Boston's finest, in the era of Mayor Mumbles?! Impossible!

3rd Amendment.

Let me show it to Boston.

Sounds like they thought it was a FISA (p) case.

Yet more of these 'good' cops I keep hearing about, Right?

Wow, and I thought at least the 3rd amendment would last even as the others fell.

SchlingFocker: 3rd Amendment.

Let me show it to Boston.

Came here to say that, it's so rare you get to plead the 3rd.

They were just taxing the fatties who lived there.

/Wrong masshole thread?

Patriot Act? You won't miss the Fourth Amendment. It's like it was never there.

/WTF?....Does NOT approve.

yakov smith says "in fascist America you serve police!"

Apparently, they found a Lite-brite in the apartment.

From the article's description of events, it looks like the decision to get the warrant came much earlier than that, but it takes a long time to get. I hope the idiot cops didn't compromise the investigation by hanging around inside, since it sounds like this guy might be a murdering dirtbag who deserves to be convicted.

Wow. And to think this happened in Massachusetts, the state run by Democrats for 100 years and one of the most liberal/leftist states in the Union. You'd almost think there was something about leftism that tilted toward totalitarianism.

Headso: yakov smith

Smith? heh

Evidence excluded in the criminal trial, plus a civil suit.
Boston's "finest" indeed.

TheGreatGildersleeve: Wow. And to think this happened in Massachusetts, the state run by Democrats for 100 years and one of the most liberal/leftist states in the Union. You'd almost think there was something about leftism that tilted toward totalitarianism.

I hope you get cancer

Oink Oink.

What constitutional rights? The constitution is nothing but a piece of paper. I wipe my ass with paper.

TheGreatGildersleeve: Wow. And to think this happened in Massachusetts because of cops, You'd almost think there was something about leftism police that tilted toward totalitarianism.

jjorsett: From the article's description of events, it looks like the decision to get the warrant came much earlier than that, but it takes a long time to get. I hope the idiot cops didn't compromise the investigation by hanging around inside, since it sounds like this guy might be a murdering dirtbag who deserves to be convicted.

The very presence of the cops in that house taints the evidence.

TheGreatGildersleeve: Wow. And to think this happened in Massachusetts, the state run by Democrats for 100 years and one of the most liberal/leftist states in the Union. You'd almost think there was something about leftism that tilted toward totalitarianism.

Fairly decent trollage there. Perhaps 7/10?

I believe I have discovered the root of the problem. Apparently, Boston has been hiring morons and giving them police badges.

jjorsett: From the article's description of events, it looks like the decision to get the warrant came much earlier than that, but it takes a long time to get.

FTFA:
Former prosecutors and defense lawyers said it is unusual to take so long to obtain a search warrant. Police only need to provide probable cause to persuade a judge or magistrate to issue a search warrant, they said. Most warrants are issued within hours.

i bet this is even worse than it looks...law enforcement is probably abuzz about the recent Supreme Court decision that guts the Exclusionary Rule (see today's New York Times)...i'm pretty sure many PD's will start doing crap like this on the bet that by the time someone tries to make a Federal case out of anything, SCOTUS will have stripped away the last remaining protections anyway...

That's gonna totally screw their murder case. There's no way to do chain of custody for anything in there if officers were in the home for two days before the search warrant was issued and executed. These cops may well have just let a murderer walk... good farking jorb, a-holes.

Screw this shiat. I'm going to start my own country, with hookers and blackjack.

In fact, forget the blackjack.

Boston cops = Mafiosi with uniforms.
Filthy rotten pigs.

fredklein: jjorsett: From the article's description of events, it looks like the decision to get the warrant came much earlier than that, but it takes a long time to get.

FTFA:
Former prosecutors and defense lawyers said it is unusual to take so long to obtain a search warrant. Police only need to provide probable cause to persuade a judge or magistrate to issue a search warrant, they said. Most warrants are issued within hours.

Also FTFA:

"We apologize to Ms. Jamison for any inconvenience that our presence may have caused," she said. "The legal process required to execute a search warrant can take anywhere from an hour to a couple days. It is our goal to be as expeditious as possible, but being thorough is more important."

In every statistical sample, you're going to have outliers, and this may have been one of those. If there was misconduct or violation of procedure, you can bet the defense is going to find it and exploit it, so if the cops are lying about the warrant, it'll be known.

penis_gourd: i bet this is even worse than it looks...law enforcement is probably abuzz about the recent Supreme Court decision that guts the Exclusionary Rule (see today's New York Times)...i'm pretty sure many PD's will start doing crap like this on the bet that by the time someone tries to make a Federal case out of anything, SCOTUS will have stripped away the last remaining protections anyway...

The thing is that the exclusionary rule in the SCOTUS case was dropped for cases where there wasn't willful intent to circumvent the laws. The judges were trying to say (I disagree with them vehemently) that the prosecution of a case shouldn't be hindered by unintentional and minor violations of process. In this case though, it's hard to imagine how one could sit in the house for two days without willful intent, and harder still to imagine how these cops would be able to establish a chain of custody. Aside from that, as a juror, I would give no weight at all to evidence found in the house after officers had two full days with no witnesses to plant stuff before executing the search warrant.

firefly212: That's gonna totally screw their murder case. There's no way to do chain of custody for anything in there if officers were in the home for two days before the search warrant was issued and executed. These cops may well have just let a murderer walk... good farking jorb, a-holes.

Nah, they'll just make something up and it'll be cool. It's not like we're really a nation of laws anymore.

jcooli09: jjorsett: From the article's description of events, it looks like the decision to get the warrant came much earlier than that, but it takes a long time to get. I hope the idiot cops didn't compromise the investigation by hanging around inside, since it sounds like this guy might be a murdering dirtbag who deserves to be convicted.

The very presence of the cops in that house taints the evidence.

Exactly... cops are supposed to clear the house, make sure nobody is inside, make sure the house is safe to close (no stoves left on, candles burning, etc.), get out, and guard the house so nobody can taint the evidence or mess with the chain of custody.

"No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

A couple of the rules those that govern us must abide by.

fredklein: Yet more of these 'good' cops I keep hearing about, Right?

FTA: Hudson said he was at the apartment for three hours Tuesday night and saw officers going inside several times, locking the door behind them. One young patrolman refused to go inside, saying he believed he should stand guard at the door, Hudson said.

"I told him, 'You're the only one getting it right,' " Hudson
said.

Well, at least the whole Boston PD isn't a buch of corrupt asswipes. Although, I bet if the kid was called to testify, he would happily explain that he and his buddies were ALL outside the house, and no one went in.

Because protecting your wrongdoing buddies is more important that upholding the law in Copworld.

devildog123: fredklein: Yet more of these 'good' cops I keep hearing about, Right?

FTA: Hudson said he was at the apartment for three hours Tuesday night and saw officers going inside several times, locking the door behind them. One young patrolman refused to go inside, saying he believed he should stand guard at the door, Hudson said.

"I told him, 'You're the only one getting it right,' " Hudson
said.

Well, at least the whole Boston PD isn't a buch of corrupt asswipes. Although, I bet if the kid was called to testify, he would happily explain that he and his buddies were ALL outside the house, and no one went in.

Because protecting your wrongdoing buddies is more important that upholding the law in Copworld.

Eh, given the witnesses and duration, I think it would turn on his friends... though cops do like to cover for eachother all the time, when the stakes are high, they do like everyone else and cover their own ass first.

firefly212: penis_gourd: i bet this is even worse than it looks...law enforcement is probably abuzz about the recent Supreme Court decision that guts the Exclusionary Rule (see today's New York Times)...i'm pretty sure many PD's will start doing crap like this on the bet that by the time someone tries to make a Federal case out of anything, SCOTUS will have stripped away the last remaining protections anyway...

The thing is that the exclusionary rule in the SCOTUS case was dropped for cases where there wasn't willful intent to circumvent the laws. The judges were trying to say (I disagree with them vehemently) that the prosecution of a case shouldn't be hindered by unintentional and minor violations of process. In this case though, it's hard to imagine how one could sit in the house for two days without willful intent, and harder still to imagine how these cops would be able to establish a chain of custody. Aside from that, as a juror, I would give no weight at all to evidence found in the house after officers had two full days with no witnesses to plant stuff before executing the search warrant.

all fair points, but apparently that case is just the latest to help Roberts with his expressly desired goal of gutting the Exclusionary Rule more severely. hell, even in this particular case i could envision a Roberts or Alito opinion giving police/law enforcement the benefit of the doubt in the, oh let's imagine the wording, "in the absence of any incriminating evidence to the contrary..." or some such.

ironically, of the four conservative Justices, i imagine Scalia would have the most problem with such reasoning...i bet he'd join such an opinion anyway tho, if some minor semantic caveats were added.

Well, thanks to the Supreme Court all these guys need to do is say, "we thought we had one" and everything's kosher. They can even use the evidence they found.

And I bet that one "good egg" is going to get his ass beat down in the locker room.

The donuts were very hard to find.

jjorsett: From the article's description of events, it looks like the decision to get the warrant came much earlier than that, but it takes a long time to get. I hope the idiot cops didn't compromise the investigation by hanging around inside, since it sounds like this guy might be a murdering dirtbag who deserves to be convicted.

The defense attorney will be on this like stink on shiat..At this point, anything they 'find' in the apartment will be perceived as an evidence corruption. This situation stinks from all sides: the cops screwed this one up by obviously violating civil rights in so that an accused murderer may walk away from all charges..

/I'll say it one more time: Frodo lost the ring and now the stupid possess it.

TheGreatGildersleeve: Wow. And to think this happened in Massachusetts, the state run by Democrats for 100 years and one of the most liberal/leftist states in the Union. You'd almost think there was something about leftism that tilted toward totalitarianism.

But the same idea runs true for the right. Power corrupts.

TheGreatGildersleeve: Wow. And to think this happened in Massachusetts, the state run by Democrats for 100 years and one of the most liberal/leftist states in the Union. You'd almost think there was something about leftism power that tilted toward totalitarianism.

Lefties, righties, whatever. They'll all go totalitarian if given the chance.

TheGreatGildersleeve: Wow. And to think this happened in Massachusetts, the state run by Democrats for 100 years and one of the most liberal/leftist states in the Union. You'd almost think there was something about leftism that tilted toward totalitarianism.

You know who else likes to take over homes without due process...

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/THREAD JACK!!!!!
//Apparently, it IS happening here
///the line between the civilian police and the military is blurring
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Too bad none of this matters. The shooters were arrested fleeing the scene, there is no reason to believe any significant evience existed at the house.

jjorsett: In every statistical sample, you're going to have outliers, and this may have been one of those.

It's ALWAYS one of those, isn't it? No matter how bad cops act, it's "just one isolated incident". They keep saying that... right up until the next "isolated incident".

/How many times does it need to happen before it's no longer an "isolated incident"?
//I think we passed that number a long time ago.

The great american experiment is over with. It was fun while it lasted.

inthrees: Screw this shiat. I'm going to start my own country, with hookers and blackjack.

In fact, forget the blackjack.

I would like to apply for citizenship.

All cops are corrupt. So what else is new?

OH! This sounds like we get to use the third ammendment for ONCE!

I know, actually no, but the poor ol' third gets so little press.