If it comes out that the mother doesn't have private insurance and that the public is footing her hospital bills, there's going to be hell to pay.

In the early candidate?

NightOwl2255: If it comes out that the mother doesn't have private insurance and that the public is footing her hospital bills, there's going to be hell to pay.

I don't know anything about this, but Kaiser Permanente, where these kids were hatched, isn't a gov't agency. It was my HMO once, so I'm pretty sure it isn't a charity.

There should be a law against this crap. If you already have 6 kids, you don't need in vitro fertilization to have more.

Good Lord, leave this woman alone. It's like watching the circling fins. Having eight kids when you already have six may be poor judgment, but we don't know that she won't be able to support them. Get her a social worker and butt out for five years until we see how the kids are doing.

Chariset: but we don't know that she won't be able to support them

She lives with her parents and her dad is buying a new house for all of them. I think it's safe to assume she isn't supporting them.

In a few minutes someone will come along to say "What no
pic?"

Now they won't have to.

And seriously, if she can afford to have in vitro, she ought to be able to afford to feed them.

Chariset: Having eight kids when you already have six may be poor judgment, but we don't know that she won't be able to support them.

The father (aka sperm donor) is nowhere in sight. You think she's going to get a job and pay for daycare, food, clothing, shelter, etc. for her 14 kids? She'd better get a job with a damn good salary.

Or is it perhaps more likely that she will because a career welfare case, fully supported by the taxpayers?

Wow. Media and public opinion about this story have really turned quickly.

No cute reality shows and quarterly Today Show updates for this one.

Epsilon: Or is it perhaps more likely that she will because a career welfare case, fully supported by the taxpayers?

The probability is high. Serial pregnancy isn't a sign of great intelligence. But IVF doesn't come cheap either. We just don't know about her financial circumstances or those of her parents. And until we do, there's no use in speculating.

On the other hand, I hope the state gets her a social worker, perhaps a service coordinator, and discourages her from having more children.

Earguy: Wow. Media and public opinion about this story have really turned quickly.

No cute reality shows and quarterly Today Show updates for this one.

Yeah. Everyone realized she's farking retarded.

SomeoneDumb: I don't know anything about this, but Kaiser Permanente, where these kids were hatched, isn't a gov't agency. It was my HMO once, so I'm pretty sure it isn't a charity.

She fronted to Kaiser hospital in her second trimester. Some private clinic did the fertility treatment.

The private clinic needs to be shut down and the doctor(s) who treated her there need to be barred. What they did was unethical and irresponsible, and downright dangerous for mother, newborns, and her existing family. Unfortunately it was probably immensely profitable, and so nothing will change.

/How is this whole 'for profit' healthcare working out again?

Tr0mBoNe: Earguy: Wow. Media and public opinion about this story have really turned quickly.

No cute reality shows and quarterly Today Show updates for this one.

Yeah. Everyone realized she's farking retarded.

this.

This sort of thing is cruel to the children involved.

Earguy: Wow. Media and public opinion about this story have really turned quickly.

No cute reality shows and quarterly Today Show updates for this one.

Yeah.

For the kids' sake, hopefully the coverage can spark a debate about some of the ethical issues involved without dragging the family through the news. They didn't choose their mom.

Still though, I suppose when you're one of 14 with 8 simultaneous births, there's no way of avoiding everyone knowing just what family they are now.

14 kids is fairly unusual, certainly not unheard of by any means (particularly among the religious) but usually they're normal conception and happen one at a time (or perhaps twins on occasion) so they're more spread out and the older can help mind the younger, and usually there are two parents.

Single mom with 14 kids, fact is probably her getting welfare and staying home is the CHEAPEST solution as far as aid goes - unless she continues to live with her own parents and they mind the kids while she works. Childcare by a non-relative is insanely expensive (which is why for normal families with tons of kids it's usually most economical for one parent to stay home and do serious homemaking).

I AM amazed that they transferred 8 embryos. Some other article said they were her own frozen "snowflake babies" and she didn't want to destroy them, but you'd think even if she was going to try having them she'd do it in smaller groups? PARTICULARLY if she made it known she's someone who will never abort?

But then someone in another thread suggested that people try implanting the things "off cycle" thinking if they die naturally/fail to implant, then it doesn't count as destroying them (which seems silly overkill to me, but then I'm not a pro-lifer, so I guess if it's an ethical loophole that works for them, go for it). I wonder if she did this but they took? Or, if she's addicted to pregnancy as some sites say, she maybe wanted it... who knows.

Anyway, if it starts conversations around some issues of IVF, it's interesting and cool, but yeah, I don't need to see pics of the family all over the news. Let the issue be discussed in the abstract.

Why isn't that considered welfare abuse? There isn't a single chance in hell that her, or her parents, are paying for the health care of her litter.

The cost would be astronomical, even if her parents are very well off.

Talon: This sort of thing is cruel to the children involved.

Very cruel. They're gonna be treated like carnival freaks the entire time they're growing up.

NightOwl2255: If it comes out that the mother doesn't have private insurance and that the public is footing her hospital bills, there's going to be hell to pay.

Well, she did declare bankruptcy and lost a house 18 months ago. Reportedly, she is living with her parents.

You are NOT getting your own reality show.

And-1: The private clinic needs to be shut down and the doctor(s) who treated her there need to be barred. What they did was unethical and irresponsible, and downright dangerous for mother, newborns, and her existing family. Unfortunately it was probably immensely profitable, and so nothing will change.

/How is this whole 'for profit' healthcare working out again?

Every doctor - and believe me, I know many - I know is appalled by this and thinks the doctor's license should be suspended. Go grind your "I want my gubmint healthcare cuz I spent all my money on a PS3" somewhere else, deadbeat.

Nabb1: Every doctor - and believe me, I know many - I know is appalled by this and thinks the doctor's license should be suspended. Go grind your "I want my gubmint healthcare cuz I spent all my money on a PS3" somewhere else, deadbeat.

I started going to a new dentist who spends much of the money received on making the office much more user friendly. They have TVs in the ceiling, massage chairs, and satellite radio for your use while you get your cleaning. I also think they recruit their hygienists at modelling agencies.

Tr0mBoNe: I started going to a new dentist who spends much of the money received on making the office much more user friendly. They have TVs in the ceiling, massage chairs, and satellite radio for your use while you get your cleaning. I also think they recruit their hygienists at modelling agencies.

I'd go there, and I pay for my dental care out of my own pocket.

She tampered in God's domain.

A lot of these psychotic breeders inhabit this site here. (new window)

Time to rip out that uterus. Hang it on the delivery room wall...like a retired jersey in a stadium.

She's a crazy cat lady but with kids.

So some chick can has 14 kids, but I cannot has marijuana to get me through the day? Farking Bullshiiiit, I say.

I think we can compromise here. Let's not biatch about her having 14 kids. But in return, she and all the vagtastic slicky-slide offspring should be fitted with GPS tracking so we can know when they go to the movies/restaurants/doctor, etc.

Chariset: Good Lord, leave this woman alone. It's like watching the circling fins. Having eight kids when you already have six may be poor judgment, but we don't know that she won't be able to support them. Get her a social worker and butt out for five years until we see how the kids are doing.

Do you have kids? Any idea what having 6 is like, much less 14? It's not just about support, it's also about the quality of life for these kids.

I'm waiting for the follow-up story where the sperm donor is identified and sued for child support.

This story just gets funnier and funnier. And this lady is a headcase.

There oughta be a law.

Simple as that.

she implanted all 8 embryos because they were left over from the previous IV treatments and she didn't want to destroy them.
If she didn't want to destroy them, they can be preserved or donated to someone else. The clinic should have told her about this.
i read a different article that said she didn't want 8 babies, she wanted one more girl, but they implanted all 8 and all 8 of them took.
someone asked her how she could go back to school full time and have all these treatments, and she said she "got paid" to receive the treatments.
which is either a lie because she's crazy, or some clinic farked up.
She's obsessed with having children, not necessarily with raising them on her own. Her mother said that the woman cannot have children on her own, so she had to get the treatment.
This is farked up...

How the heck do people like this find doctors willing to help them?

Chariset: Epsilon: Or is it perhaps more likely that she will because a career welfare case, fully supported by the taxpayers?

The probability is high. Serial pregnancy isn't a sign of great intelligence. But IVF doesn't come cheap either. We just don't know about her financial circumstances or those of her parents. And until we do, there's no use in speculating.

On the other hand, I hope the state gets her a social worker, perhaps a service coordinator, and discourages her from having more children.

We know she has 6 previous children, that her parents have supported their daughter and grandchildren to the point of losing their own home, that they are ALL living in a 3 bedroom house -- well, grandpa is going to Iraq for work -- and that dad is not in the picture (either because he is a donor or ran as fast as he could).

I'd say we can assume a major FAIL given those points.

/feels for the children
//they didn't ask for this
///*sighs*

Chariset: Good Lord, leave this woman alone. It's like watching the circling fins. Having eight kids when you already have six may be poor judgment, but we don't know that she won't be able to support them. Get her a social worker and butt out for five years until we see how the kids are doing.

1/14

In this case I think it really is a clown car.

She shouldn't get any welfare. Let People magazine or the national Enquirer or whoever support them for the rights to photos and such.

MC O'Brien: So some chick can has 14 kids, but I cannot has marijuana to get me through the day? Farking Bullshiiiit, I say.

Duh. Didn't you get the memo? "Bodily autonomy" only applies to the uterus.

Chariset: On the other hand, I hope the state gets her a social worker, perhaps a service coordinator, and discourages her from having more children.

THE STATE shouldn't spent one red cent on this waste of raw materials.

Want a bunch of kids?
Adopt.

Epsilon: The father (aka sperm donor) is nowhere in sight. You think she's going to get a job and pay for daycare, food, clothing, shelter, etc. for her 14 kids? She'd better get a job with a damn good salary.

Or is it perhaps more likely that she will because a career welfare case, fully supported by the taxpayers?

According to news reports, all 14 births have involved the same sperm donor (no father). The sperm donor is reported to be in law enforcement and his wife has no knowledge of his involvement in any of the births.

And yes, it certainly sounds like she is/will be a career welfare case. Bankruptcy, home foreclosure in the past 18 months, now living in a 1,500 square foot house with her mother and father. 17 people living in a 1,500 square foot house. ouch.

Disgusting on so many levels.

Clearly she needs to be institutionalized and her children put in adoptive homes.

And the doctor needs to be in jail.

That's all there is to it, really.

She said that raising 14 children "was going to be difficult."

Ya don't say!
Farkin understatement of the year!

When you have 14 kids the natural way like the Duggars, you only have a couple in diapers and you have a couple of teenagers that can help care for the little ones and there are a couple of tweens that can basically care for themselves.

This woman has a much tougher situation.

Hey, everybody needs a hobby.

The docs who did this should have their licenses revoked. Send a message to other doctors who think its "cute" that mommies can have their own puppy mill.

The physician who approved and/or supervised this atrocity should have a lot of fast talking to do at the next ethics board meeting.

I feel sorry for her oldest child.