Mr Samareh shrugged off the debate in Washington over whether the Obama administration should engage with the government of Mr Ahmadi-Nejad, which could lend him credibility, or try to bypass him by seeking direct contact with the supreme leader and final decision-maker, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

"The leadership system is unified, with each one having their own responsibilities and when the government makes a decision it means it's the decision of the whole system," he said.

So perhaps we should attribute whatever Ahmadinejad says to the Khamenei then? I know that Ahmadinejad doesn't officially speak for him, but with all the wild shiat he does say, I wouldn't be surprised if he at least has tacit approval to say such things by the true rulers of the country.

KaponoFor3: So perhaps we should attribute whatever Ahmadinejad says to the Khamenei then? I know that Ahmadinejad doesn't officially speak for him, but with all the wild shiat he does say, I wouldn't be surprised if he at least has tacit approval to say such things by the true rulers of the country.

You should attribute everything Ahmandinejad says to his attempts to distract Iranians from the legitimate grievances they have against their own government.

"Kill all the Infidel Joos!!! and the Great Satan!! lalalalalalalalala"

That's the whargarble I hear coming from Assclown Ackmadinnerjacket, my mind is finely tuned to his ankle biting ways.

Bored Horde: You should attribute everything Ahmandinejad says to his attempts to distract Iranians from the legitimate grievances they have against their own government.

That's straight out of the Middle Eastern ruling authority handbook. Oh, sometimes they let the imams do the dirty work, like Saudi Arabia. "No, that's not the royal family's boot at your throat, that's the great Satan of the West, yeah, that's the ticket. Just ask my wife, Morgan Fairchild..."

I fail to see how the US can expect Iran to not try to protect itself against Israel. Israel has a long history of bombing the countries around it so Iran would be foolish not to develop a way to make Israel think twice about its aggression.

7of7: I fail to see how the US can expect Iran to not try to protect itself against Israel. Israel has a long history of bombing the countries around it so Iran would be foolish not to develop a way to make Israel think twice about its aggression.

"Israels aggression"? I guess Iran feeding arms, rockets and ammo to Hamas is considered 'friendly gestures'?

7of7: I fail to see how the US can expect Iran to not try to protect itself against Israel.

When was the last time that Israel had its agents attack Iran?

Now let's do the flip side -- when was the last time Iran had its agents attack Israel?

That should answer a lot of questions as to who should be trying to protect themselves against who.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: "Israels aggression"? I guess Iran feeding arms, rockets and ammo to Hamas is considered 'friendly gestures'?

Get back to me when we stop funding similar terrorist groups in Iran. Seriously a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

If you want to improve Iran's situation, stop the sanctions, offer them professional help to avoid nuclear accidents, and start up major trade. Countries either conduct trade or war.

KaponoFor3: When was the last time that Israel had its agents attack Iran?

It's hard to hear the doves of peace over the war drums in Israel. Really hard.

Bored Horde: Lt. Cheese Weasel: "Israels aggression"? I guess Iran feeding arms, rockets and ammo to Hamas is considered 'friendly gestures'?

Get back to me when we stop funding similar terrorist groups in Iran. Seriously a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

If you want to improve Iran's situation, stop the sanctions, offer them professional help to avoid nuclear accidents, and start up major trade. Countries either conduct trade or war.

Citation? What groups is the US funding in Iran? You pulled this completely out of your ass.

And the US and Russia both have offered to over see Irans nuclear programe, under the leadership fo the IAEA, do their uranium refining for them and Iran has said no. If you honestly think Iran is not trying to build a weapon, you're just a stupid moran.

Bored Horde: It's hard to hear the doves of peace over the war drums in Israel. Really hard.

I take it that's a "never" response.

Bored Horde: Lt. Cheese Weasel: "Israels aggression"? I guess Iran feeding arms, rockets and ammo to Hamas is considered 'friendly gestures'?

Get back to me when we stop funding similar terrorist groups in Iran. Seriously a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Yeah, I'm going to need some properly sourced, substantive, independent, factual verification on that one.

Bored Horde: Get back to me when we stop funding similar terrorist groups in Iran. Seriously a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

The US is funding pro-democracy groups in Iran, no doubt. But please inform me as to how these pro-democracy groups act anything like Hamas or Hezbollah.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: do their uranium refining for them and Iran has said no.

Here's the hitch. This gives Russia and America total control over Iran's nuclear program. Without refinement, Uranium is a toxic metal.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Citation? What groups is the US funding in Iran? You pulled this completely out of your ass.

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KaponoFor3: pro-democracy

This phrase was also used extensively in the funding of terrorist groups in South America. Learn your history.

Bored Horde: Lt. Cheese Weasel: do their uranium refining for them and Iran has said no.

Here's the hitch. This gives Russia and America total control over Iran's nuclear program. Without refinement, Uranium is a toxic metal.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Citation? What groups is the US funding in Iran? You pulled this completely out of your ass.

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There is no proof to back any of that up. 'Iran accuses the US of' is not proof. You are an imbecile.

Bored Horde: KaponoFor3: pro-democracy

This phrase was also used extensively in the funding of terrorist groups in South America. Learn your history.

Unless you are claiming that "pro-democracy" = "terrorist group" in Iran, then that is irrelevant. I can call them pro-democracy, or opposition groups, or any other names. The point is that they aren't killing innocent Iranians.

7of7: I fail to see how the US can expect Iran to not try to protect itself against Israel. Israel has a long history of bombing the countries around it so Iran would be foolish not to develop a way to make Israel think twice about its aggression.

Indeed. It's not like the Iranian government, backed by Basij-controlled marches, has not been shouting "Death to Israel" since the islamic revolution on a routine basis, that the same government didn't found, train and keeps on funding Hizbullah, sending weapons to Hamas and other terrorist groups, publishing virulently anti-Israel and anti-Semite material and other similar activities.

all of this before Israel started getting worried about their nuclear program. No siree. It's all Israel's fault.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: There is no proof to back any of that up. 'Iran accuses the US of' is not proof. You are an imbecile.

His claims were backed by Fred Burton, a former US state department counter-terrorism agent, who said: "The latest attacks inside Iran fall in line with US efforts to supply and train Iran's ethnic minorities to destabilise the Iranian regime."

Delicious crow, have some.

Bored Horde: Get back to me when we stop funding similar terrorist groups in Iran. Seriously a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

I'm sorry, when has Israel ever funded terrorist groups against Iran, or used those groups to kill Iranian nationals?

KaponoFor3: Unless you are claiming that "pro-democracy" = "terrorist group" in Iran, then that is irrelevant. I can call them pro-democracy, or opposition groups, or any other names. The point is that they aren't killing innocent Iranians.

Just like the only people that our friends in South America ever imprisoned, tortured or killed were Communist agitators, right?

Bored Horde: Lt. Cheese Weasel: There is no proof to back any of that up. 'Iran accuses the US of' is not proof. You are an imbecile.

His claims were backed by Fred Burton, a former US state department counter-terrorism agent, who said: "The latest attacks inside Iran fall in line with US efforts to supply and train Iran's ethnic minorities to destabilise the Iranian regime."

Delicious crow, have some.

That is his opinion!!! What kind of idiot are you?

Where is your proof? You know, FACTS? EVIDENCE?

Delicious foot, eat it.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Where is your proof? You know, FACTS? EVIDENCE?

Delicious foot, eat it.

What do you want? Me to print off some classified CIA documents saying "FUNDS ALLOCATED TO SUPPORTING TERRORISM IN IRAN"? I'm not sure why I'm bothering here, I could hand deliver a memo signed by the director of the CIA approving these actions to you and you'd preach that it was a fake, photoshop or secret muslin.

Bored Horde: Just like the only people that our friends in South America ever imprisoned, tortured or killed were Communist agitators, right?

Bored Horde: What do you want?

Proofs that back up your claims, that's all.

Dear Iranian "government",

You are not that important. Even if you do manage to get your nookular program to the point where ours was in 1945, we'll still outnumber you 12,000 to 1 on warheads. Further, if you try any shenanigans, we'll nuke your sorry asses, which I'm sure your people would really appreciate. Didn't you watch Jericho? The premise was our own crazy right wingers nuked our own cities, and your country still was bombed to the stone age. Imagine what would happen if we had anything approaching proof of your misdeeds. And it's not like you'd have a whole lot of sympathy out there...the Sunnis regimes of the area would much rather get in bed with Israel than you choads. Think about that for a minute. And if you're expecting the Europeans, Russians or Chinese to save your asses? HA! That's the sucker bet of all time.

Besides, your people detest your sorry asses, and it's only a matter of time before they get sick enough of your bullshiat to put your backs to the wall on the business end of a rifle. So go on, keep it up with the nookular BS, and keep neglecting your economy. How's that brain drain working for you guys? Keep sending us your best and brightest. They're doing just fine over here, making real contributions to OUR economy. Not yours. The day of reckoning is coming for you douchewads. And I'll enjoy watching it happen.

Love,

SVX

Bored Horde: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Where is your proof? You know, FACTS? EVIDENCE?

Delicious foot, eat it.

What do you want? Me to print off some classified CIA documents saying "FUNDS ALLOCATED TO SUPPORTING TERRORISM IN IRAN"? I'm not sure why I'm bothering here, I could hand deliver a memo signed by the director of the CIA approving these actions to you and you'd preach that it was a fake, photoshop or secret muslin.

Man, do I feel sorry for you. Certainly anyone would question evidence you provided. You've already proven you're willing to believe anything and anyone you read as fact because it validates your myopic understanding of the world and go so far as to preach it as gospel in public. Waterheads like you have no clue what it means to be informed.

KaponoFor3: When was the last time that Israel had its agents attack Iran?

I never said anything about Israeli "agents" attacking Iran. Israel itself has repeatedly threatened to bomb Iranian targets and has followed through on similar threats against the Syrians. Those two countries have every right to be afraid that the rogue state in their midst will attack them.

7of7: Those two countries have every right to be afraid that the rogue state in their midst will attack them.

I love the fact that in your head, between Iran, Syria and Israel, Israel is the rogue state.

Tatsuma: 7of7: Those two countries have every right to be afraid that the rogue state in their midst will attack them.

I love the fact that in your head, between Iran, Syria and Israel, Israel is the rogue state.

Amazing. Isn't it? Funny what too many thai sticks can do to the brain

7of7: I fail to see how the US can expect Iran to not try to protect itself against Israel. Israel has a long history of bombing the countries around it so Iran would be foolish not to develop a way to make Israel think twice about its aggression.

Don't you have a PS3 thread to be in, gamerboy? Go do that and leave these threads to the adults, spanky. Ok?

KaponoFor3: 7of7: I fail to see how the US can expect Iran to not try to protect itself against Israel.

When was the last time that Israel had its agents attack Iran?

Now let's do the flip side -- when was the last time Iran had its agents attack Israel?

That should answer a lot of questions as to who should be trying to protect themselves against who.

Nuh uh. Israel is the aggressor because Bush likes Israel, and since Bush is the anti-Elvis, Israel MUST be the bad guy.

wackjob thread.

Man, the unicorn bit is really, really tired.

Who's bright idea was it to attempt to talk to these idiots?

Iran has the upper hand here. We can either accept the facts they will soon have nukes, we can starve their people through sanctions (the leadership will eat well and blame the US), or we can attack.

Obama has left the option of attacking Iran on the table, but realistically he probably won't do it as we are too broke to fight another Mid-East war.

The final option is Israel attacking Iran, but I think that the whole of the Middle-East would go bananas at that point.

LibertyFirst: The final option is Israel attacking Iran, but I think that the whole of the Middle-East would go bananas at that point.

The arab street maybe, but the rest of the Sunni world would be backslapping Israel behind close doors. They fear an Iran with nuclear bombs much more than they hate Israel.

They do have that right. Nobody can honestly argue that they don't.

LibertyFirst: Iran has the upper hand here. We can either accept the facts they will soon have nukes, we can starve their people through sanctions (the leadership will eat well and blame the US), or we can attack.

You are ignoring option 4: we do nothing and we let Israel make a go at it.

Or option 5: we covertly destroy their nuclear program, something we may already be doing:

Reports have surfaced in the past few years of attempts by the CIA and Mossad to quietly sabotage Iran's nuclear programme. One, codenamed Operation Merlin, involved fake blueprints for a nuclear warhead, but the operation was bungled. Britain's MI6 may also have been involved in secret "counter-proliferation" efforts.

Tatsuma: The arab street maybe, but the rest of the Sunni world would be backslapping Israel behind close doors.

Absolutely. The only thing that the Sunnis and the Shiites hate more than the Jews is each other.

Obama has said he is opposed to a nuclear Iran.

I do not think he will back down.

Oh I'm so sure the CIA is not supporting terrorist groups in Iran. That would be a violation of international law.

I don't understand why all the discussion here is about the Iranians. It's clear what their government is up to. As such, it's hardly worth mentioning.

The interesting implication here is that the ball is in Obama's court. He's made all these ostentatious statements about diplomacy and negotiation to appease his supporters, but now we get to the crux of the biscuit. It's time for him to turn rhetoric into reality, and that may prove a bit more difficult than he thought. What's he going to do, send these medieval assholes a box of chocolates? Seriously, who thinks they'll negotiate anything away?

Lt. Cheese Weasel

Man, do I feel sorry for you. Certainly anyone would question evidence you provided. You've already proven you're willing to believe anything and anyone you read as fact because it validates your myopic understanding of the world and go so far as to preach it as gospel in public. Waterheads like you have no clue what it means to be informed.

Are you, by any small chance, referring to the voters who elected President Obama?

/ducks

Nuclear power is synonmous with being a modern high-tech country. To tell Iran that it cannot have it is like telling them that they will have no real future in the world.

GaryPDX: That's the whargarble I hear coming from Assclown Ackmadinnerjacket, my mind is finely tuned to his ankle biting ways.

Intentionally mispelling his name makes you look like you really know what you're talking about.

I know it's hard for most of you whargarblers to understand but Iran does have the right to a nuclear energy program.

Good, keep talking Obama, but specifically he needs to find a voice to the great percentage of under 30 voters there who hate their leaders. They love the West and what it has to offer but the balance of power is so against them they are incapable of throwing these douches out.

Attacking them right now will only bite us back in the long term and I hope Obama keeps his focus on the talks. It is great see the leadership acknowledging the fact that in order to be a diplomat you have be diplomatic first.

Well since the United States only "dictates" to countries I guess we have to accept their terms lest we be seen as "dictating" to them

RussianPooper: Man, the unicorn bit is really, really tired.

Especially seeing that we've already received ours.

equilibrium: "I know it's hard for most of you whargarblers to understand but Iran does have the right to a nuclear energy program."

The problem, of course, is not Iran. The problem is the government of Iran.