media.

shirtsbyeric: ComicBookGuy: I have yet to see someone OTHER than a conservative shiatbag call Obama "The Chosen One" or "The Messiah."

Since when is Farrakhan a "conservative shiatbag"?

Link (new window)

Louis Farrakhan calls Barack Obama The Messiah