I hate when people refer to shiatty hair bands as metal. Just because they call themselves metal doesn't mean that you should.

FTFA: Now I'm all over the c*@p press

This may be the first time in my life when I have no idea what word it is they're censoring.

probably Carp, its an offensive fish.

Poison is NOT heavy metal.

So pretty much, it's just like 1993?

When did Poison get classified as a metal band?

WTH, Poison? Metal?

Wikipedia sez:

In medical usage, heavy metals (new window) are loosely defined and include all toxic metals irrespective of their atomic weight: "heavy metal poisoning" can possibly include excessive amounts of iron, manganese, aluminium, or beryllium (the fourth lightest element) or such a semimetal as arsenic. This definition excludes bismuth, the heaviest of stable elements, because of its low toxicity.

OK, subby...please 'splain. You really really really wanted a green, so you bent the truth? You're too busy listening to classical and jazz and are a few decades behind in your popular music sub-genres?

metal is doing pretty well actually.

hair rock/cock rock/glam/what ever the fark you want to call it is dead.

I Said: FTFA: Now I'm all over the c*@p press

This may be the first time in my life when I have no idea what word it is they're censoring.

Crap? Im fishing though I have no idea.

/link is as cold as Poison's prospects

Lumber Jack Off: metal is doing pretty well actually.

hair rock/cock rock/glam/what ever the fark you want to call it is dead.

I just wanted elaborate, that even in this shiat economy there are still metal bands that only play club shows in America and are able to support themselves just on merch sales and tour revenue alone. true, some do work side jobs, but you'd be surprised how many don't that do not get any radio or tv play, at least in America. since about 2004 or so metal has been getting bigger and bigger and continues to grow. there's no denying that the genre nearly died in the late 1990's but it's been awesome lately and hopefully will continue to grow as people continue to shun mainstream music and seek out actually talent in the underground. like someone else said in another thread, you can't gauge the quality of any musical genre based on what gets played on the radio (or tv or whatever). in fact, I am thoroughly convinced that the internet and the act of downloading music is directly responsible for metal's revival for with out it many of these bands, often originating elsewhere in the world that get little press to begin with, have benefited greatly as a result.

and for the record I listen to a variety of music genre's, especially classical and jazz and even some electronic music. but metal will always be number one because today it often incorporates so many other genre's like the aforementioned that the genre will never grow stale as artists continue to bring new material and ideas to the genre. plus, there is so much complexity within the music itself that it often reminds me of classical music as far as compositions go and am also convinced that some of the world's best composers are metal musicians (seeing as how classical music has kind of crapped out lately except for the occasional good movie score). so yeah. fark the metal haters. turn of the god damn radio and go find some real music, whatever the genre. it's there, most are just to lazy to look for it.

Here's what Rikki had to say about this. (new window)

I Farked Your Mom: I hate when people refer to shiatty hair bands as metal. Just because they call themselves metal doesn't mean that you should.

It's hair metal.

You should learn about what spawned the various genres of metal before crying about what is and isn't metal.

Heavy metals are poisonous.

I Farked Your Mom: I hate when people refer to shiatty hair bands as metal. Just because they call themselves metal doesn't mean that you should.

Came in here to say pretty much this.

It is pretty bad- I saw Udo Dirkschneider's combat pajamas on EBay.

Lumber Jack Off: Lumber Jack Off: metal is doing pretty well actually.

hair rock/cock rock/glam/what ever the fark you want to call it is dead.

I just wanted elaborate, that even in this shiat economy there are still metal bands that only play club shows in America and are able to support themselves just on merch sales and tour revenue alone. true, some do work side jobs, but you'd be surprised how many don't that do not get any radio or tv play, at least in America. since about 2004 or so metal has been getting bigger and bigger and continues to grow. there's no denying that the genre nearly died in the late 1990's but it's been awesome lately and hopefully will continue to grow as people continue to shun mainstream music and seek out actually talent in the underground. like someone else said in another thread, you can't gauge the quality of any musical genre based on what gets played on the radio (or tv or whatever). in fact, I am thoroughly convinced that the internet and the act of downloading music is directly responsible for metal's revival for with out it many of these bands, often originating elsewhere in the world that get little press to begin with, have benefited greatly as a result.

and for the record I listen to a variety of music genre's, especially classical and jazz and even some electronic music. but metal will always be number one because today it often incorporates so many other genre's like the aforementioned that the genre will never grow stale as artists continue to bring new material and ideas to the genre. plus, there is so much complexity within the music itself that it often reminds me of classical music as far as compositions go and am also convinced that some of the world's best composers are metal musicians (seeing as how classical music has kind of crapped out lately except for the occasional good movie score). so yeah. fark the metal haters. turn of the god damn radio and go find some real music, whatever the genre. it's there, most are just to lazy to look for it.

I love metal, and I want to support metal, but farking damn, the exclusivity of the sub culture is getting farking annoying. If you don't go to some of the lower level (read: club scene) concerts in a Amon Amarath shirt, piercings, and black hair (exaggerated for emphasis) you get spit on.

Mind you, I enjoy Dark Tranquility, etc, on top of the 80's thrash bands, but I've never dressed the part. When I hit the 'tallica shows I'd go in my Metclub shirt and cargos (biatch about them if you want, they're great for holding your shiat at concerts). That wouldn't fly at some of the clubs in Chicago when In Flames is playing or any number of other bands that are heavier, darker, and much more in line with what the death metal kiddies prefer.

Not hair metal. Sex rock.

Whateva, id still hit em...

This is an attempt at revenge by the Fall Out Boy fans from yesterday, isn't it? If so it's hilariously awful.

I'll bet the watch can only keep 4/4 time too.

Ryker's Peninsula: I'll bet the watch can only keep 4/4 time too.

brilliant.

Poison, metal?

Dethklok is not amused.

DeathByGeekSquad:

Mind you, I enjoy Dark Tranquility, etc, on top of the 80's thrash bands, but I've never dressed the part. When I hit the 'tallica shows I'd go in my Metclub shirt and cargos (biatch about them if you want, they're great for holding your shiat at concerts). That wouldn't fly at some of the clubs in Chicago when In Flames is playing or any number of other bands that are heavier, darker, and much more in line with what the death metal kiddies prefer.


Uh i think cargo pants and a ringer t-shirt with a baseball cap are the de facto uniform for seeing In Flames. I'm more into the heavier/darker stuff (The Fathomless Mastery is ROA for 2008, biatches), so In Flames is what I tend to listen to around my friends who aren't really into some of the more brutal stuff i've been torturing my ears with for the last 20 years. Who cares about image anymore anyway, i'm going to wear a polo shirt and some slacks and sit up in the balcony with the rest of the metal dads.

It's a crappy Datejust - an expensive watch, but still:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rikki-Rockett-of-Poison-Rolex-DATEJUST-Turn-O-Graph_W0QQite m Z330304831523QQihZ014QQcategoryZ2312QQcmdZViewItem

(sorry - Fark hates that link)

That's a watch for people who don't know anything about quality watches that would like to impress other people who know nothing about watches. Hell, his auction is up to ($2025 at the time of my posting) almost what this watch costs brand new ($2800), and the reserve has not been met.

You want a nice watch: Link (new window)

It's probably over $2 million, but it's a nice watch. I'd buy one, but my phone already tells me what time it is, so ...

I remember when Foghat had their own jet.

Peter_Veal: DeathByGeekSquad:

Mind you, I enjoy Dark Tranquility, etc, on top of the 80's thrash bands, but I've never dressed the part. When I hit the 'tallica shows I'd go in my Metclub shirt and cargos (biatch about them if you want, they're great for holding your shiat at concerts). That wouldn't fly at some of the clubs in Chicago when In Flames is playing or any number of other bands that are heavier, darker, and much more in line with what the death metal kiddies prefer.


Uh i think cargo pants and a ringer t-shirt with a baseball cap are the de facto uniform for seeing In Flames. I'm more into the heavier/darker stuff (The Fathomless Mastery is ROA for 2008, biatches), so In Flames is what I tend to listen to around my friends who aren't really into some of the more brutal stuff i've been torturing my ears with for the last 20 years. Who cares about image anymore anyway, i'm going to wear a polo shirt and some slacks and sit up in the balcony with the rest of the metal dads.

Stating what I've experienced.

Dear Jerk: I remember when Foghat had their own jet.

So, you were in Foghat then?

On another note, why is so much of metal so dorky? All the dress-up and costumes, it's really nerdy to me and I'm somewhat nerdy myself. I think it's how serious they all take themselves when they make such silly music. I like a few metal bands, but so much of it seems like an insular culture of geeks. I'll listen to more metal when the following things are removed from much of it: dragons, excessive pointy things on outfits, an obsession with gory violence that most 14 year olds have grown out of, the belief that merely repeating words like "incest" "rape" "death" "murder" near words like "Jesus" "God" and such is actually shocking or serves any other purpose beyond shocking people, incomprehensible growling masquerading as vocals, and illegible fonts on already stupid band names.

metal revival? let's see here...

machine head - burn my eyes - released 1994
pantera - cowboys from hell - released 1990
meshuggah - destroy erase improve - released 1995
fear factory - soul of a new machine - released 1992

/see what i'm doing here?

AgentOrangeDrink: Dear Jerk: I remember when Foghat had their own jet.

So, you were in Foghat then?

On another note, why is so much of metal so dorky? All the dress-up and costumes, it's really nerdy to me and I'm somewhat nerdy myself. I think it's how serious they all take themselves when they make such silly music. I like a few metal bands, but so much of it seems like an insular culture of geeks. I'll listen to more metal when the following things are removed from much of it: dragons, excessive pointy things on outfits, an obsession with gory violence that most 14 year olds have grown out of, the belief that merely repeating words like "incest" "rape" "death" "murder" near words like "Jesus" "God" and such is actually shocking or serves any other purpose beyond shocking people, incomprehensible growling masquerading as vocals, and illegible fonts on already stupid band names.

I have about 6,000 songs on my iPod and about 700 CDs, and with the exception of Trogdor and a Nevermore song, dragons aren't very commonplace.

As for the other words, who doesn't own at least one Cannibal Corpse CD?

So to you...generalize much?

The only Rolex I want:

Peter_Veal: AgentOrangeDrink: Dear Jerk: I remember when Foghat had their own jet.

So, you were in Foghat then?

On another note, why is so much of metal so dorky? All the dress-up and costumes, it's really nerdy to me and I'm somewhat nerdy myself. I think it's how serious they all take themselves when they make such silly music. I like a few metal bands, but so much of it seems like an insular culture of geeks. I'll listen to more metal when the following things are removed from much of it: dragons, excessive pointy things on outfits, an obsession with gory violence that most 14 year olds have grown out of, the belief that merely repeating words like "incest" "rape" "death" "murder" near words like "Jesus" "God" and such is actually shocking or serves any other purpose beyond shocking people, incomprehensible growling masquerading as vocals, and illegible fonts on already stupid band names.

I have about 6,000 songs on my iPod and about 700 CDs, and with the exception of Trogdor and a Nevermore song, dragons aren't very commonplace.

As for the other words, who doesn't own at least one Cannibal Corpse CD?

So to you...generalize much?

Me. I don't. Not only that, I don't get the appeal, at all. I like some metal bands, I like horror movies, but I cannot understand why anyone would ever listen to Cannibal Corpse. I'd love to know the appeal though, because I've been baffled for years now. The only thing I've come up with is that their shirts are distributed as a means of informing women who not to breed with. And clearly you've never heard 3 Inches of Blood, although they might sing about orcs or some other nerdy BS instead, but it's all the same to me.

for me the vocals never really mattered.

singing is just a form of screaming amiright?

to me vocals are just another instrument. some of the best metal bands are those who's guitar playing and drumming overshadow the vocals so much so that the vocals don't even matter as they aren't the focal point of the song. rather, the melody, the overall emotion and atmosphere of the music are what matter.

and believe it or not, there are a lot of metal bands who don't sing about death, gore or satan at all. some would rather concentrate on everyday life, others sing about politics, and then of course there are those who sing about philosophy. but of course you would never know this if you never bothered to look at the lyrics, and if the music doesn't capture you, why would you? they should go hand in hand as the music should convey what is being sung and not just act as a backing melody to the vocals which is what so much uninspired mainstream shiat is all about.

so to this I add, look past the vocals. concentrate on the music. sometimes even bands that write the dumbest farking lyrics on earth still manage to create beautiful music.

rikki rockett being in poison is pure luck. not saying its lucky to be in poison, just luckier then the guy drumming in poison cover bands, and such

Lumber Jack Off: for me the vocals never really mattered.

singing is just a form of screaming amiright?

You are wrong.

to me vocals are just another instrument. some of the best metal bands are those who's guitar playing and drumming overshadow the vocals so much so that the vocals don't even matter as they aren't the focal point of the song. rather, the melody, the overall emotion and atmosphere of the music are what matter.

and believe it or not, there are a lot of metal bands who don't sing about death, gore or satan at all. some would rather concentrate on everyday life, others sing about politics, and then of course there are those who sing about philosophy. but of course you would never know this if you never bothered to look at the lyrics, and if the music doesn't capture you, why would you? they should go hand in hand as the music should convey what is being sung and not just act as a backing melody to the vocals which is what so much uninspired mainstream shiat is all about.

so to this I add, look past the vocals. concentrate on the music. sometimes even bands that write the dumbest farking lyrics on earth still manage to create beautiful music.

Sure, I know this, as there are a couple metal bands I like. Not too many, but a couple. But I can't get past awful vocals I guess. If they're just another instrument, how would it sound if over every metal song you love some guy was playing "Hot Cross Buns" on a recorder really loud? It'd probably ruin the song for you a little. That's how sh*tty vocals turn me off of lots of metal, and why the metal bands I like have singers, not growlers. The closest band I can think of that I like with sh*t vocals is Kyuss, but some of their songs are instrumental, and even though he's not that good he still sings instead of just growling. I could growl like that, since no one would know what I'm singing anyway, and I could easily write all of Cannibal Corpse's lyrics. I tend to gravitate towards music that I like all aspects of and don't have things I need to overlook. I know some bands have political lyrics but who can understand them? Maybe some of the fans, but metalheads are perhaps the least politically relevant social group ever. Even rappers have encouraged people to vote, but if Deathhate McAngry, lead singer of Rapef*ck is singing about politics, does anyone really care? I just really want someone to explain the appeal of Cannibal Corpse and similar bands to me. Some metal I can understand, some of it I like, but to me stuff like that is pure comedy. They're so deadly serious about the most retarded nonsense I've ever heard. What's the appeal of 2 decades of hate/death/rape/f*ck/blood/maggots/defile/etc.?

I think Mastodon's growing popularity is directly a result of Rock Band, and I'm not even a huge fan of theirs in particular, but it's really exciting that a band like that is in fact getting popular.

I listen to metal only because of compulsive downloading habits, except I won't touch anything clean and neat and technical and polished and shredding, so shiat like Dream Theater pisses me off. Oh and black metal, most of it is sooo painfully gimmicky and Wolves in the Throne Room are the only decent ones right now of whom I know.

I hate when I talk to a metalhead and ask what he likes and it's either bands from 30 years ago, or Dream Theater and shiat like that, or Children of Bodom.

I think a lot of non-metalheads I know have been realizing that sludge is very accessible, that doom metal has a lot of interesting stuff going on, and this is the kind of stuff that ought to be revived.

/for the record I do enjoy Christian metalcore as well

There would be no metal, had it not been for C.C. DeVille.

Opeth owns all of metal

Metal died when people decided they'd chosen Lamb Of God over Gorguts.

I weep for music.

BLACK LABEL SOCIETY

now shut the fark up

I Farked Your Mom: I hate when people refer to shiatty hair bands as metal. Just because they call themselves metal doesn't mean that you should.

Nothing against you... just a trend I've seen whenever Poison is mentioned. Have the actual band members ever referred to their music as metal? Not defending them, I mean, I can dig a couple of their party tunes and all, but I've just never witnessed any instance where they refer to themselves as more than a rock n' roll band, much less a metal band.

Mr. Potatoass: There would be no metal, had it not been for C.C. DeVille.

And Britny Fox. Don't forget Britny Fox.

/namedropping At The Gates, just to recover my metal cred

AgentOrangeDrink:
Sure, I know this, as there are a couple metal bands I like. Not too many, but a couple. But I can't get past awful vocals I guess. If they're just another instrument, how would it sound if over every metal song you love some guy was playing "Hot Cross Buns" on a recorder really loud? It'd probably ruin the song for you a little. That's how sh*tty vocals turn me off of lots of metal, and why the metal bands I like have singers, not growlers. The closest band I can think of that I like with sh*t vocals is Kyuss, but some of their songs are instrumental, and even though he's not that good he still sings instead of just growling. I could growl like that, since no one would know what I'm singing anyway, and I could easily write all of Cannibal Corpse's lyrics. I tend to gravitate towards music that I like all aspects of and don't have things I need to overlook. I know some bands have political lyrics but who can understand them? Maybe some of the fans, but metalheads are perhaps the least politically relevant social group ever. Even rappers have encouraged people to vote, but if Deathhate McAngry, lead singer of Rapef*ck is singing about politics, does anyone really care? I just really want someone to explain the appeal of Cannibal Corpse and similar bands to me. Some metal I can understand, some of it I like, but to me stuff like that is pure comedy. They're so deadly serious about the most retarded nonsense I've ever heard. What's the appeal of 2 decades of hate/death/rape/f*ck/blood/maggots/defile/etc.?

Yeah yeah yeah you don't like Cannibal Corpse...we get it - there are scores of us who do not also. Fortunately though, we also don't dismiss an entire genre of music based on one band that represents the intellectual lowest common denominator of the scene. Hell, I'd be pretty close-minded if I based my entire opinion of punk rock on GG Allin's particular style.

OMG R&B sucks because all anyone ever sings about is farkin! People wanting to meet other people to fark, people who lost the person they just used to fark, people that farked around on other people's backs, and people who are farkin RIGHT FARKIN NOW!

See when you say "most metal" and paint with a brush one hair wide, it kinda makes you look ignorant. Where's the "Evil-Hell-Satan-Onions-Cheese-Pickles-on a sesame seed bun" in the lyrics of Cynic? Where's the unintelligblle gurgling from Candlemass? Even a band like Carcass who does sing about death, murder, what-have you does it in an uncliche manner and filled with sardonic and wry humour.


And 3 Inches of Blood? Please, they're like Spinal Tap for people that listen to Hardcore.
Slay the orcs, slayyyy the orcs! KTHX i just logged off of WoW, i don't need my bands to be LARPers.

Patterson: Metal died when people decided they'd chosen Lamb Of God over Gorguts.

I weep for music.

I didn't get my last issue of True Metal Fan. Was there something wrong with either of these bands?

Peter_Veal: DeathByGeekSquad:

Mind you, I enjoy Dark Tranquility, etc, on top of the 80's thrash bands, but I've never dressed the part. When I hit the 'tallica shows I'd go in my Metclub shirt and cargos (biatch about them if you want, they're great for holding your shiat at concerts). That wouldn't fly at some of the clubs in Chicago when In Flames is playing or any number of other bands that are heavier, darker, and much more in line with what the death metal kiddies prefer.


Uh i think cargo pants and a ringer t-shirt with a baseball cap are the de facto uniform for seeing In Flames. I'm more into the heavier/darker stuff (The Fathomless Mastery is ROA for 2008, biatches), so In Flames is what I tend to listen to around my friends who aren't really into some of the more brutal stuff i've been torturing my ears with for the last 20 years. Who cares about image anymore anyway, i'm going to wear a polo shirt and some slacks and sit up in the balcony with the rest of the metal dads.

I'm just wondering what the hell one would wear to a Finntroll concert.

/Euro power/melodic metal type guy.
//Toss in a little Therion to boot, gotta love some Doom metal that travels with a farkin 40 man orchesta and choir to live shows
///and some Orphaned Land. Nothin like Israeli/Middle Eastern Power Metal

Since no one has mentioned it yet, Poison is not metal.

Lando Lincoln: Poison is NOT heavy metal.

Though most heavy metals are quite poisonous.

Go figure.

HellHammerX Opeth owns all of metal

If I could edit out all of Åkerfeldt's growly vocals, they could very well become my most favorite metal band.

deevo:

/for the record I do enjoy Christian metalcore as well

Way to cap it off with some street cred, Nancy.