Was the obviious tag on vacation? Everyone knows this is true and they have admitted it anyway.

Wow ... way to figure out something that everyone who wasn't deaf (and more than a few people that were) had figured out by 1975.

I am shocked and appalled at this.

OK, I'm over it.

I was aware of some of those, like Dixon but it was interesting to hear those lesser-known artists

lifting music I can understand, because its a bit limiting. But lyrics? thats pretty weak. How hard was it to make up your own lyrics? or in the case of Plant, repeat "baby baby baby baby" ad nauseam

If you sufficiently improve upon the original, or alter enough to make it your own, it's just good research. Any grad student knows that

They did nothing that wasn't part and parcel of music for centuries. Also, not like all the blues that's cited is necessarily original itself. Lots of older blues, no one knows who wrote it, only know the first person to record it.

Quick! Sue every restaurant that sings happy birthday to its guests and every nursery school teacher who sings twinkle twinkle little star!

Chariset: If you sufficiently improve upon the original, or alter enough to make it your own, it's just good research. Any grad student knows that

Touch`e.

All the Zep songs linked to have already been pulled---massive fail, Subby

RosevilleDan: All the Zep songs linked to have already been pulled---massive fail, Subby

yeah... Because we all forgot: How did Stairway to heaven sounded like again?


its funny though, YouTube is slowly turning into Napster, just before they closed it and were trying to put all sorts of filters that failed

ricewater_stool: Was the obviious tag on vacation? Everyone knows this is true and they have admitted it anyway.

Uh, yeah...THIS

Also, while I like all those songs, my own Zep favorites are nowhere to be seen on that list. So I think I'll just keep on lovin' the Zep...

Hell, if you want to show what thieves Led Zeppelin were, just look at how "Dazed And Confused" got ripped from Jake Holmes without even a backwards glance.

It's not who does it first

It's who does it best.

Now ramble on

Since this is going green, I might as well add that I was listening to the Yardbirds, Cream, John Mayall and the Blues Breakers, and sundry others in the sixties, and never imagined that their music wasn't shamelessly derivative of Willie Dixon, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters and a thousand other musicians. Nor did they claim otherwise.

Music is not composed or played by people who have never heard it before.

Led Zeppelin rules!

Wow- it's so edgy and taboo to call out Zeppelin.....

Well, how are you going to buy Aleister Crowley's castle if you can't write your own songs?

I'd heard all the Zep references before, but was surprised to hear how much The Beatles "I Feel Fine" sounded like "Watch Your Step" sounds like "Moby Dick".

jimmy page also burned the band Spirit
when he lifted the beginning of Stairway to Heaven
from their song "Taurus".

uncredited.

stay classy, jimmy boy



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The first time I heard Stairway, I knew they ripped it off from the first Spirit Album, which is one of the greatest albums of that era.

As I recall, the gripe on Zep was while contemporaries, like Eric Clapton, made sure that they did pay royalties and / or helped out with the widows of some of the old bluesmens' estates, Zep was defiantly claiming they owed nobody a damn thing, and to fark off if you believed differently.

Zep basically said everyone steals so we will too, whats your farking problem.

It is interesting, George Harrison got sued and lost over that whole My Sweet Lord / He's So Fine business, but nobody ever went after Page and Plant.

This shiat again?

Not news.
Now if someone did a story on how despite this, dirty hippies STILL think Zep are musical geniuses... they'd have a real scoop on your hands.

ricewater_stool: Was the obviious tag on vacation? Everyone knows this is true and they have admitted it anyway.

Oblivious tag?

you suck subby

/learn ab how the blues works

they are musical geniuses
genii?

everybody has to build upon what has gone before
whether with or against the grain.


i don't consider inspiring to be stealing-
it's not like Zep took a sample (gasp) of someone else's song
and claimed it as their own


if yer gonna shiit on people for stealing
start now and work backwards

Led Zeppelin sucks. Period.

that's right Herunar

Led Zeppelin sucks...


*pats head*

Doncha mean they "sampled" the old songs?

/At least they could farking play.
//mm-tiss

HappyHarryHardOn: its funny though, YouTube is slowly turning into Napster, just before they closed it and were trying to put all sorts of filters that failed

I think it is the Warner Music Group who are having the things pulled. At least that is what I think WMG stands for when you click the links. They are even having the audio tracks turned off when the video is unrelated. I was watching a vid about a rare horse breed and saw the audio was disabled due to a claim by WMG.

That works against them in my book. I will now make a point to avoid giving WMG any money.

But as for Zep. I was saddened when I realized they didn't give credit when it was due. But some of the "sources" only had a hint of the Zep tunes. The original was OK but Zep made it classic. After all Luigi da Porto wrote a good story, but Shakespeare took it and wrote Romeo and Juliet.

<i>ricewater_stool 2009-01-31 06:12:36 PM
Was the obviious tag on vacation? Everyone knows this is true and they have admitted it anyway.</i>

Yep.

SOME ONE needs to contemporize.

I love the apologist fanboys in here. Sorry, you're band doesn't get a break, they were plagiarists and thieves. Suck it long, suck it hard.

BackAssward: I love the apologist fanboys in here. Sorry, you're band doesn't get a break, they were plagiarists and thieves. Suck it long, suck it hard.

"Fanboys"? You not-even-a-footnote, they were rock and roll heroes to millions, giants in their time; what you think of them now means less than this > .

No one is apologising for anything.

barefoot in the head: BackAssward: I love the apologist fanboys in here. Sorry, you're band doesn't get a break, they were plagiarists and thieves. Suck it long, suck it hard.

"Fanboys"? You not-even-a-footnote, they were rock and roll heroes to millions, giants in their time; what you think of them now means less than this > .

No one is apologising for anything.

Loves me denial in the morning, smells like victory. Like when a girlfriend cheats and the boyfriend says it was nothing, she still loves hm... pathetic. Being heroes to millions only means success in popular opinion, not superiority or any moral high ground. They were thieves, pathetic stealing losers who couldn't come up with their own shiat/hits. They had to steal their successes, and you bought into it.

Hahaha, loves me the fanboys. You sell your vinal and listen to them on your iPdos now, aging boomer? Hahahhah.

You're right about one thing though. No one is apologizing, they are rationalizing. My bad, rationalists. (moral relativity is a funny thing.... something isn't wrong as long as someone else did it too... I should godwin this, but that might be overkill).

BackAssward: Hahaha, loves me the fanboys. You sell your vinal and listen to them on your iPdos now, aging boomer? Hahahhah.

What are you drunk? Im not that big of a fan of theirs but they are a good band. You are just being a dick.

Or a shiatty troll. Either way, go away.

Gunny Highway: BackAssward: Hahaha, loves me the fanboys. You sell your vinal and listen to them on your iPdos now, aging boomer? Hahahhah.

What are you drunk? Im not that big of a fan of theirs but they are a good band. You are just being a dick.

Or a shiatty troll. Either way, go away.

I don't recall replying to you, and in fact my post was to someone else entirely. The fact you took it personally reeks of a knee jerk reaction of someone who fits the bill of what I posted. You personalized it, which means some part of you thinks you fit the portrayal and you didn't like that.

/Nice job outing your insecurity.

Gunny Highway What are you drunk?

Check the profile - INTJ. A "rules girl". Morals, propriety, order.

BackAssward: /Nice job outing your insecurity.

What the fark are you talking about? I just dont like to see people act like complete dicks. "Suck it long, suck it hard" really? Do you get enjoyment out of ripping on Zeppelin fans? You were acting like a dick and I pointed it out.

I didn't realize until now that they didn't even credit Blind Willie Johnson with "Nobody's Fault But Mine."

The 77s version at least notes "apologies to Blind Willie Johnson" in the credits.

Good ReCover (new window)

Meh. Blues is an oral tradition and the same songs get revomited out over and over again generation after next. Big deal.

Once again: Jimmy Page stole an entire song - music & lyrics - from a living white guy. The song is "Dazed & Confused." It was written by Jake Holmes and can be found on Holmes's first album, "The Above Ground Sound of Jake Holmes." I thought the Page credit on the Zep album was maybe a typo. But, no, Page just stole the song and called it his own. Holmes sort of shrugs when asked about the theft. Page is a waste product for his thievery and I have no respect for him at all. DIAF.

Well, I will attempt to make as much sense as everyone else posting here.

Led Zeppelin were, as we all know, an incredibly loud and obnoxious gay band from Surrey in Australia. Led (no pun intended) by Robert Plant and his childhood sweetheart Jimi Page they recruited John Jones and John Bon Ham from AC/DC.
Within months of their debut release in 1975 they were touring in the USA alongside INXS and Jimmy Hendrix and soon after played their first gig in England at a bar in Knebworth plugging their first (of many) single 'Babe, I'm at the Crossroads on the Killing Floor'.
Soon after their third album was released in 1982 John Bon Ham blew up when he crashed his plane into Ozzy Osbourne's tour bus, ensuring that Led Zeppelin's latest single went straight to number one all over the world and stayed there for a few months.
Jimi Page then fired Robert Plant and recruited Elton john on vocal duty, along with (a first in rock) a Roland drum machine.
Led Zeppelin then slumped commercially due to the bad reviews they got for this new line up and the lackluster reaction from fans for the new album - Stairways to Heaven.
They bounced back with Presents, a great album full of disco grooves. Sadly elton had left the band so vocals were largely omitted except those tackled by Jimi himself. Also, by this stage John Jones had left.
Jimi started the '90s by joining up with Plant again for the solo project 'PAGE'. It is rumored that Plant wanted to call the group 'PLANT' but Jimi threatened to set demons on him and won that particular battle of the egos. They released two albums as 'PAGE' - 'In through the Doors' which was a reggae tribute to the genius of Jimi Morrison, and 'The Songs Remain The Same' - a tribute to themselves wherein they cover their own songs without any embellishment, changes or reinterpretation.
Jimi then got caught with pictures of underage girls on his laptop (he claims they were of his wife, but had no idea what age she was, what the age of consent is or when these things became illegal) so he ran away to Vietnam and laid low. While in Vietnam he recorded a tribute to the local bar girls - 'Kash Mister'. To this day he lives in Vietnam and occasionally goes to China to play guitar at Olympic ceremonies.
Robert Plant moved to Nashville and plays drums in The Raconteurs.

ricewater_stool: Was the obviious tag on vacation? Everyone knows this is true and they have admitted it anyway.


They just made it better.

Phil Herup: They just made it better.

A Led Zeppelin thread: the only place on Fark someon can say the subject in question is better than any given blues legend. In any other thread they'd be paying proper respect.

Not even light can escape this suckitude.

mrEdude:

it's not like Zep took a sample (gasp) of someone else's song
and claimed it as their own




Uh, yes they did.

I play in a cover band. WOuld it be okay if we recorded all of the songs that we cover and call them our own?

No, it wouldn't.

L.Z. is way, way over-rated.

Best cover band of all time

To quote Ben Weasel, " I HATE LED ZEPPELIN!"