If I could suuuuue the world...

I hope he brings the Creaky Boards with him.

so blatently obvious they stole this song...can the judge rule that all coldplay recordings be destroyed, forever erased from humanity?

I bet that, if I felt like it, I could find 8 other songs that use that simple four chord progression. As far as the vocals for Coldplay following the same melody as Satriani's lead guitar masturbation, well, meh.

As far as the vocals for Coldplay following the same melody as Satriani's lead guitar masturbation, well, meh

it follows the melody exactly...its even the same tempo. you can overlap the two songs and it fits. chord progressions are one thing, but this is blatant plagarism.

#1 It would be totally awesome to see the guy get served on the red carpet, although I sincerely doubt that it will go down like that. On stage while accepting the Grammy would be even better. "The envelope please..."

#2 It would be interesting to see what would happen in the music industry if bands had no recourse for suing other bands over their songs.

worst feud ever.


seriously, whoever wins, we all lose.

Colplay : 00's :: Huey Lewis & The News : 80's


Sure, it's fun at the time, but...you're gonna look back and think, "what the HELL was I thinking? God that sucks!"

/but at least Huey Lewis et al wore suits and looked cool, instead of wearing stupid Les Miserables-inspired red/white/yellow/black/blue rags. And Huey Lewis never wrote little stupid symbols on his hands.

//i like how in photo shoots, you can tell two of the Coldplay guys know they look like tools. The lead guy is flaunting the Les Miz look, the other guy is kinda on the fence, and the other two have that "NOT MY IDEA!" look, with a bit of the "hey man, I know I look like a tool, but all I know is I'm getting paid" look.

I didn't think circle progressions were copyrightable.

/kinda joking...

So they borrowed part of a part of a song. The rest of the song is completely different. And they added their own shiatty lyrics to it.

Satch is just looking for a payday without having to do any work.

I hope someone finds a similar sounding riff in an upcoming Chickenfoot song and sues Satriani.

Lame.

This version of Satch's "Always With Me, Always With You" is unfarkinbelievable:

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FeedTheCollapse: worst feud ever.


seriously, whoever wins, we all lose.

A-farking-men

rickythepenguin: //i like how in photo shoots, you can tell two of the Coldplay guys know they look like tools. The lead guy is flaunting the Les Miz look, the other guy is kinda on the fence, and the other two have that "NOT MY IDEA!" look, with a bit of the "hey man, I know I look like a tool, but all I know is I'm getting paid" look.

Left to right:

1) Head Douche loving and flaunting the Les Miz rags;

2) "This wasn't my idea" guy 1 (he's avoiding eye contact he's so embarassed)

3) "Nor mine either, but, hey, we're gettin' paid" guy 2

4) Kinda bought into it....kinda

It this what it's all about, Alfie? shiat, we're having lawsuits over a phrase consisting of three notes? A progression that Music Theory 101 covers sometime in about the second week of class?

/hell, just interpolate Journey's "Still They Ride" and Billy Joel's "Honesty," and this is exactly what you get.

As if I needed another reason to detest Coldplay!

At least it's easier to avoid Satriani music without really trying. I spent most of these last couple of months changing radio stations when "Viva La Boring" comes on.

If George Harrison were still alive, he'd be so fine with all this.

Some Stupid With A Flare Gun: If George Harrison were still alive, he'd be so fine with all this.

My sweet lord! I see what you did there.

eh.
coldplay is ok to listen to every once in awhile.
not the greatest, but FAR from the worst out there.

in my opinion, satriani is awful to listen to.
people say hes "technically" good, but all i hear is pretentious and boring 80s style wanking.

the fanboys are among the worst too.
GO GET EM SATCH LOL
UR TEH BEST GUITARIST EVAR!!11!!one!!
i couldnt imagine anyone but self obsessed guitarists with music theory wet dreams defending him with such fervour.

coldplay need to accept they're okay at best.
satriani needs to stop chasing a common chord progression lawsuit in hopes of a pay day.

here's a suggestion: serve the papers via bow and arrow. Everybody wins.

I always had a great respect for Satriani. I had thought that this whole suit was BS until heard the evidence layered over one another. Satriani...is going to own them.

I listened to the lay-over of the two songs, I don't think its something to sue over. Period. And I'm a music-theory wet dream guitarist fanboy myself. But I hope Coldplay is'nt making the mistake of assuming that Satriani is small change simply because he's an instrumental artist. You open any instrument catalog and you can buy almost an entire high-dollar guitar and amp rig with his name on everything. If you have an ear in guitar culture, its very plausible that Mr. Satch is just as capable of funding a legal battle as Coldplay ( maybe more? Who knows ).

At the same time, I hope Satch wins simply because Coldplay sucks.

breathe: eh.
coldplay is ok to listen to every once in awhile.
not the greatest, but FAR from the worst out there.

in my opinion, satriani is awful to listen to.
people say hes "technically" good, but all i hear is pretentious and boring 80s style wanking.

the fanboys are among the worst too.
GO GET EM SATCH LOL
UR TEH BEST GUITARIST EVAR!!11!!one!!
i couldnt imagine anyone but self obsessed guitarists with music theory wet dreams defending him with such fervour.

coldplay need to accept they're okay at best.
satriani needs to stop chasing a common chord progression lawsuit in hopes of a pay day.

I'm sure you'll create something original someday that someone else blatantly steals from you and uses to make millions and millions of dollars for themselves and you'll be perfectly fine with that.

I think Coldplay lifted that part of the song, but it's not enough for Satriani to win the case. Kinda like "Dani California" and "Mary Jane's Last Dance."

As far as musical murder goes, I think what John Legend did to Mark Knopfler in his shiatfest "I love you, love," is much more heinous, despite credit being given to MK for the sample of "Tunnel of Love."

rickythepenguin: Left to right:

1) Head Douche loving and flaunting the Les Miz rags;

2) "This wasn't my idea" guy 1 (he's avoiding eye contact he's so embarassed)

3) "Nor mine either, but, hey, we're gettin' paid" guy 2

4) Kinda bought into it....kinda

bv2112: I think Coldplay lifted that part of the song, but it's not enough for Satriani to win the case. Kinda like "Dani California" and "Mary Jane's Last Dance."

As far as musical murder goes, I think what John Legend did to Mark Knopfler in his shiatfest "I love you, love," is much more heinous, despite credit being given to MK for the sample of "Tunnel of Love."

Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but I'm pretty sure that never went to court. As in, it never came even close to going to court. Because Tom Petty said something along the lines of "There's already too many lawsuits flying around these days. Let 'em have it."

To be fair, is there a chord progression Satriani hasn't played in his never-ending attempt to be the most boring rock guitar legend ever? At least Coldplay sold a few albums with that riff, something Joe's never figured out how to do.

mooseyfate
As far as musical murder goes, I think what John Legend did to Mark Knopfler in his shiatfest "I love you, love," is much more heinous, despite credit being given to MK for the sample of "Tunnel of Love."


I've never heard of this until now.
i'm strangely intrigued AND repulsed.
at least MK got the credit for it.
must youtube it.

/ thought your post said "John Lennon" instead of "John Legend"



/ big D.S. fan.

Whamdangler: I bet that, if I felt like it, I could find 8 other songs that use that simple four chord progression. As far as the vocals for Coldplay following the same melody as Satriani's lead guitar masturbation, well, meh.

deadsanta: To be fair, is there a chord progression Satriani hasn't played in his never-ending attempt to be the most boring rock guitar legend ever? At least Coldplay sold a few albums with that riff, something Joe's never figured out how to do.

This is not based on the similarity of the chord progression, but the melody itself. The fact that it isn't in the same key would be enough to dismiss anything based on chord progressions (not that chord progressions are a valid basis to begin with). However, the melody in relation to the key is mathematically a near carbon-copy. That is why, if you choose your youtube clip wisely, you can hear a timing-perfect overdub of both songs that sounds better than either alone. NOTE: Those overdubs require "If I Could Fly" to be pitch-shifted down a perfect fourth.

It is a dick maneuver to just be playing cat and mouse. They have lawyers, just let them accept the papers and deal with it like men. Dodging them left and right makes them look like they're scared of losing their asses, and only going to make Satch angry. And when Satch gets angry, faces get melted!

bv2112: As far as musical murder goes, I think what John Legend did to Mark Knopfler in his shiatfest "I love you, love," is much more heinous, despite credit being given to MK for the sample of "Tunnel of Love."

John Legend learned from The Verve's hard lesson in giving credit for samples. The Rolling Stones cackled their way to the bank on that one!

mooseyfate

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i just listened to that song "love you love" and it was weak.
it took like a 10 second snippet from the beginning of one of my fav. guitar solos ever, and made it into a song.
what a raping and pillaging of a great song for hiphop sake.
ugh.
i'm gonna go vomit now.

drew46n2:

it follows the melody exactly...its even the same tempo. you can overlap the two songs and it fits. chord progressions are one thing, but this is blatant plagarism.

Agreed.

mooseyfate: Because Tom Petty said something along the lines of "There's already too many lawsuits flying around these days. Let 'em have it."

Nah, Tom Petty was pissed because it was obvious that they had lifted that riff from him and wouldn't admit to it. He wasn't looking to sue for money, it was more of a principle thing. He said, "The truth is, I seriously doubt that there is any negative intent there. And a lot of rock & roll songs sound alike. Ask Chuck Berry. The Strokes took 'American Girl' [for their song 'Last Nite'], and I saw an interview with them where they actually admitted it. That made me laugh out loud. I was like, 'OK, good for you.' It doesn't bother me."

Tom Petty rocks.

Third_Uncle_Eno: i just listened to that song "love you love" and it was weak.

That song has taken some of the joy I used to get when listening to "Tunnel of Love." For that, John Legend must pay.

Third_Uncle_Eno: mooseyfate

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i just listened to that song "love you love" and it was weak.
it took like a 10 second snippet from the beginning of one of my fav. guitar solos ever, and made it into a song.
what a raping and pillaging of a great song for hiphop sake.
ugh.
i'm gonna go vomit now.

Dude, I didn't post that. Get your quotation under control.

/this is why we can't have nice things

bv2112: mooseyfate: Because Tom Petty said something along the lines of "There's already too many lawsuits flying around these days. Let 'em have it."

Nah, Tom Petty was pissed because it was obvious that they had lifted that riff from him and wouldn't admit to it. He wasn't looking to sue for money, it was more of a principle thing. He said, "The truth is, I seriously doubt that there is any negative intent there. And a lot of rock & roll songs sound alike. Ask Chuck Berry. The Strokes took 'American Girl' [for their song 'Last Nite'], and I saw an interview with them where they actually admitted it. That made me laugh out loud. I was like, 'OK, good for you.' It doesn't bother me."

Tom Petty rocks.

That's it. I knew it was something along those lines. And yes, Tom Petty is cool in my book.

/I wonder if the Red Hot Chili Peppers are from California. You'd think if they were, they'd mention it in their songs or something...

bv2112: Kinda like "Dani California" and "Mary Jane's Last Dance."

Am I missing something because I've never understood how the former ripped off the latter. The RHCP song was a huge pile of suck though, so maybe I just tuned it out.

The similarity is two notes. TWO notes. Satriani doesn't stand a chance.

Why the hell would Coldplay deliberately rip off Satriani anyway? It makes no sense. Perhaps the Chewbacca defence is in order.

FeedTheCollapse: bv2112: Kinda like "Dani California" and "Mary Jane's Last Dance."

Am I missing something because I've never understood how the former ripped off the latter. The RHCP song was a huge pile of suck though, so maybe I just tuned it out.

Chord progression and general feel of the song are the same. Again, nothing Tom Petty can sue over.

danduran: The similarity is two notes. TWO notes. Satriani doesn't stand a chance.

Why the hell would Coldplay deliberately rip off Satriani anyway? It makes no sense. Perhaps the Chewbacca defence is in order.

FeedTheCollapse: bv2112: Kinda like "Dani California" and "Mary Jane's Last Dance."

Am I missing something because I've never understood how the former ripped off the latter. The RHCP song was a huge pile of suck though, so maybe I just tuned it out.

Chord progression and general feel of the song are the same. Again, nothing Tom Petty can wanted to sue over.

Y'all are making it sound like he tried and failed.

/Shoyu Weenie

So anyone have a link to the mashup of the songs. Youtube has banned it.........

I normally think this kinda stuff is bullshiat, but I think Satriani has a point. To me the melody is exactly the same.

But come on, nobody, especially pretentious British assholes, has ever heard that Satriani song before. So I also buy that it is a coincidence. Doesn't mean they shouldn't pay the man.

whoops
sorry mooseyfate

now i see that the original poster of that comment was bv2112

my bad :-(

rickythepenguin: //i like how in photo shoots, you can tell two of the Coldplay guys know they look like tools. The lead guy is flaunting the Les Miz look, the other guy is kinda on the fence, and the other two have that "NOT MY IDEA!" look, with a bit of the "hey man, I know I look like a tool, but all I know is I'm getting paid" look.

Heh.

L-R

1) Kinda bought into it guy; "hey, this isn't a *terrible* look...is it? It grows on you after awhile."
2) Head Douche, proud of his Les Miz gear
3) "Not my idea" guy 1. Again looking off camera.
4) "Me either, I know it is dumb, but....brutha gettin' PAID!!!" guy 2



L-R

1) "Dude. I KNOW. It was NOT MY IDEA!" guy 1
2) "ME EITHER! God. So stupid. I'm getting PAID, though!" guy 2
3) Head douche, solemnly rocking his Les Miz costume
4) "Mleh....I don't know....It is lame, but...meh. I guess I'm committed...I think."

rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: //i like how in photo shoots, you can tell two of the Coldplay guys know they look like tools. The lead guy is flaunting the Les Miz look, the other guy is kinda on the fence, and the other two have that "NOT MY IDEA!" look, with a bit of the "hey man, I know I look like a tool, but all I know is I'm getting paid" look.

Heh.

L-R

1) Kinda bought into it guy; "hey, this isn't a *terrible* look...is it? It grows on you after awhile."
2) Head Douche, proud of his Les Miz gear
3) "Not my idea" guy 1. Again looking off camera.
4) "Me either, I know it is dumb, but....brutha gettin' PAID!!!" guy 2



L-R

1) "Dude. I KNOW. It was NOT MY IDEA!" guy 1
2) "ME EITHER! God. So stupid. I'm getting PAID, though!" guy 2
3) Head douche, solemnly rocking his Les Miz costume
4) "Mleh....I don't know....It is lame, but...meh. I guess I'm committed...I think."

For those who would like a more in depth analysis (no understanding of music required)

Link (^)

Oh and my personal opinion, both songs suck. While I like some of the works of both artists, neither have made decent music in quite a while (personal opinion). That being said I hope satriani loses mainly because I don't want to see the doors opening up for every musician to sue each other.

For example, the chord structure etc used to Journey's "Don't stop Believing" is the same progression as over 36 popular songs. I believe Glycerine by Bush was one of them. Suing over something like this makes music nearly impossible, they aren't the same song so it should not be considered plagiarism. There are only so many existing notes that you can play, and only so many things sound good together.

ErikShocker: For those who would like a more in depth analysis (no understanding of music required)

Link (^)


Dude's guitar is reasonably out of tune considering he's a music teacher.

Both of them should be sued by Guther "Pleasureman":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XnhFR73wOs

Parts of the melody of Ne-Yo / NKOTB's "Single" is also immensely similar to both of these songs.

rickythepenguin: Colplay : 00's :: Huey Lewis & The News : 80's

Yeah, I think you're forgetting just who sued who in the Huey Lewis incident. It was Ray Parker Jr. that ripped off I Want a New Drug to write the Ghostbusters theme.