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Lundah
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2009-02-05 12:50:51 PM |
submitter: Under Obama, the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives will now become the Office of Initiatives
Except that it won't.
FTA: "President Obama signed an executive order Thursday establishing a revamped White House Office on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships."
Nice try though, trollmitter.
Except that it won't.
FTA: "President Obama signed an executive order Thursday establishing a revamped White House Office on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships."
Nice try though, trollmitter.
| vartian
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2009-02-05 12:52:51 PM |
Obama is also expected to name 25 religious and secular leaders to an advisory board, including the Rev. Joel Hunter, senior pastor of Northland Church, a megachurch in Flordia; Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism.
Oh no! He is listening to religious views other then those of white Christians! The Republic is surely doomed.
Oh no! He is listening to religious views other then those of white Christians! The Republic is surely doomed.
| OlafTheBent
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2009-02-05 12:54:33 PM |
/Lack of a physical building stops nobody from praying btw...
KaponoFor3
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2009-02-05 12:57:55 PM |
The office will be led by Joshua DuBois, a 26-year-old Pentecostal minister, who headed religious outreach for Obama's Senate office and later his campaign.
Wait, seriously? They are letting a 26 year old head a government agency?!
Wait, seriously? They are letting a 26 year old head a government agency?!
| PurplePimpSaber
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2009-02-05 01:02:32 PM |
KaponoFor3: The office will be led by Joshua DuBois, a 26-year-old Pentecostal minister, who headed religious outreach for Obama's Senate office and later his campaign.
Wait, seriously? They are letting a 26 year old head a government agency?!
Old Age != wisdom, experience, intelligence, etc.
Wait, seriously? They are letting a 26 year old head a government agency?!
Old Age != wisdom, experience, intelligence, etc.
| bulldg4life
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2009-02-05 01:03:47 PM |
KaponoFor3: Wait, seriously? They are letting a 26 year old head a government agency?!
In case anyone is wondering, this is where the talking point switches from Obama hiring washington/clinton insiders to Obama hiring people with no experience.
If he thinks the guy is good for the job, what does it matter?
In case anyone is wondering, this is where the talking point switches from Obama hiring washington/clinton insiders to Obama hiring people with no experience.
If he thinks the guy is good for the job, what does it matter?
| what_now
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2009-02-05 01:03:51 PM |
We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers.
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
| KaponoFor3
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2009-02-05 01:07:16 PM |
PurplePimpSaber: Old Age != wisdom, experience, intelligence, etc.
Of course it doesn't. But I have to wonder whether or not appointing someone who is 26 to a very high and powerful position is the wisest move, or if more unlikely, he is just rewarding one of his buddies that headed his religious outreach programs as a Senator and on the campaign trial with a cush job.
bulldg4life: In case anyone is wondering, this is where the talking point switches from Obama hiring washington/clinton insiders to Obama hiring people with no experience.
I don't spout talking points, sorry to burst your bubble. You should know that. I'm just literally shocked that a 26 year old dude has such a high position.
It's either really impressive, really stupid, or really a back scratching move (or some combination of the three)
Of course it doesn't. But I have to wonder whether or not appointing someone who is 26 to a very high and powerful position is the wisest move, or if more unlikely, he is just rewarding one of his buddies that headed his religious outreach programs as a Senator and on the campaign trial with a cush job.
bulldg4life: In case anyone is wondering, this is where the talking point switches from Obama hiring washington/clinton insiders to Obama hiring people with no experience.
I don't spout talking points, sorry to burst your bubble. You should know that. I'm just literally shocked that a 26 year old dude has such a high position.
It's either really impressive, really stupid, or really a back scratching move (or some combination of the three)
| Dude Here | 2009-02-05 01:07:52 PM |
what_now: We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers.
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
And then suck it some more
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
And then suck it some more
| bulldg4life
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2009-02-05 01:09:41 PM |
KaponoFor3: I don't spout talking points, sorry to burst your bubble. You should know that. I'm just literally shocked that a 26 year old dude has such a high position.
It's either really impressive, really stupid, or really a back scratching move (or some combination of the three)
Well, it says the guy worked on his campaign. So, I would assume it is something like "I know him and he did a good job on my campaign and I feel he would be able to run this group how I want".
It's either really impressive, really stupid, or really a back scratching move (or some combination of the three)
Well, it says the guy worked on his campaign. So, I would assume it is something like "I know him and he did a good job on my campaign and I feel he would be able to run this group how I want".
| WaltzingMathilda
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2009-02-05 01:11:05 PM |
Dude Here: what_now: We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers.
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
And then suck it some more
well ... did he cum or what?
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
And then suck it some more
well ... did he cum or what?
| Yanks_RSJ | 2009-02-05 01:13:31 PM |
How about just getting rid of the office and crossing that part out of the budget?
| tallguywithglasseson
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2009-02-05 01:16:01 PM |
"The goal of this office will not be to favor one religious group over another -- or even religious groups over secular groups," Obama said. "It will simply be to work on behalf of those organizations that want to work on behalf of our communities, and to do so without blurring the line that our founders wisely drew between church and state."
| Diogenes
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2009-02-05 01:16:14 PM |
Oh noes! Inclusivity! What's this country turning into?!
| ADDDAddy
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2009-02-05 01:16:35 PM |
Why is this asinine? Oh, that's right; because I, as a non-believer, do not possess Christian "values" and "morals". I am an amoral egoist serving only my whims and heathen habits and incapable of helping my fellow man.
| Obdicut
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2009-02-05 01:18:24 PM |
KaponoFor3: I don't spout talking points, sorry to burst your bubble. You should know that. I'm just literally shocked that a 26 year old dude has such a high position.
It's either really impressive, really stupid, or really a back scratching move (or some combination of the three)
Head-scratching.
I've seen more old people make mistakes because of age, than I have see young people make mistakes because of youth. Post the age of 20, that is.
It's either really impressive, really stupid, or really a back scratching move (or some combination of the three)
Head-scratching.
I've seen more old people make mistakes because of age, than I have see young people make mistakes because of youth. Post the age of 20, that is.
| Last One Left
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2009-02-05 01:20:10 PM |
KaponoFor3: Wait, seriously? They are letting a 26 year old head a government agency?!
The good newser is that he's 26 and a pastor, so he probably doesn't have hundreds of thousands in undeclared taxes.
The good newser is that he's 26 and a pastor, so he probably doesn't have hundreds of thousands in undeclared taxes.
| Last One Left
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2009-02-05 01:21:12 PM |
| lunchinlewis
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2009-02-05 01:22:44 PM |
| Diogenes
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2009-02-05 01:24:58 PM |
Yanks_RSJ: How about just getting rid of the office and crossing that part out of the budget?
The idea is that if we can marshal their resources, it's more cost-effective than direct aid.
The idea is that if we can marshal their resources, it's more cost-effective than direct aid.
| pwhp_67 | 2009-02-05 01:27:02 PM |
tallguywithglasseson: "The goal of this office will not be to favor one religious group over another -- or even religious groups over secular groups," Obama said. "It will simply be to work on behalf of those organizations that want to work on behalf of our communities, and to do so without blurring the line that our founders wisely drew between church and state."
I think I have something in my eye...
"The goal of this office will not be to favor one religious group over another -- or even religious groups over secular groups," Obama said. "It will simply be to work on behalf of those organizations that want to work on behalf of our communities, and to do so without blurring the line that our founders wisely drew between church and state."
I think I have something in my eye...
"The goal of this office will not be to favor one religious group over another -- or even religious groups over secular groups," Obama said. "It will simply be to work on behalf of those organizations that want to work on behalf of our communities, and to do so without blurring the line that our founders wisely drew between church and state."
| what_now
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2009-02-05 01:28:11 PM |
Yanks_RSJ: ow about just getting rid of the office and crossing that part out of the budget?
Because a lot of churches do a lot of charitable work. Not *all* religious people fly planes into buildings, murder doctors, or shell Palestinians.
The problem with Bush was that he didn't recognize that charity could also come from people who were not associated with a church group.
This is a good solution: Give grants to the people doing the work regardless of their beliefs.
Because a lot of churches do a lot of charitable work. Not *all* religious people fly planes into buildings, murder doctors, or shell Palestinians.
The problem with Bush was that he didn't recognize that charity could also come from people who were not associated with a church group.
This is a good solution: Give grants to the people doing the work regardless of their beliefs.
| Diogenes
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2009-02-05 01:31:29 PM |
what_now: The problem with Bush was that he didn't recognize that charity could also come from people who were not associated with a church group.
And as with many other things in his administration, there was no oversight or accountability.
And as with many other things in his administration, there was no oversight or accountability.
| Mordant
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2009-02-05 01:34:52 PM |
lunchinlewis: Lundah: Nice try though, trollmitter.
I don't really see anything trollish in the headline. At all.
Let's just add an asinine tag next to your comments for a while and we'll see if you develop any complaints over time.
I don't really see anything trollish in the headline. At all.
Let's just add an asinine tag next to your comments for a while and we'll see if you develop any complaints over time.
| what_now
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2009-02-05 01:35:11 PM |
Diogenes: what_now: The problem with Bush was that he didn't recognize that charity could also come from people who were not associated with a church group.
And as with many other things in his administration, there was no oversight or accountability.
Oh, of course. When I said "the problem with Bush..." I didn't mean that this was THE problem!!
And as with many other things in his administration, there was no oversight or accountability.
Oh, of course. When I said "the problem with Bush..." I didn't mean that this was THE problem!!
| LordZorch
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2009-02-05 01:41:50 PM |
How about just getting rid of it instead?
| Barbigazi
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2009-02-05 01:47:23 PM |
WaltzingMathilda: Dude Here: what_now: We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers.
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
And then suck it some more
well ... did he cum or what?
Jesus Christ, man! There's just some things you don't talk about in public!
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
And then suck it some more
well ... did he cum or what?
Jesus Christ, man! There's just some things you don't talk about in public!
| aden_nak
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2009-02-05 01:48:33 PM |
Because charity is more charitable if you pray first?
Why should you care? If he's not EXCLUDING religious initiatives, but simply broadening the scope of the office to include those charitable organizations that aren't religiously themed, that's a good thing.
Unless, of course, you saw the OFBI as just a simple way to divert tax dollars towards religious institutions. In which case you can go fark yourself with a rusty crucifix.
Why should you care? If he's not EXCLUDING religious initiatives, but simply broadening the scope of the office to include those charitable organizations that aren't religiously themed, that's a good thing.
Unless, of course, you saw the OFBI as just a simple way to divert tax dollars towards religious institutions. In which case you can go fark yourself with a rusty crucifix.
| I_Love_Verdi
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2009-02-05 01:48:53 PM |
Obama gives me the happy feeling in my pants!
| meat0918 | 2009-02-05 01:58:59 PM |
LordZorch: How about just getting rid of it instead?
This.
I'll be happy if they at least do the following. You take government money, you have to follow government non-discrimination hiring rules for most jobs (Catholic priests and the like being an exception of course).
I wonder if I started a secular charity I could apply for some of these grants. The area I am in needs it, as it is only going to get worse as the recession deepens.
This.
I'll be happy if they at least do the following. You take government money, you have to follow government non-discrimination hiring rules for most jobs (Catholic priests and the like being an exception of course).
I wonder if I started a secular charity I could apply for some of these grants. The area I am in needs it, as it is only going to get worse as the recession deepens.
| DarnoKonrad | 2009-02-05 02:06:12 PM |
what_now: We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers.
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
As opposed to:
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God. -- George H. Bush.
That was a wonderful thing to here from President Obama. It's nice to not have your leaders treat you like a traitor to get votes.
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
As opposed to:
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God. -- George H. Bush.
That was a wonderful thing to here from President Obama. It's nice to not have your leaders treat you like a traitor to get votes.
| jjorsett | 2009-02-05 02:06:40 PM |
I thought his thing was hope-based initiatives, which is pretty close to the same thing.
| Lt. Cheese Weasel | 2009-02-05 02:09:01 PM |
what_now: We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers.
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
So can we just call this The Office of Multiple Sky Wizard Initiatives and Other Stuff for People Who Don't Know What to Believe In?
So suck it subby. Suck it hard.
So can we just call this The Office of Multiple Sky Wizard Initiatives and Other Stuff for People Who Don't Know What to Believe In?
| IXI Jim IXI
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2009-02-05 02:10:11 PM |
Do we still have to roll for it?
| flannelled fool | 2009-02-05 02:11:47 PM |
Obama is also expected to name 25 religious and secular leaders to an advisory board, including the Rev. Joel Hunter, senior pastor of Northland Church, a megachurch in Flordia; Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism.
The twenty-three other leaders, all Muslim, to be named at a later date.
Cerally, there's gotta be some hoots on that list. Wonder why FoxNews didn't get a list?
/
| Rug Doctor | 2009-02-05 02:12:36 PM |
*GASP* It's almost as if that secret Muslim believes church and state are supposed to be two separate things!
| Corvus | 2009-02-05 02:12:46 PM |
meat0918: I'll be happy if they at least do the following. You take government money, you have to follow government non-discrimination hiring rules for most jobs (Catholic priests and the like being an exception of course).
What I have read, they are going to do that.
It's like a pony every day.
I never remember a president that seemed to do so much in such a short time and made so many heads asplode on the right.
I wish they just got rid of the department and had the "faith based" groups follow the normal rules everyone else does, but put back the non-discretionary rules will be fine for now.
What I have read, they are going to do that.
It's like a pony every day.
I never remember a president that seemed to do so much in such a short time and made so many heads asplode on the right.
I wish they just got rid of the department and had the "faith based" groups follow the normal rules everyone else does, but put back the non-discretionary rules will be fine for now.
| shirtsbyeric | 2009-02-05 02:13:30 PM |
Lundah: submitter: Under Obama, the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives will now become the Office of Initiatives
Except that it won't.
FTA: "President Obama signed an executive order Thursday establishing a revamped White House Office on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships."
Nice try though, trollmitter.
So, he's letting ACORN run it?
Except that it won't.
FTA: "President Obama signed an executive order Thursday establishing a revamped White House Office on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships."
Nice try though, trollmitter.
So, he's letting ACORN run it?
| Loverboy586 | 2009-02-05 02:13:50 PM |
I think this is a great idea. It's all about equality under the law.
| Cyborg77 | 2009-02-05 02:13:53 PM |
Minipax, Miniplenty, Minitrue and Miniluv approve.
| BarrRepublican | 2009-02-05 02:15:37 PM |
Change that we atheists can choose not to believe in.
| DjangoStonereaver
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2009-02-05 02:15:41 PM |
So, are they going to go to a turn-by-turn system, a DEX-based
system, or a roll-once-per-combat system?
system, or a roll-once-per-combat system?
| ramathorn83 | 2009-02-05 02:17:54 PM |
The "Faith-Based" title should be kept. After all, there are Christians, Jews, Muslims, and people of other faiths in this country.
As for the non-believers, they have religious faith. They believe in a god, the god is called "Self".
As for the non-believers, they have religious faith. They believe in a god, the god is called "Self".
| Vanetia
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2009-02-05 02:20:57 PM |
Yanks_RSJ: How about just getting rid of the office and crossing that part out of the budget?
I agree but I do think this office can actually do some good since it's all about helping out communities and the like.
"The goal of this office will not be to favor one religious group over another -- or even religious groups over secular groups," Obama said. "It will simply be to work on behalf of those organizations that want to work on behalf of our communities, and to do so without blurring the line that our founders wisely drew between church and state."
Good.
I agree but I do think this office can actually do some good since it's all about helping out communities and the like.
"The goal of this office will not be to favor one religious group over another -- or even religious groups over secular groups," Obama said. "It will simply be to work on behalf of those organizations that want to work on behalf of our communities, and to do so without blurring the line that our founders wisely drew between church and state."
Good.
| gustakooka
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2009-02-05 02:21:47 PM |
ramathorn83: The "Faith-Based" title should be kept. After all, there are Christians, Jews, Muslims, and people of other faiths in this country.
As for the non-believers, they have religious faith. They believe in a god, the god is called "Self".
Well, that was a retarded statement. Self image has nothing to do with belief in FSM.
As for the non-believers, they have religious faith. They believe in a god, the god is called "Self".
Well, that was a retarded statement. Self image has nothing to do with belief in FSM.
| Memes Ate My Balls | 2009-02-05 02:21:55 PM |
DjangoStonereaver: So, are they going to go to a turn-by-turn system, a DEX-based
system, or a roll-once-per-combat system?
They're using Shadowrun rules because with Obama's awesome stats, you know he'll end up with multiple actions every round.
system, or a roll-once-per-combat system?
They're using Shadowrun rules because with Obama's awesome stats, you know he'll end up with multiple actions every round.
| bilbo douchebaggins | 2009-02-05 02:23:18 PM |
They said "Flordia."
It's rather appropriate....
It's rather appropriate....
| bacccc | 2009-02-05 02:23:29 PM |
In a perfect world, there would be a seperation of church from state.
/actually, in a perfect world, there would be NO church at all
//I can dream, no?
/actually, in a perfect world, there would be NO church at all
//I can dream, no?
| flannelled fool | 2009-02-05 02:24:11 PM |
Gasp! I just realized - a 26 year old Pentecostal minister is of the same faith as Sarah Palin used to be!
The horror, the horror.
Any heads asplode yet?
The horror, the horror.
Any heads asplode yet?
| TommyymmoT
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2009-02-05 02:26:08 PM |
I'm a Muslim extremist who strongly believes in faith based "initiatives", so I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies...
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