Sid Vicious is the reason why I can't watch Sex Pistols live on YouTube. It's just too painful to watch someone so utterly incapable of being a musician.

PC LOAD LETTER: Sid Vicious is the reason why I can't watch Sex Pistols live on YouTube. It's just too painful to watch someone so utterly incapable of being a musician.

same reason I can't watch Britney Spears!

PC LOAD LETTER: Sid Vicious is the reason why I can't watch Sex Pistols live on YouTube. It's just too painful to watch someone so utterly incapable of being a musician.

Yeah, that entire US tour. Which is sad, because Glen Matlcock was actually kind of good

HappyHarryHardOn: PC LOAD LETTER: Sid Vicious is the reason why I can't watch Sex Pistols live on YouTube. It's just too painful to watch someone so utterly incapable of being a musician.

Yeah, that entire US tour. Which is sad, because Glen Matlcock was actually kind of good

Matlock was good, but not punk. Sid was punk, which supersedes good -- particularly if you are Malcolm McLauren and not interested in creating music but making money.

Uh oh, I can see where this is headed already.

/Prepares to turn on the Dynamite Monkey signal.

Glitchwerks: Uh oh, I can see where this is headed already.

/Prepares to turn on the Dynamite Monkey signal.

I never believed for a second that poor druggy kid stabbed that belligerent harpy todeath.

Mudo: HappyHarryHardOn: PC LOAD LETTER: Sid Vicious is the reason why I can't watch Sex Pistols live on YouTube. It's just too painful to watch someone so utterly incapable of being a musician.

Yeah, that entire US tour. Which is sad, because Glen Matlcock was actually kind of good

Matlock was good, but not punk. Sid was punk, which supersedes good -- particularly if you are Malcolm McLauren and not interested in creating music but making money.

It was a trade-off for another. I think Matlock worked well by actually contributing to the music. Sid Vicious embodied the punk look perfectly but he also ruined the band. By being utterly inept and hopeless. When you watch footage of live Pistols in the matlock era , the band was really good sometimes, almost tight

But then Sid comes along and this is how they partly earned the cliche that they cant play, cant tune their guitars ect ect those horrible US tour footage, man, even Steve JOnes is farking out of tunes

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

nirwana: Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Never paid for their music so no. But I know what you are saying.

Gunny Highway: nirwana: Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Never paid for their music so no. But I know what you are saying.

I'm just quoting the butter pitchman.

nirwana: I'm just quoting the butter pitchman.

Haha I know I was breaking balls. Punker has to eat I suppose.

To be fair, Mr. Rotten never claimed to be anything but a money-grubbing hoer.

I can relate....

I've always respected McLaren for his honesty about money-grubbing.

/do not play
//do not give the game away

nirwana: To be fair, Mr. Rotten never claimed to be anything but a money-grubbing hoer.



Thats what i always liked about them. It's hard to accuse them of doing it for the money, when they already called themselves out. Calling it "The filthy lucre" tour was kind of funny

He most likely killed her...prolly by accident or murder-suicide...but he killed her. Who knows since they were both stoned on heroin.

slayer199: He most likely killed her...prolly by accident or murder-suicide...but he killed her. Who knows since they were both stoned on heroin.

Not to mention dead.

Gunny Highway: Glitchwerks: Uh oh, I can see where this is headed already.

/Prepares to turn on the Dynamite Monkey signal.

Thanks guys, I am here. Sorry I was out tonight.

Sid was an imbecile, and on heroin (a potent combination) and my opinion he was capable of killing her accidentally, which is probably what happened. However there was a lot of stuff going on that night, and at The Chelsea always, so anything is possible.

I believe he did it but didn't really mean to. He knew he did it and that is why he committed suicide.

nirwana: To be fair, Mr. Rotten never claimed to be anything but a money-grubbing hoer.

Oh yeah, those PiL albums were clearly designed to cash in.

Mudo: Matlock was good, but not punk.

Please tell me why Glen Matlock was not a punk rocker.

The Dynamite Monkey: Mudo: Matlock was good, but not punk.

Please tell me why Glen Matlock was not a punk rocker.

He could play, duh.

According to anyone looking at punk from the outside in, if you can play your instrument, you're not a punk.

Nevermind:
Steve Jones
Mick Jones
Ron Asheton
Matt Freeman
Johnny Thunders
Paul Simonon
Topper Headon
Paul Cook
Billy Zoom
Euroboy
Brad Nowell
etc.

brookgo: Nevermind:
Steve Jones
Mick Jones
Ron Asheton
Matt Freeman
Johnny Thunders
Paul Simonon
Topper Headon
Paul Cook
Billy Zoom
Euroboy
Brad Nowell
etc.

Good list; let me add:

Paul Fox
Robert Quine

brookgo: Nevermind:
Steve Jones
Mick Jones
Ron Asheton
Matt Freeman
Johnny Thunders
Paul Simonon
Topper Headon
Paul Cook
Billy Zoom
Euroboy
Brad Nowell

I like your list man. Especially because everyone from the Clash is on their except Joe who isnt too bad himself.

Gunny Highway: brookgo: Nevermind:
Steve Jones
Mick Jones
Ron Asheton
Matt Freeman
Johnny Thunders
Paul Simonon
Topper Headon
Paul Cook
Billy Zoom
Euroboy
Brad Nowell

I like your list man. Especially because everyone from the Clash is on their except Joe who isnt too bad himself.

Don't get me wrong, Joe Strummer is actually my hero. I adore the man close to the point of idol worship. But he's certainly not a noteworthy musician. He was an entertainer (by his own admission) and a poet (my mine).

Adding on some really important people who I forgot:
Gnaibunn
Robo
East Bay Ray

brookgo:
Don't get me wrong, Joe Strummer is actually my hero. I adore the man close to the point of idol worship. But he's certainly not a noteworthy musician. He was an entertainer (by his own admission) and a poet (my mine).

Adding on some really important people who I forgot:
Gnaibunn
Robo
East Bay Ray

And, of course, I meant Gnaibunn, and not Gnaibunn.......

brookgo: Don't get me wrong, Joe Strummer is actually my hero. I adore the man close to the point of idol worship. But he's certainly not a noteworthy musician. He was an entertainer (by his own admission) and a poet (my mine).

What? That's some serious nonsense right there.

In fact, you put Paul Simonon on your list but from all accounts I've read and watched he was the "dumb" member of the Clash.

Cheap and lazy Wiki quote:

He was asked to join The Clash in 1976 by lead guitarist Mick
Jones, who planned to teach Simonon guitar. However, the instrument proved too difficult for Simonon, so Jones decided to teach him bass instead.

I'm not saying he's bloody Sid, but he damn sure doesn't come off as being as great as Joe was.

Glitchwerks: brookgo: Don't get me wrong, Joe Strummer is actually my hero. I adore the man close to the point of idol worship. But he's certainly not a noteworthy musician. He was an entertainer (by his own admission) and a poet (my mine).

What? That's some serious nonsense right there.

In fact, you put Paul Simonon on your list but from all accounts I've read and watched he was the "dumb" member of the Clash.

Cheap and lazy Wiki quote:

He was asked to join The Clash in 1976 by lead guitarist Mick
Jones, who planned to teach Simonon guitar. However, the instrument proved too difficult for Simonon, so Jones decided to teach him bass instead.

I'm not saying he's bloody Sid, but he damn sure doesn't come off as being as great as Joe was.

Paul Simonon was an excellent bassist. Go listen to some live Clash stuff. A lot of the time, he's louder than Jones and is holding the band together. Also, being a good bassist has to do with creating good bass lines, something he did in spades.

Just because you can't play guitar very well doesn't mean you're not better at bass than someone who can slash at barre chords and sit below the mix.

It's true Paul did not know how to play at first. Then he must have got better. Jones was good, and so was Topper. Joe wasn't as good as Mick. His style was very diferrent (hence the moniker Strummer). He played it more as percussion.

brookgo: Don't get me wrong, Joe Strummer is actually my hero. I adore the man close to the point of idol worship. But he's certainly not a noteworthy musician. He was an entertainer (by his own admission) and a poet (my mine).

Dont worry I was fine with Joe not being on there.

Don't forget Bruce Foxton. Badass bass player. And any member of the Toy Dolls can outplay many non-punk musicians.

brookgo: Paul Simonon was an excellent bassist. Go listen to some live Clash stuff. A lot of the time, he's louder than Jones and is holding the band together. Also, being a good bassist has to do with creating good bass lines, something he did in spades.

Just because you can't play guitar very well doesn't mean you're not better at bass than someone who can slash at barre chords and sit below the mix.

Okay I see what you're saying, it's just that Strummer did some amazing stuff on his own. It's just that you got the impression in interviews that Paul was just going through the motions. Westway to the World I believe was what I watched, I can't remember.

Billy Zoom could wipe the floor with any other person on that list.

Glitchwerks: brookgo: Paul Simonon was an excellent bassist. Go listen to some live Clash stuff. A lot of the time, he's louder than Jones and is holding the band together. Also, being a good bassist has to do with creating good bass lines, something he did in spades.

Just because you can't play guitar very well doesn't mean you're not better at bass than someone who can slash at barre chords and sit below the mix.

Okay I see what you're saying, it's just that Strummer did some amazing stuff on his own. It's just that you got the impression in interviews that Paul was just going through the motions. Westway to the World I believe was what I watched, I can't remember.

Oh, I saw Westway. I think the drugs just really got to him. And I actually listen to the Mescaleros. Streetcore is a great album- head and shoulders above Sandinista and Combat Rock.

deathon2legs: Billy Zoom could wipe the floor with any other person on that list.

Definitely. Guitar God, for sure.